r/JewsOfConscience • u/sar662 Jewish • Jul 11 '24

Opinion Opinion | A Gaza cease-fire agreement appears within reach

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/10/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-agreement-within-reach/

It's not a done deal by any stretch of the imagination but I'm glad to see there is hope again.

The key things that have shifted seem to be * (So far unspecified) Arab states have agreed to back an interim government which is not Hamas, not israel, is not the Palestinian authority (but has ties to the PA) * Egypt saying they will work to block new smuggling tunnels between Egypt and Gaza. * Both sides agreed to a UN proposal that once a ceasefire begins it will continue indefinitely as long as both parties are engaged in further negotiation.

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u/noam99 Jul 11 '24

Countless Palestinians view Hamas as their legitimate government and they function as a government in many of the same ways as the "normal governments" of other countries.

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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 11 '24

There are countless North Koreans who swear fealty to their supreme leader. That doesn't change the fact that Kim Jong Un is a ruthless murdering dictator.

There are Palestinians who view Hamas illegitimate government and there are those who don't. The overwhelming majority of Western democracies have taken a careful look at Hamas and decided they are terrorists. I'm not an expert so I'm not going to form my own opinion. I'm ok trusting those guys who do that stuff for a living in their assessment of Hamas.

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u/noam99 Jul 11 '24

You're confused: you see, its the so-called "western democracies" who have done all the lying in pursuit of the extermination of Palestinians and it's Hamas and the Palestinian resistance who have proven time and time again who the real terrorists are.

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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 11 '24

Seems we disagree as to how to view Hamas.

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u/noam99 Jul 11 '24

why do you think hamas is bad

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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 11 '24

Not really the topic of this post but the short version would be probably because of the murdering. I'm not so into it.

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u/ZipZapZia South Asian Muslim Jul 11 '24

But Western Democracies also murder indiscriminately (and on a very large scale) but you seem to support and trust their "judgement" when they're equally as flawed?

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u/malachamavet Excessively Communist Jew Jul 11 '24

It's nice to see someone else who believes Israel should be disbanded. Surely the hundreds of times more dead Palestinians mean the Israelis are hundreds of times as worse, and thus hundreds of times more deserving of punishment?

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u/sar662 Jewish Jul 11 '24

As I wrote above, this really is a very different topic than I posted about and not something I'm interested in discussing. I'm ok saying that I think Hamas are terrorists and that there are other rational people who disagree with me.