r/JewsOfConscience • u/AutoModerator • Sep 18 '24

AAJ "Ask A Jew" Wednesday

It's everyone's favorite day of the week, "Ask A (Anti-Zionist) Jew" Wednesday! Ask whatever you want to know, within the sub rules, notably that this is not a debate sub and do not import drama from other subreddits. That aside, have fun! We love to dialogue with our non-Jewish siblings.

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u/lilleff512 Jewish Sep 18 '24

Can you be more specific? Which rhetoric are you talking about?

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u/inex_frami Non-Jewish Ally Sep 18 '24

well, the rhetoric of countering that pro Palestine crowd uses that Palestine was a somewhat peaceful place before zionism

I guess the perspective/reasoning goes along the lines of "see? zionism saves Jews, and they were oppressed in Palestine as well"

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u/lilleff512 Jewish Sep 19 '24

Well there's no denying that there were anti-Jewish pogroms in Palestine during the British Mandate era, but does that mean that establishing a Jewish majority state is the way to prevent violent attacks against Jews? The Second Intifada and 10/7 would beg to differ. The death toll from the 1929 Hebron Massacre is less than a tenth of the death toll from 10/7.

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u/ArmyOfMemories Jewish Anti-Zionist Sep 19 '24

One of the reasons for the 2nd Intifada was the massacre committed by Baruch Goldstein against Palestinian civilians.

There have been multiple massacres or pogroms committed by Israeli soldiers and/or settlers.

Yehuda Shaul explains that Hamas began using suicide bombing in response to the massacre.

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u/Thisisme8719 Arab Jew Sep 20 '24

And also when they started launching suicide attacks against civilians inside Israel's borders with the Afula bombing. In the past, groups like CAMERA have attacked people for pointing this strategic shift following Goldstein's terrorism. But they erase the fact that Mehola is not inside Israel. It's a settlement.