r/JewsOfConscience May 19 '24

History Ben-Gurion debunking himself that the indigenous Palestinians are the Jewish nation who weren't mistreated by Arabs. Later accusing them for "being forced to avoid their faith".

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u/Aljameel1 May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24

Maimonides

Are you talking about Maimonides the same one who fled to Cairo the capital of the Islamic kingdom in the 12 century and was trusted to be the personal healthcare doctor for the King 'Salah elden' who defeated the crusades and freed Jerusalem from the crusades invasion and allowed the Jewish to come back?

Cordoba

Not sure if you know that the Spanish Inquisition was basically a genocide against the Muslims of Cordoba.... Unless you think Cordoba survived.

kill him as he represents the last of the Persian leadership.

Not sure why you are extracting the words out of its context. And, it is obvious that though he didn't convert to Islam in the first place, he was pardoned.... So it is obvious that he was offered a 'license' according to Islamic terminology. Not sure which old or modern history the kings of enemies were pardoned once they were defeated.

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u/Aljameel1 May 19 '24 edited May 19 '24

No I mean Maimonidies Goldfarb. We used to be neighbors.

I tried to research that but find nothing. So kindly share a reference so I can answer you.

Islam doesn't allow for forced conversion what are you talking about?

Islam strictly forbids enforcing beliefs, it is the basic core of Islam. Islam isn't responsible about the behavior of individuals belonging to political regimes even if it 'happens to have Islamic identity'. Believe me if there is something like that in Islam I won't sugarcoat it and I won't even try to hide it. It is the basics.

but it's also specified that he was killed because he wouldn't convert

He got the license, he refused it, and finally was pardoned because of a cup of water. Later he murdered the one who pardoned him...! If Islam was really about "killing", then Umar would have stayed alive if he did so.

Not to mention that the knife was poisoned and that Omar gave Orders that if he stayed alive then no one should touch his murderers.

Imagine if jews were pardoning Hitler for a cup of water...

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u/Aljameel1 May 19 '24

Though I have no examples but If that is the case then it isn't Islam nor a Muslim 'even if he said so' .The same with Zionism doesn't represent Jughdism, Nazism doesn't represent Christianity. It is even prevented in Islam to kill an ant.

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u/Aljameel1 May 19 '24

If so, what were Jews before Zionism, and what were the christians before Nazism... Yet, you gave us no reference nor example of your assumption about "Islam in practice".