NYC Dyke March Drama

[u/Ok_Item_3313]

The NYC Dyke March is being boycotted by many other organizations including Act Up NYC for putting out and subsequently deleting this statement. Thoughts?

Imma be real I don't really think this statement is bad at all, but I understand that others have read it as "all lives matter"-ing the genocide in Gaza. Would love to hear more takes.

[u/cupcakefascism]

I’ve been involved in pro-Palestine activism for the past 2 decades and have access to a search engine. I also follow UK Jewish news organisations really closely. Unfortunately they’re not reporting on the ‘tonnes of horrifying stuff’ you seem to be privy to, they’re still bleating about hate marches and Corbyn. I’m also sure that the worst incidents, whatever they are, aren’t coming from pro-Palestine activism which is what we’re talking about.

It’s not about numbers. A 3000% increase in people calling the police because they saw a Palestinian flag - something that happpened constantly post Oct 7th where I am, a photo of a flag in someone’s window would be shared in local Jewish/Israeli WhatsApp groups & lots of people would call the police & CST - means nothing. But it would have to get a hell of a lot worse for me to even consider prioritising it when I’m watching videos of Palestinian kids purposefully being torn to shreds.

As for my faith in Jews, I only referred to the ones you brought up. Those still handwringing ‘but won’t somebody think of the Jews?!’ while our mainstream organisations cheer on the brutal extermination of an entire people. Silently donating when you know that perversely, your voice as a Jew is taken so much more seriously than that of a Palestinian is less than the bare minimum. On the other hand, some of the bravest, most steadfast, most committed non-Palestinian anti-Zionists I know are Jewish and they make me deeply proud every single day.

Have you ever considered that it might actually be your tailored algorithm that’s leading you to have an overblown idea of how bad things are? Leading you to make assumptions about other Jews in this thread? To be scared, when you really have no reason to be?

[u/PossibleDeer4613 → u/cupcakefascism]

So you are…. Proving my point… that you haven’t seen the vile stuff… because it hasn’t reached you… and are making generalizations based on the sham cases of antisemitism that you have seen that less “moral” jews than you are scared for no reason.

Ya I agree I figured thats what was happening, if you’ll recall ✨

And I do consider the algorithm all the time! Thats why I bring it up. Helps me have more faith in humanity when they are being very dismissive of horrible things its cause they havent seen it. I also make efforts to not be in an echo chamber- my opinions on this don’t fall neatly into the way others tell me I am supposed to think about everything. As you see.

[u/cupcakefascism → u/PossibleDeer4613]

Lol no, you’re missing the point but it’s ok I’ll spell it out for you. ✨

I’m saying that I deeply, fundamentally disagree that the current level/incidents of antisemitism in the UK are so ‘vile and horrifying’ that they warrant taking up space in pro-Palestine spaces & organising.

That doesn’t mean I’m not aware of them as you keep insisting, it means I think they are no where near serious enough to distract from a genocide. The sham case I described was to make the point that numbers are meaningless, not that all cases are like that.

I mean, the arguments you’ve been making do in fact fit neatly into what mainstream Jewish organisations are telling me I’m supposed to think, so it’s amusing that you seem to see yourself as somehow above being influenced by echo chambers.

[u/PossibleDeer4613 → u/cupcakefascism]

Lol a 12 year old just got gang raped for being jewish and you’re telling me nothing is vile. But I must be influenced by Israeli propaganda to think maybe some antisemitism is growing!You arent going to convince me that holding multiple truths at once is somehow immoral or bad for Palestinians.

[u/cupcakefascism → u/PossibleDeer4613]

Wait you were talking about the UK, are we suddenly in France?

Also, did you actually read the point I’ve been making? Saying it is not the job of pro-Palestine spaces/acrivists/organisers to spend the meagre resources they have on constantly reassuring Jews =/ saying antisemitism isn’t bad, doesn’t exist, or shouldn’t be tackled full stop. No one’s stopping you doing that, they’re rightly refusing to let it distract from a genocide.

I’m not trying to convince you of anything, you’re one who came into the comment thread attempting that. I’m explaining my position to anyone else reading the thread.

Edit: I’m not downvoting you by the way.