We don’t. There are very likely more civilian casualties in Ukraine than in Gaza- at least if we go with the 40,000 dead estimate for Gaza. The United Nations estimates 11,000 dead Ukrainian civilians- but that ‘estimate’ isn’t an estimate, it is literally just the raw number of civilian bodies international organizations have managed to not just find, but locate the identify of, and verify them as actual Ukrainian civilians.
Meaning, that 11,000 dead estimate is completely excluding all civilian deaths that may have occurred within the occupied territories throughout the entirety of the war. And given the many, many mass-graves we found from their Kyiv assault alone, each filled with hundreds of dead civilians? And given how this standard excludes all civilian deaths that are simply not able to be catalogued appropriately (i.e, most of them)?
Like, come on. You know Russia has (according to the United Nations) destroyed or, quote, ‘damaged beyond repair’ roughly 80-95% of all the buildings in the city of Mariupol? Within the first three months of the war? That was a city with a pre-war population greater than 39/50 U.S state capitals. And it’s just fucking gone. It got Dresden’d. It got Hamburg’d. Berlin’d, Warsaw’d, Stalingrad’d, Rotterdam’d, fucking Hiroshima’d. It’s just gone.
Over 200 schools were hit within the first three months of the war. The United Nations estimates over 10,000 cases of rape. Civilian casualties likely exceed the amount of people that have died in fucking Gaza, for goodness sake. We have dozens of cases, all spread out, of Russian soldiers firing upon civilian vehicles. Kharkiv has been struck with over a dozen missile strikes every single day for over a year now, almost all of which go on to strike purely civilian targets. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), as of the 4th of April, 2024, Russia has bombed roughly ~1,682 hospitals and healthcare facilities in Ukraine. Over 1,500 hospitals and healthcare facilities. Like, holy fucking shit.
Ukrainian POWs are being released severely malnourished and mistreated. I watched a video of over a hundred Ukrainian POWs exiting a bus after finally arriving back in Ukraine following a prisoner swap, and I do not exaggerate when I say that every single one of them looked like they just walked out of fucking Auschwitz. I’m serious. I actually went and compared real photos of Auschwitz prisoners out of disbelief, and I’m dead serious when I say they looked almost identical.
Russia has been deliberately targeting energy infrastructure throughout the winter, and almost every single fucking day they hit another apartment complex. The global community overwhelmingly agrees they have been, and currently are, targeting highway intersections at rush hour. They are also being tried for simply fighting- which is a war crime. So is driving around in vehicles marked as ambulances, but we have photos of Russia doing that. We have Ukrainian civilians being forced to wear Russian uniforms so they get shot at by Ukrainian troops while they dig mass graves to put the bodies of other Ukrainian civilians who died being forced to dig trenches.
Tens of thousands of Ukrainian children have been kidnapped and deported to what are literally called ‘re-education’ camps within Russia- hastily made prisons built out of former convention centres, and the like. There are dozens of reports of them being forced to listen to the Russian national anthem on repeat, being forbidden to speak Ukrainian, being told their parents abandoned them, etc. Do you not know just how many people… children, even… report not just witnessing torture take place, but being tortured, personally? The sheer rate of human right abuses in these ‘re-education camps’ is actually fucking unfathonable.
There are dozens, fucking dozens of cases of them launching missiles at civilian structures, and then launching a second missile roughly 30 minutes after. All the time. Over and over and over again. This is clearly an attempt to kill firefighters and medical workers- it’s called a ‘double-tap’ strike. Torture chambers are found en-masse wherever Ukraine liberates territory. I know of videos of fucking children, crying, while confessing to having been tortured there. Apparently, the torture rooms for children are just the same as the others… with the exception that they have carpet. That’s the difference. I remember reading testimony (from a fucking child, my god), about a guy he saw hanging from the ceiling, suspended by hooks in his body, with blood pooling half an inch deep on the floor.
There are videos, made by Russian soldiers, of them openly laughing about the war crimes they have committed. We have leaked footage of a Russian teleconference call literally discussing the logistics of kidnapping children. Russian state-owned media regularly features people openly advocating for the deliberate murder of literally millions of Ukrainians. I remember one clip I watched of someone suggesting Russian soldiers systematically drown Ukrainian children in the Dnipro river. Putin literally denies the existence of a Ukrainian identity.
An article was published exactly 48 hours after the start of the war, on the dot, by Russian state-owned media channel RIA Novosti. It called for, quote, the ‘liquidation’ of the Ukrainian leadership; referred to, quote, the ‘Ukrainian Question’ (sound familiar?); and celebrated the assimilation and obliteration of Ukrainian culture. An exact quote is ‘did the old fools at Berlin and Paris think Kyiv would forever remain out of Russian hands? That the Russians would forever remain a divided people?’. Said article was taken down a few hours later, so clearly it was leaked by accident. Thankfully, it’s available on the Internet archive.
It also talked about Ukraine in past-tense, so it was likely published automatically, and intended to as a celebration for when Russia conquered Ukraine, which explains the to-the-minute perfect timing. It also just goes to show they really did intend to conquer Ukraine in mere days. Which makes sense, we found parade uniforms in the 60 kilometer long tank column that rode in a straight line directly towards Kyiv from the minute the war began, after all. You know, the one Ukraine blunted entirely?
We have over a dozen instances of Ukrainian soldiers being castrated- one of them was caught on video, for the love of god. There is literally a fucking example of Ukrainian civilians being murdered in a literally fucking gas chamber by a Russian general. But it’s just the one example, so no biggie, right? There were photos that surfaced of a Ukrainian soldier, whose head was fucking decapitated and impaled upon a stick outside of Bakhmut. They literally directly struck a tiny, 5x5 meter large Holocaust Memorial, in an empty field, with no military targets of any kind around for miles. It was just a small circle with a statue in the middle, dedicated to a massacre that occurred in that very field, It was less than five meters wide, and yet the very top of the statue was struck directly by an artillery shell, blowing it to pieces. A fucking Holocaust Memorial.
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u/KJongsDongUnYourFace Oct 19 '24
Why have there been less civilian casualties in Ukraine compared to Gaza despite this being a much larger conflict. Weird genocide no?