NYC Dyke March Drama

[u/Ok_Item_3313]

The NYC Dyke March is being boycotted by many other organizations including Act Up NYC for putting out and subsequently deleting this statement. Thoughts?

Imma be real I don't really think this statement is bad at all, but I understand that others have read it as "all lives matter"-ing the genocide in Gaza. Would love to hear more takes.

[u/ArmyOfMemories]

Are you talking about Oct. 7th?

The death toll was 1179 (rounded up to '1200' in the media) not 2800. Haaretz has a database of all those killed:

• Haaretz - Israel's Dead: The Names of Those Killed in Hamas Attacks, Massacres and the Israel-Hamas War

Of the 1179, around 700+ were civilians. Of those 700+, some subset (at least 14) of Israeli civilians were killed by Israeli security forces due to "counter-offensive actions" or gross negligence - as per the United Nations:

227) [...]According to the Commission’s investigation, in these two cases at least 14 Israeli civilians were likely killed as a result of Israeli Security Forces fire: one woman was killed by helicopter fire while being taken from kibbutz Nir Oz to Gaza by militants78 and the other 13 were likely killed by tank shelling and crossfire in kibbutz Be’eri.

• United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel - Detailed findings on attacks carried out on and after 7 October 2023 in Israel

[u/Glad-Degree-4270 → u/ArmyOfMemories]

Under most legal doctrines, if a kidnapping victim is killed by law enforcement while attempting to stop the crime, the perpetrator is legally liable for the death due to it being a direct result of the crime of kidnapping.

Now, that doesn’t mean military/LE should be so careless and cavalier about civilian lives, but I think it’s still fair to say that deaths resulting from “friendly fire” on Oct. 7 are primarily due to Hamas, even if the ordnance was from the IDF. That being since, in the months since, Israel has continued to refuse hostage release deals while bombing places with hostages present. For that they are much more culpable.

[u/ArmyOfMemories → u/Glad-Degree-4270]

I agree that the cases of 'friendly fire' and/or negligence/gross incompetence does not absolve Hamas et al of responsibility.

I disagree that they (or anyone else) would be 'primarily' at fault in every case. I think that would vary by the situation being investigated.

However, the Commission Of Inquiry report also references Israel's Hannibal Directive - so that changes the context further.

[u/Glad-Degree-4270 → u/ArmyOfMemories]

That’s a good point

And if the military made no effort to safeguard civilian lives then of course their share of responsibility increases, especially when paired with the Hannibal directive