Negotiate with Russia. Peace talks. Save the lives of the people who will be lost from now on in the fighting, by ending the fighting in exchange for various concessions by both sides. Ukraine is now losing Eastern territory slowly, and it is unlikely that will change, unless I have missed something. If I have, please point it out to me.
It is better not to lose any more territory.
Immediately after any ceasefire or peace, Ukraine must join NATO and the EU so Putin cannot do this horrible thing again without being immediately destroyed by the combined forces of Europe. Even without America, Russia cannot beat Europe without nukes. Ukraine and Poland together could defeat Russia easily. Ukraine has shown that Russia's ability to pretend to be a superpower is over.
If there is a suggestion that Ukraine is not allowed to enter NATO after the war, as Putin will inevitably demand, then obviously you must continue fighting. You cannot believe anything that Russia says, in a treaty or otherwise, so force is the only thing stopping him. He does not want to die, so he probably will not attack a NATO signatory nation. If Ukraine is not in NATO, he will attack again.
Sadly, this means it's probably in Putin's interest not to negotiate, unless he cannot expel your armies from Kursk.
The Kursk attack, no matter what many western observers say, was a risky but brilliant strategy. It actually puts pressure on Putin to come to the table. It is something he cannot allow for long without seeming weak.
If Ukraine was not planning to negotiate, they would not have invaded Kursk. It is only valuable in a negotiated peace.
I do apologise, sir, I am sorry. You are right. Ukraine's application to NATO has been pre-approved, so that they will enter automatically when fighting is over. Thankyou for trying to correct me, and I am sorry for contraducting you when you knew better.
I wish you and Ukraine good luck. May the losses of the year be reversed!
What on Earth are you talking about? The US isn't fighting in Ukraine. They're supporting you with materiel.
As to capitulation, call it what you like. It doesn't change reality.
Edit: I do apologise, sir, I am sorry. You are right. Ukraine's application to NATO has been pre-approved, so that they will enter automatically when fighting is over. Thankyou for trying to correct me, and I am sorry for contraducting you when you knew better.
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u/yarrpirates Nov 22 '24
Negotiate with Russia. Peace talks. Save the lives of the people who will be lost from now on in the fighting, by ending the fighting in exchange for various concessions by both sides. Ukraine is now losing Eastern territory slowly, and it is unlikely that will change, unless I have missed something. If I have, please point it out to me.
It is better not to lose any more territory.
Immediately after any ceasefire or peace, Ukraine must join NATO and the EU so Putin cannot do this horrible thing again without being immediately destroyed by the combined forces of Europe. Even without America, Russia cannot beat Europe without nukes. Ukraine and Poland together could defeat Russia easily. Ukraine has shown that Russia's ability to pretend to be a superpower is over.
If there is a suggestion that Ukraine is not allowed to enter NATO after the war, as Putin will inevitably demand, then obviously you must continue fighting. You cannot believe anything that Russia says, in a treaty or otherwise, so force is the only thing stopping him. He does not want to die, so he probably will not attack a NATO signatory nation. If Ukraine is not in NATO, he will attack again.
Sadly, this means it's probably in Putin's interest not to negotiate, unless he cannot expel your armies from Kursk.
The Kursk attack, no matter what many western observers say, was a risky but brilliant strategy. It actually puts pressure on Putin to come to the table. It is something he cannot allow for long without seeming weak.
If Ukraine was not planning to negotiate, they would not have invaded Kursk. It is only valuable in a negotiated peace.