r/JewsOfConscience Non-Jewish Atheist, Anti-Zionist Apr 16 '24

History A sociological analysis of Israeli culture and history, the hypocrisy outlined.

Israel often claims that Israel existing means all Jews can now be in tune to their heritage and cherish the history.

Yet most of the very religious Jews in Israel, regardless of of descent, even if they are Mizrahim or Sephardim, dress in 19th/early 20th century Polish Ashkenazi fashion. The assimilation into the dominant eurocentric western culture has not preserved, but extirpated most unique Jewish traditions from various different Jewish groups around the world.

At the same time Israel en masse constantly devastates historical archeological sites (primarily by bombing them), and the environment of this new land that they colonised (and continue to colonise). The famous example of the cutting of ancient olive trees planted by Palestinians illustrates a complete lack of genuine connection to this land, which is seen as an entity to be dominated and brutalised, to be colonised and settled.

What is the land they supposedly see as the "Holy Land" made into? a slew of shopping malls and car centric concrete wastelands.

When Israel was created by Zionist ashkenazim, it was created knowing that the lives of one million Jews in Muslim countries will be jeopardized by the establishment of a Jewish state.” They were warned and knew that such a move would lead to geopolitical instability and that all Jews in arab countries would be seen as supporters of Zionism, that even Arab countries which previously maintained religious tolerance or had been on a path of progressive improvement would turn on Jews within their borders as a result

But this was all in line with the plan, as these people were intented as an underclass to be exploited anyway.

When Mizrahim got off the planes that brought them to Israel, first they were sprayed with the insecticide DDT to “disinfect” and “delouse” them. Then they were sent to live in transit camps known as ma’abarot — tent cities with no electricity, running water, or basic sanitation. Originally seen as completely inferior and barbarous, they were brought over with a false promise just to serve as an underclass of servants (thus the Israeli Black Panthers) for much wealthier Ashkenazi families.
Now, many decades later, a pseduo-acceptence has been achieved by assimilating into the monolithic Israeli western settler colonial culture, by Mizrahi kids just being told over and over again while growing up (including at school) that they are fundamentally different to and better than "the Arabs" (whom they share genetic ancestry and physical appearence with the majority of the time).

It's a twisted union through erasure of variation, assimilation and a shared sense of racist hatred directed at a third group. This is behind the general Mizrahi rightward political shift over the decades; attempts by Mizahim as a group to assert themselves as real Israelis.

Israeli culture behaves like any other racist colonial culture that has ever existed, it is alien to the land it finds itself in, it dominates and brutalises both the native inhabitants of this land (Palestinians) and the land itself, it appropriates some of the traditions of supposedly "savage", inherently "terrorist" Palestinians/Arabs (e.g. food) to be sold to tourists as curiosities and rebranded as uniquely Israeli culture (as opposed to non-speciifc and shared various various Arabs/Arabised peoples, but ironically not between European Jews and MENA Jews).

EDIT: minor edits were made post-hoc in a couple spots for the sake of better readability, and higher specificity/accuracy, for any future readers. 09/24

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u/specialistsets Non-denominational Apr 16 '24

I really don't like how many in this sub and in the anti-Zionist community talk about Mizrahim. As someone who is very close to multiple Mizrahi and Sephardi communities, one of the good things about Israeli society is how it has enabled Mizrahi cultures and traditions to thrive.

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u/CarpeDiemMaybe Non-Jewish Ally Apr 16 '24

I understand the confusion, but there’s a lot of research and scholarly studies on how “mizrahim” was manufactured artificially in order to make MENA Jews believe in their Jewish superiority and prevent them from allying with Palestinians in their discrimination. There’s some great sources out there on this subject

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u/Specialist-Gur Ashkenazi Apr 17 '24

Could you share some of these sources? I’ll also say a lot of mizrahi Jews seem to STRONGLY reject ties to the Arab world because of the persecution their family faced… forced out of countries at gunpoint. I want their stories to be told too..

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u/Thisisme8719 Arab Jew Apr 18 '24 edited Apr 18 '24

If you want to know about the term Mizrahi and how it evolved, Harvey Goldberg's "From Sephardi to Mizrahi and Back Again."
The stereotype that Mizrahim deny Arabness because of the persecution of their families is a tired cliche. The reasons for their antipathy to Arabness is still debated. Some scholars like Peled or Swirski adopted a materialistic approach and focused on the economic competition between Mizrahim and Palestinians after 1967. Others like Shohat and Shenhav analyzed it through from a discursive approach that they were trying to assert their Israeliness (which is probably more common in Mizrahi studies). But there's broad agreement across the spectrum that the hostility to the identity was home-grown in Israel

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u/specialistsets Non-denominational Apr 16 '24

I'm only referring to Mizrahi cultural practices and traditions, which are thriving in Israel despite what the original author of this post is asserting.

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u/Thisisme8719 Arab Jew Apr 16 '24

Thanks to Israel for that. Allowing them to preserve their culture when the recent generations are pronouncing Hebrew like Israelis, dressing like penguins (including Yitzhak Yosef when he's not wearing his Ottoman-era chief rabbi garb, so don't try that crap like you did in other comments), and their religious education being dominated by Ashkenazi schools or Shas affiliated ones (aside from some smaller independent schools which barely get any funding). That's aside from their material deprivation by being disproportionately uneducated and impoverished, even after considering upward mobility and intermarriage with Ashkenazim (which in some ways has made things worse for Mizrahi communities).
I'm not saying we don't have some of these problems in the US, but we've thrived here without Israel.

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u/CarpeDiemMaybe Non-Jewish Ally Apr 16 '24

I’m not saying they didn’t see themselves as distinct pre-formation of state of Israel. Many ethnic and religious groups past and present in the region saw themselves in terms of their culture and history as distinct. But the Israeli state’s efforts in creating the construct of “Mizrahi” is well documented and its intention was clear

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u/xGentian_violet Non-Jewish Atheist, Anti-Zionist Apr 16 '24

On the other hand, I really don't like how none of your comments in your entire comment history here condemn zionism, how you get regularly upvoted on israeli cesspit israelpalestine, and overall how you just sound like a closeted moderate zionist

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u/turtleduck Jewish Apr 27 '24

11d later but this person is still at it

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u/xGentian_violet Non-Jewish Atheist, Anti-Zionist Apr 27 '24

yeah i saw them in another thread, but stopped engaging because they were bad faith (plus they accused me of picking on them for responding to their comment in the thread)

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u/sleazy_b Apr 16 '24

Love it when a goy attacks jews in a jewish space.

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u/xGentian_violet Non-Jewish Atheist, Anti-Zionist Apr 16 '24

i love when troll alt accounts with no sub specific posting history come to brigade/pretend to be 2 different people