r/JewsOfConscience • u/Gotcha2500 Palestinian • Oct 10 '24

Activism Israel has kidnapped and beaten Jewish American Journalist in the West Bank

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u/ImNotRealTakeYorMeds Oct 10 '24

Israel torturing American journalists.

Biden: crickets

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u/MooreThird Anti-Zionist Oct 11 '24

Including Jewish-American journalists.

People like Biden have sworn they'd protect the Jewish people, but when even one Jewish person is violently repressed by Israel, nothing. No reaction, not even a lie or a denial.

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u/screedor Oct 11 '24

Not Jews, they protect Zionist. The only time they would care about a Jew is if the attack could be politicized so they could demonize a side or if it was a Zionist.

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u/Saul_al-Rakoun Conservadox & Marxist Oct 11 '24

American Jews.

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u/Correct_Brilliant435 Oct 11 '24

Israel has a military censor. Journalists in Israel who write about anything vaguely connected with the war, the IDF, etc etc have to have their articles processed by the censor. The censor also issues guidelines about what can and cannot be published.

However like most things in the IDF the military censor works very poorly and since October 7 has issued various guidelines (e.g. on reporting about the Hannibal Directive) that has been ignored by Israeli outlets.

In this case the military censor would absolutely not want for journalists to write about where Iran's missiles hit. There are two main reasons -- 1, if Iran learns where its missiles hit it can fine tune its launches next time to hit targets and 2. Israel wants to give the impression that missiles don't harm it and everything gets shot down by the Iron Dome and it's invincible. Basic psychological warfare.

However, arresting Jeremy in this case is ridiculous, because Israeli and foreign outlets all reported the same information that he did. The reason he was arrested and continues to be detained, in my view, is because the outlet he writes for is openly anti-Israeli and it is likely that someone in Israel has decided or believes that he is therefore "working for Iran."

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u/buried_lede Non-Jewish Ally Oct 11 '24

What say you, Mr. Blinken?

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u/Killionaire187 Oct 12 '24

The truth is out there!

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u/SukkaMeeLeg Oct 10 '24

This guy was doing journalism on basically damage to military bases. I think most countries in the world would consider this espionage. 

I don’t support Israel or its government in most regards, but I don’t know what this guy expected. I am not sure what the expectation of spreading info about this case is meant to achieve. This guy is almost certainly going to prison in Israel and the US is not going to press for his release. 

If you do this at a military base near you, you will be, at the least, confronted, questioned, and maybe arrested, wherever you are in the world. If you do this in a country currently engaged in war, you will probably be shot. 

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u/Gotcha2500 Palestinian Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24

How was reporting on damage to military bases considered espionage? That’s called journalism . Or does freedom of speech and freedom of expression not apply in the supposed only democracy in the Middle East ? Or is this like the Julian Assange case where releasing files that are damaging to an empires reputation worthy of incarceration. So releasing information about damage that Israel is receiving due to the war it’s instigating is a crime ? At least in that case of Julian Assange he was not beaten in prison . If we believe in the values of freedom of speech and freedom of expression we have to stand by those values even if it the information is inconvenient to the powers that be .

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u/SukkaMeeLeg Oct 10 '24

 does freedom of speech and freedom of expression not apply in the supposed only democracy in the Middle East

Basically, no, it doesn’t apply if a country’s military is in an active war and you start filming military bases. It’s just not going to end well. I do not support the Israeli government in the slightest, but this would happen in Iran just the same way. 

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u/Gotcha2500 Palestinian Oct 10 '24

Iran is an authoritarian regime so what Iran would do isn’t on the “what Israel should be allowed to do“ bingo card .

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u/SukkaMeeLeg Oct 11 '24

Ok. China would do this. France would do this. Ukraine would do this. Russia would do this. Any country with a military in wartime would absolutely, no question, arrest people filming a military base on sight. The beatings are a bad thing, detention without charges is bad. Still, this is entirely predictable and I am not sure what he thought he was accomplishing. It was a miscalculation on his part. 

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u/Gotcha2500 Palestinian Oct 11 '24

You can see it as miscalculation for sure, I think it’s bravery on his part because this is a case similar to Julian Assange where a citizen of a different country is arrested and tried for releasing documents inconvenient to (insert empire/elites here). And that precedent is a problem the world over especially when it’s coming from supposed democracies. I understand the need to protect state secrets but in the case of Assange , freedom of speech is enshrined in the constitution to protect from government tyranny. But we can agree to disagree.

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u/SukkaMeeLeg Oct 11 '24

Assange published wikileaks, which actually had useful, non-public information. Assange commit espionage for a purpose and that’s far more practical than doing it for no clear purpose. This guy both didn’t release anything meaningful or new and has now created a distinct and non-useful media cycle. 

Literally, his conclusion is that Iran hit Israeli airfields, which is self-evident because he drove to the airfields to get footage in the first place. I.e. we already could reach this conclusion without this footage, which doesn’t show anything. 

It’s a distracting issue and miscalculation on his part because it pulls attention away from Gaza and Lebanon (where there are far more important stories currently, like IOF attacking UN peacekeepers). 

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u/Gotcha2500 Palestinian Oct 11 '24 edited Oct 11 '24

I appreciate your perspective for sure and can see where you’re coming from but I think his bravery and putting himself in this position as a Jewish American journalist getting beaten and arrested is another blow to the image of the Israeli states’ purported freedoms and function as a state for the protection of the Jewish people . And of course everyone here is aware of the lies of those claims , but if there’s one person out there that will read this story and start questioning the bs of the narrative then that in itself is a huge help to the Palestinian cause and for every person who believes in truth and justice . Sorry for waxing poetic lol but I feel very inspired by the solidarity that has come from this collective awakening that’s occurring from this horrific genocide, especially as a Palestinian and on this sub in particular, and it gives me hope.

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u/Correct_Brilliant435 Oct 11 '24

Other Israeli and foreign news outlets also reported the same information has he did. So your argument holds no water.

This guy was arrested because the news outlet he writes for has an anti-Israeli stance.

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u/Automatic-Cry7532 Oct 10 '24

why is user getting down voted? he’s just providing nuance?

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u/ImNotRealTakeYorMeds Oct 10 '24

he didn't infiltrate any military base. he didn't disclose any secrets.

all he investigated was where the Iranian missiles were headed, according to him, they were targeting military assets, according to Israel, they were targeting civilian areas.

his research disagreed with the government truth. and that's not allowed.