"So you just want slaves to kill some innocent plantation owner who had nothing to do with them getting captured in Africa as protest????" They are professional officers leading conscript slave battalions. Forcing them towards certain death in combat often under barbaric hyperexploitive conditions under threat of punishment or violence if they refuse. Yes, fragging is morally justified and there are no "innocent" officers once the military pops the lid on forced conscription.
Is this an anarchist sub or something? Your ‘plantation owner’ analogy is complete baloney, Ukrainians as a nation and culture are dealing with an existential threat - plantation owners were using forced labor for solely economic gain. What a bunch of overly dramatic nonsense.
Not to mention you’re all in here clutching your pearls about Ukraine in particular practicing conscription, but an odd lack of pearl clutching posts about Russia doing it in the same war. Very much smells like imperialism bootlicking around here
I literally said its as bad when America, Israel, and Russia does it. Also you simultaneously calling this an "anarchist sub" pejoratively and calling me "overly dramatic" while simultaneously accusing someone speaking out against forced conscription as "imperialism bootlicking" really is proof how much liberals have fully metabolized "progressive language" to justify western militarism. I bet you think everyone who isn't in favor of endless war is a "tankie" too huh?
Also I'm not going to let someone entertain that there's a moral difference here because "slavery was just for economic reasons" when there are very real material and economic incentives for the people waging this war on both sides. These people aren't dying to "preserve their way of life and culture", the war can stop at any point of they agree to a reasonable peace plan. It's not a war of extermination like in WW2. At this point they're just fighting to preserve economic resources in Donbas and strategic resources in Crimea. How is that not a form of forced labor for resource extraction?
Sure it’d be proof of “liberals” doing yada yada… if I was a liberal. We probably align on a whole lot of issues, I just don’t buy into the hug box on this one so I’m alienated as a “lib” for it lol. ‘Western militarism’ oh yea, those pesky Westerners that invaded Ukraine… wait…
Your analogy was awful, period. You aren’t ‘letting’ me do anything when I call out nonsense out for what it is. There are economic benefits for the people waging every war. WW2 was full of them too. I came here because it’s not overrun with Zionists like every other major news sub, but instead I’m seeing its overrun with Putin apologists. It’s gross.
the war can stop at any time if they agree to a reasonable peace
Since you invoked WW2 I assume you know what “appeasement” is, and the history of its efficacy? “Reasonable peace” like when Ukraine ceded Crimea? How can a reasonable peace be made with a nation that has forcibly taken land from you and several others on many occasions in the last 20 years?
it’s not a war of extermination
They are quite literally trying to destroy Ukrainian cultural identity. Separating children from parents to re-educate them on Russian culture and language, destroying cities to be re-built and re-populated by Russians, the list goes on. It’s fits the bill of a genocide by definition - yet for some reason you don’t want to call it that, and would rather the victims of a genocide make a “reasonable peace” with an unreasonable man. Once again I’ll say it is gross.
So yes, you are being overly dramatic about conscription. How can we explain terrorism as a natural form of resistance against an occupier, but conscription is where we draw the line? I guess you just want to wait until Ukraine is a sliver on the map like Gaza and then it’s okay for the people to resist.
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u/DankTell Oct 17 '24
So you want them to kill someone who had nothing to do with their conscription as a protest?