r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • Nov 21 '24
Ukraine/Russia Russia launches non nuclear ICBM, Is Weapon's 1st Combat Use In History
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u/speakhyroglyphically Nov 21 '24
The missile was launched from the Astrakhan region of Russia, over 1,000 km away from the damage site in Ukraine.
Nov 21, 2024 - [NDTV] New Delhi, Russia reportedly launched an inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM) on Ukraine, marking the first combat use of the weapon since its inception almost six decades ago. Moreover, Moscow used the Multiple Independently Targetable Re-entry Vehicles (MIRV) technology to target "critical infrastructure" in Ukraine's Dnipro, the first-ever use of the technology too.
ICBMs have a range of over 5,500 kilometres and are built to carry nuclear, chemical and biological warheads. It can also carry a conventional warhead, which Russia reportedly used on the RS-26 Rubezh, ballistic missile. The missile was launched from the Astrakhan region of Russia, over 1,000 km away from the damage site in Ukraine.
Videos have surfaced on social media and Telegram handles, where at least warheads re-entering and targeting infrastructure in Ukraine. Russia has "denied to comment" on the launch of ICBMs though Kyiv has confirmed its use....
Full Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFNa-7e5Z7o
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u/wiredcrusader Nov 21 '24
Pretty sure this was a show of force for the US and NATO. Not at all useful in combat over more conventional tools, but Air Defense across NATO probably had heart attacks when they tracked multiplie Russian ICBM launches.
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u/speakhyroglyphically Nov 21 '24
multiplie Russian ICBM launches.
"The missile was launched from the Astrakhan region of Russia"
One missile, multiple warheads. By the looks of it not sure anything at all was in them
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u/Shackram_MKII Nov 21 '24
One RS-26 carries 4 MIRV warheads and we see 6 groups of 4 impacts, so it was six missiles.
Payload of the missile is 800kg so I'd guess around 80kg of high explosive on each warhead.
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u/yarrpirates Nov 22 '24
That is one expensive strike. Of course the diplomatic value is a bit bigger.
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u/SinghStar1 Nov 21 '24
Man, we need to end this madness ASAP. People on both sides have suffered enough. Just settle it already.
But here we are, with Biden seemingly mentally unfit/unwell and the whole thing spiraling toward disaster. One wrong move, just one, and this could explode into a global nightmare.
And for what? Russia, Ukraine, and Europe are all losing in this mess. The ONLY ones cashing in are the military-industrial fat cats, while thousands of young lives are destroyed. This needs to stop - before it's too late.
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u/Ostczranoan Nov 21 '24
It's terrifying - a version of the Cold War where most of the leaders involved are clumsy shadows of their predecessors.
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u/GroundbreakingAd8004 Nov 21 '24
I agree that Russia should immediately leave and respect the sovereignty of Ukraine.
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u/NovaKaizr Nov 21 '24
Russia could end this today by simply pulling out of Ukraine. When one country invades another the fault for the bloodshed does not lie with the defender for not rolling over and submitting.
It is the same case with Israel. They are the invaders so if the conflict is to end it is them who have to pull back their troops
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u/menerell Nov 22 '24
They pull out of Ukraine now and the next thing they see is NATO nuclear missiles in Ukraine, so they are in a much worse position.
I'm not defending them I'm just stating reality. We don't need a truce, we need real peace.
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u/NovaKaizr Nov 22 '24
Ok, make a peace deal saying "we agree to pull back on the condition of no nukes in Ukraine"
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u/menerell Nov 22 '24
NATO has little credibility in thia kind of deal. Also, US is pushing for the continuation of the war, not for a deal.
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u/NovaKaizr Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 22 '24
The US is pushing for Ukraine to not have to surrender on Russia's terms. As for nuclear weapons, Ukraine has already willingly given them up in the past. The only reason they would want them now is because of the russian invasion, and to deter future aggression.
The logic makes sense. Putin flaunts his nukes every week threatening to use them if Ukraine doesn't roll over. Would he still be doing that if Ukraine also had nukes?
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u/shane_4_us Nov 21 '24
It is not even close to the same thing as with "Israel." The government the US helped coup into place in 2014 spoke of ethnic cleansing the 90% ethnic Russian sections of Ukraine and fired shells at them indiscriminately for six years before the two republics, honoring the coincidentally( /s) also 90% vote to do so, seceded from Ukraine, and even if what followed was not out of magnanimity, it was at least a legitimate pushback by Russia of the Imperial Hegemon -- even after assurances were given and immediately violated that NATO would not move "one inch to the right" -- obviously encircling it in preparation for the culmination of decades of war pigs' wettest dreams: Western invasion of Russia! (This time it'll work guys. Trust us, Napoleon and Hitler were just test runs. We're way better than them, and this definitely won't end in global nuclear annihilation.) Not to mention, uhh, Israel is literally committing the world's first livestreamed genocide. War is ugly, but it would be completely disingenuous to characterize Russia's behavior in Ukraine as anything even remotely resembling the atrocities being inflicted by "Israel" against the Palestinian, and now other, peoples.
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u/NovaKaizr Nov 22 '24
Russia's puppet government was ousted by democratic protests supported by most of the world. Putin then got mad he lost influence, so he forcefully took Crimea and started sponsoring seperatists
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u/cce29555 Nov 22 '24
I do wonder how this is gonna work, hypothetically let's say Russia just takes Ukraine, is Putin going to asume the country is gonna just lie down and take it? After 2 years of war there's going to be uprising after uprising, I can't imagine the ukranians just going "yeah I guess you won, that's it, no more fighting"
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u/NovaKaizr Nov 22 '24
Yeah, there are going to be uprisings that Putin will roll in and crush, just like he has done in Chechnya and Georgia.
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u/frontera_power Nov 21 '24
But here we are, with Biden seemingly mentally unfit/unwell and the whole thing spiraling toward disaster.
You mention Biden, but not Putin.
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u/SinghStar1 Nov 21 '24
Putin has shown he’s open to ending this through talks. The real issue lies with Biden and his administration, who seem keen on dragging this out - feeding the military-industrial complex. Biden holds the cards here, not Putin.
With the U.S.'s overwhelming military, economic, and NATO advantages, Biden could de-escalate anytime. But with his questionable mental state, who even knows who’s making the real calls in the White House? The ball’s in Biden’s court to stop this - it’s just not happening.
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u/heheratorixfan Nov 21 '24
Putin wants it to end only in a Ukrainian defeat, Ukraine has a say in this and obviously does not want to just give invaders what they want.
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u/doesntitmatter Nov 21 '24
If Russian wanted to set up bases in Mexico you will see clearly that the US would not like that and go to war with Mexico. This comment does not excuse horrendous acts of crimes to humanity from the part of Russia. However there is no doubt that the US exacerbated this issue to the fullest extent.
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u/heheratorixfan Nov 21 '24
So are you suggesting Russia will invade Finland, Baltics, etc, because of the nato bases bs, but then again, it will still only be US fault? Nato is not a threat for Russia. It's a defensive alliance, and fuck no they wouldn't attack a nuclear power. The countries willingly joined Nato to avoid exactly what was happening in Ukraine. And BTW, I still only see how only Ukraine and Georgia were attacked, which are important for Russia for multiple reasons.🤔
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u/heheratorixfan Nov 21 '24
And also, where are you getting the "USA will attack Mexico in that scenario" from? The US and Russia have very different interests, military goals, and ways of issuing such attacks. While I do not like the American government and how it rules, such decisions will definitely not take place so suddenly and on one man's interest only because the power is more divided than it is in Russia. It's a very dumb comparison, and especially with a nuclear superpower, unless attacked directly, that's not happening.
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u/couldhaveebeen Nov 21 '24
And also, where are you getting the "USA will attack Mexico in that scenario" from?
Um... Cuba?
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u/heheratorixfan Nov 21 '24
Base vs. nuclear missiles stationed there. Note either side also could have attacked, and also that was.. USSR.., and not Russia...? VERY different political tensions between them.
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u/couldhaveebeen Nov 21 '24
The US has nuclear missiles stationed very close to Russia as well...
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u/heheratorixfan Nov 21 '24
Both countries have a policy of using nuclear weapons only if attacked first, and no one in their right mind is gonna strike a nuclear superpower. Russia literally was not threatened, especially not by Ukraine, and no one was going to riska fucking nuclear war for no reason.
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u/heheratorixfan Nov 21 '24
Were they going to strike any time soon? Why didn't Russia attack other countries, which also were joining Nato and then ended up actually joining? Mind you, Russia has had nuclear missiles, which can reach Western European allies, no problem, and has them for long
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u/Charlirnie Nov 21 '24
US loves war and watching their weapons slaughter kids.
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u/heheratorixfan Nov 21 '24
I know how disgusting the US is, but it will not risk nuclear war. And then again, you also have Russia, which isn't really doing that much different from them, are they? Conventional warfare and nuclear warfare are 2 things, pretty sure no side wants the second one.
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u/SpinningHead Nov 21 '24
Ah yes, Putin is open to taking part of someone elses country. How benevolent.
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u/levi_Kazama209 Nov 21 '24
Russia could easily pull back and stop attacking to have peacetalks. They are the main agressors its their job to stop attacking to have talks.
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u/Srinema Nov 21 '24
Putin will only agree to the annexation of Ukrainian territory. This is not a good faith position to take.
Putin launched the invasion and is now acting in bad faith to pretend he’s the reasonable party. Fuck Putin.
Russia should withdraw unequivocally from Ukraine and pay reparations for the immense harm they have caused.
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u/waldleben Nov 21 '24
What does anyone but Putin have to gain from deescalation? No, the path to victory is massive, unilateral escalation by the west. Give the ukrainians everything they want and need.
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u/texteditorSI Nov 21 '24
Probably has something to do with Biden's needless escalation on his way out causing Putin to put on this demonstration
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u/Aggressive_Rent_4344 Nov 21 '24
Not an ICBM.
It's a MRBM. The first Russia produced since the ban was lifted after the US left the agreement.
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u/speakhyroglyphically Nov 21 '24
ICBM
"An intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) is a ballistic missile with a range greater than 5,500 kilometres" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile
Which it does. (I understand that Russia is calling "Oreshnik (Hazel Tree) a MRBM bit still , it is an ICBM
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u/slowkums Nov 22 '24
It wasn't an rb-26 they used?
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u/Aggressive_Rent_4344 Nov 23 '24
Not in production whatsoever.
That one still needs a warhead. Funding is expected to restart in 2027.
This MRBS is the Oreshnik.
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u/Maximus_Barbarosa Nov 21 '24
I was an cannon guy when I served, so forgive me. Is this multiple launches, or was one missile armed with several warheads?
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u/speakhyroglyphically Nov 21 '24
one missile armed with several warheads?
That
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u/Maximus_Barbarosa Nov 21 '24
Ha. Thank ya. I immediately did research once I asked the question. I'll try to reverse my tactics next time.
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u/Shackram_MKII Nov 21 '24
One RS-26 carries 4 MIRV warheads and we see 6 groups of 4 impacts, so it was six missiles.
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u/Mkbhdeeznuts Nov 22 '24
Genocide Joe threw some gasoline on all the fires as he rides into the sunset and lets the world burn.
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u/LiquidNova77 Nov 21 '24
fuck war
fuck putin
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u/No_Journalist3811 Nov 21 '24
Fuck america, Britain, Australia, France, Biden etc etc
Anyway and all the weapons manufactures making billions.....
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u/No_Journalist3811 Nov 21 '24
You're the bot, sheep, etc
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u/TheHappyPoro Nov 21 '24
Oh man the no u what will I do
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u/No_Journalist3811 Nov 21 '24
You came here calling me names clever guy
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u/No_Journalist3811 Nov 21 '24
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u/MyrddinTheKinkWizard Nov 21 '24
Do you support Putin and his invasion?
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u/No_Journalist3811 Nov 21 '24
Do I support any military and killing people...no.
Do I support politicians...no
What part of this conflict do you "cheer" for?
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u/MyrddinTheKinkWizard Nov 21 '24
None but I also recognize that Putin is obviously the aggressor in this situation.
Do you support Russia withdrawing from Ukraine including Crimea?
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u/No_Journalist3811 Nov 21 '24
In your opinion what reasons did putin have to invade Ukraine?
Once again, I'm not in support of Ukraine or Russia.
I am in support of the civilian population, the ordinary man, woman, child.
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u/MyrddinTheKinkWizard Nov 21 '24
To remain in power by distracting from the fact that he has let oligarchs steal the countries wealth and that it's economy is dying because of it typical ruler shit distract the population with an enemy.
Now how about you answer my question instead of deflecting.
Do you support Russia withdrawing from all of Ukraine including Crimea?
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u/infiltrateoppose Nov 21 '24
We should not give space to anyone who does not unequivocally blame Putin for this war.
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u/MyrddinTheKinkWizard Nov 21 '24
Exactly all those countries are responsible for reprehensible shit of their own but Putin has no legitimate justification for his invasions of Ukraine
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u/Squealer420 Nov 22 '24
You think putin has to start a war to stay in power despite being extremely popular?
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u/yarrpirates Nov 22 '24
It won't matter whose fault it was when we are all turned to glowing ash.
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u/MyrddinTheKinkWizard Nov 22 '24
What makes you think capitulation is a sound strategy against strongmen dictators? You sound like the cowards who tried and appease Hitler and how did that work out again?
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u/yarrpirates Nov 22 '24
I don't think capitulation is a good idea. I think peace is a good idea.
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u/MyrddinTheKinkWizard Nov 22 '24
Then how do you propose to achieve peace?
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u/yarrpirates Nov 22 '24
Negotiate with Russia. Peace talks. Save the lives of the people who will be lost from now on in the fighting, by ending the fighting in exchange for various concessions by both sides. Ukraine is now losing Eastern territory slowly, and it is unlikely that will change, unless I have missed something. If I have, please point it out to me.
It is better not to lose any more territory.
Immediately after any ceasefire or peace, Ukraine must join NATO and the EU so Putin cannot do this horrible thing again without being immediately destroyed by the combined forces of Europe. Even without America, Russia cannot beat Europe without nukes. Ukraine and Poland together could defeat Russia easily. Ukraine has shown that Russia's ability to pretend to be a superpower is over.
If there is a suggestion that Ukraine is not allowed to enter NATO after the war, as Putin will inevitably demand, then obviously you must continue fighting. You cannot believe anything that Russia says, in a treaty or otherwise, so force is the only thing stopping him. He does not want to die, so he probably will not attack a NATO signatory nation. If Ukraine is not in NATO, he will attack again.
Sadly, this means it's probably in Putin's interest not to negotiate, unless he cannot expel your armies from Kursk.
The Kursk attack, no matter what many western observers say, was a risky but brilliant strategy. It actually puts pressure on Putin to come to the table. It is something he cannot allow for long without seeming weak.
If Ukraine was not planning to negotiate, they would not have invaded Kursk. It is only valuable in a negotiated peace.
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u/EatandDie001 Nov 22 '24
I didn’t see anything explosive, or am I just too old to get it??
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u/Mypersonalaccount69 Nov 22 '24
They didn't put any explosives in. It was a show of power to the US and NATO.
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u/ROSSARKO 24d ago
Someday it will get to people... I recommend reading the book: Principes élémentaires de propagande de guerre (Basic principles of military propaganda) by Anne Morelli. Conflicts do not benefit anyone. And the consequences will fall on the shoulders of ordinary people, both on one side and on the other. No one seems to get it yet. And they don't get it because each side is hostile to the other. On TV, on the Internet and everywhere else they will say: “They started it first, so we decided to do it this way”. “Their side always has more losses than ours”, etc.
Only people who think the truth is on their side are very much mistaken. We are all ordinary people and we will never know the truth. Especially if you go with the flow, any wars, abolitions, avoidance, contempt, revolutions have always been beneficial... have always been profitable, but not for ordinary people. Workers, doctors, teachers, firemen, etc. Study the history of wars, not the history of nations. And also think about how many really powerful people there are in the world and how they can influence. And frankly I don't see anything funny here and I haven't seen it. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's not some kind of bible. This is business. A business that ordinary people were not called into, because they are just expendable, just military men who were told: “Kill that one - he is the enemy. “You've got an order, you've got to follow it.” Is there any other way? Yes, it has. But in most cases, it's business...That's too bad.
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u/Chazmanian88 Nov 21 '24
Russia called in the kill streak, maybe team6 rolled in. Prey for the soldiers.
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