Why isn't Lebanon declaring war on Israel?

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[u/adeveloper2]

These days, nations don't declare war anymore. They just attack

[u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 → u/adeveloper2]

Also - because Lebanon's leaders are Quislings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quisling

Rather than representing their citizens who are getting murdered, they see more profit for themselves by collaborating with their occupiers.

[u/Seputku → u/Appropriate_Ant_4629]

Idk much about Lebanon, I just assumed they didn’t wanna be in open war with a us backed military force

[u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 → u/Seputku]

Idk much about Lebanon, I just assumed they didn’t wanna be in open war with a us backed military force

The US's proxies are already killing their civilians by bombing their cities.

They could reach out to the international community to make alliances. Not all countries want to bomb their hospitals and children, just 2. They could form a coalition to at least help defend civilian areas. .

[u/Seputku → u/Appropriate_Ant_4629]

Agreed, although I have to imagine us military might in a direct war would be way more horrific than by proxy. (Not that the proxy isn’t also horrrific)

[u/endeend8 → u/adeveloper2]

Hezbollah is the de facto military of Lebanon. The Lebanese army is more of a glorified police force. They also dont see eye to eye with Hezbollah being more radical, have more foreign influence (ie Iran), and in perpetual state of conflict with Israel that not all Lebanese support.

[u/speakhyroglyphically]

Nov 3, 2024 - MEMO explains why Lebanon doesn't fight back against Israel's vicious aerial assault on Beirut and ground invasion in southern Lebanon. The real answer lies in the recent history of the Lebanese Armed Forces, their limited role in the civil war, and the fact they are believed to be secondary to Hezbollah's armed wing in terms of military power and ability.

Another dilemma for the Lebanese government is that the US provides money and weapons for its military and police, while it relies on Hezbollah politically to keep control of the country. And while Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati recognises that Israel is violating the country's sovereignty, does his government have a red line that would mean Lebanon fights back against Israel?

Correction: The Blue Line, the ceasefire line between Israel and Lebanon, was established in June 2000 and not July 2006 as stated in the video. According to the UN, it was established 'for the practical purpose of confirming the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the south of Lebanon'.

By Middle East Monitor

[u/613TheEvil → u/speakhyroglyphically]

Imagine accepting money from the countries murdering your people. Despicable.

[u/Healthy_Draw_2366]

Lebanon's army is in a sorry state; they do not have parity with Israel's firepower or outside political support. Fighting a war against Israel would be akin to suicide. There is also no need to bring up their economic woes since that is universally known. Seriously, their best bet is to incorporate Hezbollah into their army, but that doesn't solve other issues.

[u/umbertea → u/[deleted]]

I trust the leb army more than I trust the dogs of iran

To do what? Defend the country?

[u/modernDayKing → u/umbertea]

Def not that

[u/Healthy_Draw_2366 → u/[deleted]]

They're haram to keep indoors as pets but not haram for protection and such.

[u/TheOrchidsAreAlright → u/Healthy_Draw_2366]

Ah ok. According to this thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/iran/s/4uEirINrCO

It's not at all common to have them

[u/mkzw211ul → u/TheOrchidsAreAlright]

That thread says the opposite. Iranians have dogs, though strictly speaking they should stay outdoors.

[u/QueerMommyDom]

Because Lebanon declaring war on Israel will do them more harm than good. As things stand, Israel is massacring civilians in a nation they're not even at war with. It makes Israel look so much worse.

If Lebanon did declare war, there wouldn't be much their military could do, and it would play into Israel's rhetoric to the west West of being a Western nation surrounded by anti-western enemies.

[u/PrestigiousFly844]

The answer to your question is in the video. Do you think the US would ever give millions of dollars to a military that would ever oppose Israel?

[u/PickleMortyCoDm]

Lebanon's response to Israel's attacks have been so underwhelming, it really does need to be explored and understood more. I don't really understand it myself

[u/[deleted] → u/PickleMortyCoDm]

The US pays for the Lebanese army and also has sanctions preventing them from buying better weapons. 

Basically it's been set up so that the US's colony, Israel, can continue to invade and occupy Lebanon as it has for years, without being stopped by a proper Lebanese army.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Israel is bombing Beirut and bombing villages, murdering civilians. 

And you didn't watch the video, Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. 

If you had watched the video you'd know that the reason the Lebanese army is leaving defending the country to Hezbollah and other militias is for two reasons: because they have been bought by the west, and because they have been kept small and weak. 

[u/SnooBananas37 → u/[deleted]]

Hezbollah is a "partner" of the government. If it was part of the government, it would answer to the chief executive, have a constitutionally defined role within the government and military structure of Lebanon etc.

There is no such thing. Hezbollah has a political arm that functions as a lobby, party, and voting block that influences the government, but there is no one in Lebanon (who isn't part of the leadership of Hezbollah) who can tell Hezbollah to stop making rocket attacks against Israel (which it has been doing since Israel attacked Hamas as retaliation for the Oct 7th attacks).

[u/[deleted] → u/SnooBananas37]

Hezbollah has ministers in the Lebanese parliament, they are part of the government.

Israel has been occupying parts of Lebanon and invading Lebanese airspace for decades, even since 2006 they continue to occupy and attack Lebanon. 

The US-backed far right regime of Israel is the aggressor in this situation. 

[u/kriznelrok → u/[deleted]]

It’s disappointing how much of a hold the Israeli government has on capitol hill. Mossad has been a national security threat to the US for a very, very long time. But we still have pity for them since WW2 and let them get away with anything they want. Hopefully folks out there understand it’s okay to support the Jewish faith while also condemning Netanyahu.

[u/[deleted] → u/kriznelrok]

I'm Jewish and, like many Jewish people, I see Israel as an antisemitic project, that aims to implicate all Jewish people in a criminal settler colonial project. 

I don't think the US has pity on Israel, I think Israel is a US colony in the middle east.  

Yes, Mossad has effectively bought the US Congress via AIPAC. The US people have traitors in charge.

Edit: it's arms dealers who win, every time. It's arms dealers who want Israel as a US colony, and arms dealers who ensure Mossad can buy politicians to make sure Israel is a US colony.

[u/SnooBananas37 → u/[deleted]]

Hezbollah has ministers in the Lebanese parliament, they are part of the government.

Again, they have no constitutionally defined role and have their own organizational structures distinctly separated from the government.

The US has the federal reserve that acts independently, but is defined by laws passed by Congress and can be dismantled at the pleasure of Congress. Hezbollah can not be defined as existing within Lebanon's government other than as a voting block. It cannot be dismantled, modified, or regulated by the government. Ergo it is not part of the government.

[u/[deleted] → u/SnooBananas37]

You can say all of that about any political party. A political party isn't the US federal reserve. You're making zero sense.

[u/SnooBananas37 → u/[deleted]]

Political parties don't have their own militaries. Political parties participate in government, but are not THE government.

[u/[deleted] → u/SnooBananas37]

Yes, they do. Often. You need to get out more.  

 As to the second bit, yes? Hezbollah participates in government same as other political parties. People from different parties are in the government. Not sure what your point is.

[u/SnooBananas37 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, they do. Often. You need to get out more.  

Ah yes I apologize, I was talking about actual democracies, not failed states and autocracies LARPing as democracies.

Hezbollah participates in government same as other political parties.

Political parties participate in government. They are not THE government, nor have it's own parallel authority. The head of the RNC doesn't have a private army, they don't operate outside of the law. If Congress passed a law regulating campaign finance, the Republicans cannot just ignore those laws and raise funds however they please. And if they do, those responsible will be prosecuted and suffer legal penalties.

Hezbollah does whatever Hezbollah wants. Hezbollah cannot be regulated or legally mandated to give up its weapons. There is no constitutional framework for settling legal disputes between Hezbollah and the government. It will use its army to maintain its authority against the wishes of the government of Lebanon.

Hezbollah isn't a political party, it's a non-state actor and paramilitary that also has a political party.

[u/girl_introspective → u/SnooBananas37]

You’re just lying at this point

[u/SnooBananas37 → u/girl_introspective]

Where's the lie?

[u/TheRedditObserver0]

Because it's a puppet state with a sham military, if it weren't for Hezbollah we would call it northwest Israel today.

[u/TheRedditObserver0 → u/[deleted]]

There IS a resistance, it's called Hezbollah. I have nothing but respect for the Lebanese people, but the government is crap. The Lebanese state is a puppet in the same way the Jordanian state is, I'm not saying Israel should annex Jordan, I'm saying it's a disgrace that British bootlicker of a king is helping defend the Zionists.

[u/Cautious_Ad_6486 → u/[deleted]]

Lol. The same hilarious dynamic of radical left/anti-imperialism/anti-whatever.

This guys pretty much agrees with you yet he does not agree with you in the RIGHT WAY so he must be an imperialist zionist enemy.

Awesome

[u/ChocoChipBets]

They just there freeloading of the populace like politicians

[u/benjismaldieck]

It’s what they want. Kind of like a justification.

[u/xnoinfinity]

Them going to war with Israel or Hezbollah is suicide and it’ll just make things worst rather than bring any good

[u/[deleted]]

Aren't Lebanon and Israel still at war from like 06?

[u/jamesiemcjamesface]

There's a lot of lessons from the Russian Revolution here. Why were the Bolsheviks successful after the "democratic" bourgeois government in Russia came to power? Because, despite the promises of the bourgeois government, they were tied to French, British and US capitalism financially and politically. They therefore had to break all their promises to the people of Russia and continue the war (resulting in at least a million more Russian deaths). The Bolsheviks could see this, and could communicate this fact to the people, resulting in a workers revolution in Ocotober of that year.

[u/Klockworkkarma]

Wow this is truly intriguing. This is the definition of a complex issue (unlike the genocide happening in Gaza ).

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[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Hezbollah was elected and has grassroots support in the south. By definition, they can’t be terrorists 🤷

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Yes. Because here’s the definition of terrorist:

“A person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.”

Hezbollah is part of the legal structure because they were elected by the people of southern Lebanon and are wanted there by those people, and therefore, by definition, cannot be terrorists no matter how much Israel insists so while Israel bombs civilian targets repeatedly.

Save your propaganda buzzwords. No one cares about them anymore.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

You don’t have a response so you try to mock my post history? Then you hand the gall to say I’m making mental gymnastics? Typical. cowardly behavior is a hallmark of Zionists.

[u/Logical_Advisor4534]

Because no one wants hezbollah! No one except those he brainwashed into thinking he is a resistance when he is a militia fighting everywhere

[u/Aristothang → u/Logical_Advisor4534]

No one wants Israel.

[u/Stubbs94 → u/Logical_Advisor4534]

Hezbollah isn't blowing up Beirut right now

[u/Logical_Advisor4534 → u/Stubbs94]

But he did in 7 ayyar. He did when he killed hariri. He did when he killed alot others. He wanted to fight israel w 3a ases ktir awe. Yalla show us! Ntek harimon

[u/Logical_Advisor4534 → u/[deleted]]

Hezbolla does not represent me! Ma tarak saheb la elo so yalla let him deal with israel he has been promising us with a victory like never before! Ntek li nafado

[u/Logical_Advisor4534 → u/[deleted]]

Oh so You are not lebanese and speaking? Hezbolla has killed enough syrians for me to hate him thanks god. I hope each one who murdered a muslim from them dies the worst death 🤲 amin

[u/Logical_Advisor4534 → u/[deleted]]

I dont understand your french arabic. Bas it is ok kun wild el 5ayem coz sayyidna muhammad lived there. Tene shi, nfokho enta w da3esh

[u/modernDayKing → u/[deleted]]

Probably a bot trying to confuse us.

[u/[deleted] → u/Logical_Advisor4534]

What if you’re brainwashed into hating Hezbollah and defending Israeli expansion?

[u/TeaBagHunter → u/Logical_Advisor4534]

You're likely the sanest person on this sub. I'm tired of seeing people glorify hezbollah just because they hate Israel.

[u/Logical_Advisor4534 → u/TeaBagHunter]

Ya khayye hezballa w jame3to mish tabi3iyyeen! They will not accept a president iza they didnt approve him w ekher shi beddon l maseheyye ykuno ma3on. They kill rafik l hariri or kill syrians or do 7 ayyar w beddon l senneyye ma3on. Beddon ykuno khnezir like their asyed w beddon l 3alam thebbon. Yalla farjuni iran w her rooster hassan la wen wassalkon

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[u/Logical_Advisor4534 → u/[deleted]]

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[u/Logical_Advisor4534 → u/TeaBagHunter]

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