r/JewsOfConscience • u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist • Jul 23 '24
Activism Time to pressure Killer Kamala!
Now that vice president Kamala Harris looks to be the next democratic presidential candidate, it is time to remind her how unequivocally pro Palestine her voter base is. We need an email campaign and we need a protest campaign, we need to apply pressure in every single way.
Below is the Email information for contacting Kamala Harris, every single American who gives a fuck about Palestine needs to send an email to Kamala Harris. Please share this so as many people can see this as possible. Free Palestine šµšø
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u/Specialist-Gur Ashkenazi Jul 23 '24
Sent one! āļø look I donated to her campaign but she doesnāt need to know that. Free Palestine šµšø
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u/NathMorr Jewish Jul 23 '24
She is notably more critical of Israel than Biden is. The question is whether this will lead to a change in foreign aid or not.
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u/MassivePsychology862 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
I agree she is less supportive of Israel but Iāve been trying to find prior statements from her to this effect. Iām not coming up with much. If you know of anything please share. This very much will inform my decision to campaign for her and donate.
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u/Bayked510 Ashkenazi Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
I saw reporting on Democracy Now that some of her more Palestinian-sympathetic language was cut out of her speeches by the white house, and that she has been the more pro-palestinian voice in the room. The (real but not huge) differences between her and Biden are talked about here starting around minute 7: https://youtu.be/s0eR5rBsjtU?si=NlaKXcrhAqE-kdPI
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u/MassivePsychology862 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
Thank you! Iāll take any softening. Itās a step in the right direction. I really hate when people (pro Pals) shut down conversations with people just because they call themselves a Zionist. First thatās making a huge assumption about their definition of Zionism and second if thereās any chance of peace these are exactly the people we need to engage. Obviously I have a line and if someone is saying blatantly racist stuff Iām not that interested in engaging. But someone who is open to a conversation? Sure. Letās chat it out.
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u/oowii Jul 23 '24
No, she's good! I found a usatoday article with direct quotes from her calling for ceasefire and suggesting real limitations to israel when the "war" is over. She wants a two state solution and permanent ceasefire.
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u/the_art_of_the_taco Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
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u/MassivePsychology862 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
Thank you! That article comes out swinging.
I hope that thereās still a chance for an about face from Harris.
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u/the_art_of_the_taco Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
I adore Jeremy Scahill. He and Ryan Grim just left the Intercept (which he co-founder) to launch Drop Site News. They came out swinging.
Also, highly recommend listening to the Intercepted podcast if you never have. Jeremy co-hosts it with Murtaza Hussein and their interviews have been excellent. Doctors returning from Gaza, Medea Benjamin from CodePink, students from the encampments, Judith Butler, Diana Buttu, and so on. The theme gets me so pumped lmao.
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u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist Jul 23 '24
She also takes tons of Money from APAC and is extremely pro Israel, she sometimes makes a pro peace statement or two but she is still Zionist all the wayĀ
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u/NathMorr Jewish Jul 23 '24
Let's give her a chance to clarify her stance and policy man. Her campaign just started. I'm as jaded with politicians as you are but she is a step in the right direction from Biden.
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u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 24 '24
Gaza activist where kicked out of a Kamala campaign event and white house offices confirmand that she will be a friend to Israel, you really think Genocide Joe's vp who taken nearly 200 thousandĀ from AIPAC is going to be even pro ceasefire without some serious motivation
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u/motherofcorgidors Jewish Anti-Zionist Jul 23 '24
Just want to point out that this is a bit misleading. According to Open Secrets, from 1990 to 2024 Kamala Harris has received approximately $182k total from AIPAC affiliated PACs/donors. You may be confusing this stat with Joe Bidenās, who has received over $5 mil in that same time period.
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u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist Jul 24 '24
I "millions" was more of a way to say "a lot" and I should be more specific in the future
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u/motherofcorgidors Jewish Anti-Zionist Jul 24 '24
Iād certainly prefer it if candidates never accepted any donations related to Israel (or any other foreign government for that matter), but in the scheme of things, $182k over a 34 year period is peanuts in the world of campaign financing, and not what I would call a lot. According to OpenSecrets, āPro-Israelā is listed in the top 20 among industry donors to Trumpās 2024 campaign, with approximately $2.7 mil donated. Prior to Biden dropping out, Pro-Israel wasnāt even listed among the top 20 industry donors to his campaign. We also know that Harris raised over $81 mil from grassroots donations on ActBlue just in the first 24 hours of her taking over the top of the ticket. In comparison, $182k over 34 years truly seems minuscule when you look at her massive fundraising numbers the last two days from regular folks.
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u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist Jul 24 '24
She is still extremely pro Israel, that is unacceptableĀ
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u/screedor Jul 24 '24
They "weekend at Bernie's" Biden's corpse past any primary so that they could put her in place without having to have a policy. She is willing to do everything they want and that's is why she is the candidate.
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u/screedor Jul 24 '24
She is nothing but what the press and AIPAC want to really sell genocide. How can the media disagree go along with Trump when he calls for a final solution. Harris on the other hand will make sure it continues. That she never outright says she is committing war crimes. She is what AIPAC wants. Every kid will be dead and she will give a finger wagging and the news can act ignorant.
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u/NAHTHEHNRFS850 Sahist Jul 23 '24
I think the only way effective lobbing on a national scale would be if there was an Anti-Zionist Pro-Palestine Political Action Committee (AZPPPAC).
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u/MassivePsychology862 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
Imagine how much we could raise. Money speaks. Time to challenge AIPACs control of our politicians.
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u/mobert_roses Jewish Jul 23 '24
Let's start all of our emails with "Dear Killer Kamala". Surely we will be persuasive!
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u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist Jul 23 '24
She will not be persuaded by honeyed words, you can be as polite as you want, or start off by calling her the spawn of hell and a moldy rag, what Ā works in this kind of situation is a threat to a politicians campaign, the threaten withholdings votes. Now I understand if youāre hesitant to actually not vote for Kamala if youāre in a state where that could matter, but she doesnāt need to do that in your email, you can just lie.Ā
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u/mobert_roses Jewish Jul 23 '24
They know full well that no one calling her a "moldy rag" will ever vote for her.
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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 23 '24
For the next two months, could we please focus on not having a repeat of 2016? Y'know when many people decided that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump were pretty much the same because they were both not what I wanted
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u/bearoscuro Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
Are you serious? Just respectfully ignore the genocide for two months, and then somehow stop them after the election, when thousands more Palestinians are dead, and no one has the leverage of vote threatening anymore?
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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 23 '24
leverage of vote threatening
It's not a threat if the person knows that you are bluffing. Are you going to turn to the DNC and tell them, "If you don't stop Israel I'm going to vote for Trump"??
The only thing a stunt like that will do is increase apathy amongst Democratic voters and increase the chance that Trump gets elected.
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u/bearoscuro Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
You can threaten to vote third party or only vote on a local level, and specifically say your single issue that would get you to vote Harris is a ceasefire. Why would they know you're bluffing? They're not telepathic. The approval numbers are actually bad enough that they're working in very thin margins, and they know this. That's why they had to take this drastic measure of shuffling Biden out to begin with. This is the time when they'll be most vulnerable to pressure from a bloc like Uncommitted, if they're forced to contend with several hundred thousand voters all pledging this, they can't afford to take that bluff.
Vote how you like, but if this tiny, completely legal gesture to pressure the government is too risky for you, then to be blunt, this is rapidly approaching a "with 'allies' like these, who even needs enemies" level of risk-averse liberalism that abandons the most vulnerable. I don't really have anything further to say if that's the case.
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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 23 '24
First, thanks for elaborating your thoughts a bit and sharing them. I will give it more thought.
I just can't escape the idea that the election will come down to either the Democratic candidate or the Republican candidate and even if my only issue is what happens in Israel Palestine, I'm unclear who the DNC could put on the ticket that would be worse than Donald Trump. And not voting or voting for a third party, might be a message to the DNC for who they should run in the future but in this election it is a vote for Trump.
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u/bearoscuro Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
Ok. That's all in the future. The genocide is happening now. Do you not think that is enough of a moral imperative to do everything possible for a ceasefire? This isn't exactly Palestine Action level factory destruction stuff, no one's asking you to face down riot police, so far it's one email and maybe a petition.
If sending an email exceeds the limit of the activism you want to do for Palestine, that's extremely bleak to point of being funny. I'm going to be blunt. There's a literal genocide, people are dying every day because there isn't a ceasefire, more will continue to die of longterm complications because the medical system is gone, people are being exposed to horrific hate crimes and police violence and retaliation in the west for speaking out or even just being visibly brown or Muslim looking... but we don't worry! We all have allies like this, who care about it so much, just not enough to send an email. Thanks I guess?
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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 23 '24
I was mostly bothered by the tone that the OP took with "Killer Kamala". FWIW, I don't think that accusing President Biden of personally orchestrating or running genocidal actions has been in the slightest bit helpful for the Palestinian people and I don't think that coming up with a hint-at-genocide nickname for VP Harris will be helpful either.
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u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist Jul 23 '24
The democratic party in 2016 relied on lesser evilism and blaming voters who didn't what to vote for a ghoul, who supported unpopular policies, and it failed. Those who do not learn from history will be doomed to repeat it.
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u/MichaelSchirtzer Jul 23 '24
you are extremely naive if you think Kamala will do anything different from the Biden admin. They are all fascists and zionists
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u/Thisisme8719 Arab Jew Jul 23 '24
Every president before Trump has exerted pressure on Israel on different matters, including when they ramp up their brutality. Maybe Harris will be the standard, mainstream, AIPAC Conference-attending Democrat. But even then, she'd still be better than the guy who still thinks meeting that insidious wretch Golda Meir was a transformative moment in his political career.
That's still far from what I'd want to see - a president who cuts all aid to Israel, imposes sanctions, and treats it like the pariah state it is. But that's not gonna happen anytime soon5
u/bearoscuro Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
If you have better ideas that can be posted on Reddit, I'm all ears haha. This is an extremely low-effort initial ask, to try and push for the candidate to pledge a ceasefire out of fear of losing votes, and it's been like 3 days since the candidate switch anyway. I don't think any organization was fully prepared for it, and they're probably scrambling to figure out what needs to be done. I don't think anyone's end goal is to get them to abolish the police and military and become anti-imperialists, as fun as that sounds - people want a ceasefire, and for the US to follow it's own laws on not providing arms to states that restrict aid to civilians.
And that's actually in the government's interest if they want to be reelected, given how wildly unpopular and protested they are at the moment, and the likelihood of this kicking off an even more unpopular regional war.
Anyway, if you're not a believer in emails or electoral politics, send one anyway because it's like 30 seconds of work and has no downsides, then install Signal on your phone and join up with your local Palestine solidarity, anti-war, or other racial justice group ā
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u/MrIncorporeal Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
You are extremely naive if you think Trump and his cronies wouldn't be objectively worse.
At least there are SOME elements of the Democratic party that are willing to take a stand against the genocide. At least there would be SOME members of her administration who would oppose it. That's a hell of a lot better than the party that's actively cheering it on and would likely increase financial and military support for it.
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u/mobert_roses Jewish Jul 23 '24
I don't think you know what "fascist" means. It is not just "thing I disagree with". Ugh
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u/Last_Tarrasque Non religious Jewish communist Jul 23 '24
She is a Zionist fuck, but we can apply public pressure, this alone will not by enough but it is worth doing
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u/prettybluefoxes Aug 08 '24
Looking at footage from a a Harris rally today it seems the message fell on deaf ears. Free Palestine šµšø
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u/Time_Waister_137 Reconstructionist Jul 24 '24
She has both Jamaican and Indian parentage; she shares genes from all over the world. We need to convince her she needs to become a World leader,
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u/ClosetCaseGrowSpace Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24
I'm not sold on the Dems. I think I may be voting for Jill Stein again. I have some questions that are bothering me:
Why is Joe Biden still President? Is he, or is he not mentally fit for office? If not, who is running the country? Who has been running the country for the last four years?
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u/Bayked510 Ashkenazi Jul 23 '24
His statement says there will be more details to come, but right now I don't think they're saying he's mentally unfit for the office. "I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my term." To me, this implies he doesn't think he can win the general election, maybe that he thinks his candidacy drags down the party's chances in other races, not that he can't do the job per se.
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u/MassivePsychology862 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
Dude thereās a conspiracy theory floating around thatās heās in hospice. I would have never even entertained that before but now weāve had: a disaster of a debate that called into play his mental fitness, an attempted assassination of a presidential candidate, an incumbent president dropping out of a race. These are unprecedented times and Iāve lost all faith in our government and media to tell us the truth.
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u/ClosetCaseGrowSpace Jul 23 '24
Did you watch any of the hearings with the director of the Secret Service? Kim Cheatle is her name, I think. She flat out refuses to provide answers to the simplest questions from Congress. It's a very bad look.
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u/MassivePsychology862 Non-Jewish Ally Jul 23 '24
Oh yea. Sheās toast. That was the biggest F up weāve seen since JFK. Itās so incompetent it almost feels planned. But in general I donāt want to give these people more credit than theyāre worth. I donāt think they are smart enough to have pulled off a staged assassination. But weāll never know regardless.
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u/skateboardjim Jewish Anti-Zionist Jul 23 '24
Iām afraid āKiller Kamalaā is an unintentionally badass name. Maybe not the best for this use case
(Still contacted though)