r/InternationalNews Jul 09 '24

International The Jewish Council of Australia issued a statement that accuses Israel of misappropriating the Star of David.

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u/worldm21 Jul 09 '24

Yes, Judaism when it started appears to have basically been about providing a religious belief system for military nationalism. "God chose us and will grant us victory over the assholes next door." Then they started compiling laws, and life advice, a creation myth, etc., next to it, and lo and behold, 3000 years later, half the world's religious thinking is built around this. It does humanity far more harm than good, to believe these texts are something more than something somebody wrote down a few thousand years ago.

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u/worldm21 Jul 09 '24

Well, back to the original comment from Zosimas - the book doesn't prohibit "sin" in all contexts, it glorifies some of the worst atrocities imaginable. So a more plausible hypothesis is that it was designed to justify that kind of behavior.

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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt Jul 09 '24

IMHO religion is an early intent to rationalize the unknown and the unexplained by our earlier ancestors

Basically because knowing one surroundings and hazards is a survival mechanism so explanations and possible risks for the unexplained were made up since it's more comforting, i .e. it gives us the semantics to explain the reason for lighting to others and ogg dying from it

Once rational philosophy came along religion stayed because it was codified into tradition that contained valuable survival teachings even if embedded between the bull

And once part of the culture is hard to get rid of it despite of the nonsense

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u/Worth-Drawing-6836 Jul 09 '24

Look, their argument may not be 100% logically sound but at least they're speaking out against Israel. Anyway, Israel does fly in the face of Judaism as Judaism states that jews can't rule in the state of Israel until the messiah comes.

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u/Zosimas Jul 09 '24

Look, their argument may not be 100% logically sound but at least they're speaking out against Israel.

I kinda agree, but at the same time zionists use the Bible (among other things) as justification and a blueprint for Israel. Saying that its worldview is barbaric and shoudl stay a thing of Bronze Age/antiquity would be IMO more helpful, but I guess what we've got here is better than nothing.

Anyway, Israel does fly in the face of Judaism as Judaism states that jews can't rule in the state of Israel until the messiah comes.

Israel flies in the face of humanity in the first place, so if someone rejects their politics on the basis of theological details rather than this, they don't really deserve respect.

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u/Worth-Drawing-6836 Jul 10 '24

so if someone rejects their politics on the basis of theological details rather than this, they don't really deserve respect

Optics and pragmatism brother.

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u/ACatInAHat Jul 09 '24

Then Samson prayed to the Lord, "Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other, Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived.

Its from the Book of Judges since Jews dont do the whole bible thing. They didnt like the last half with a new forced main character. Actually several Jewish theologians and scholars have engaged with the challenging aspects of the violent verses in the Torah. Christians argue that their faith places a strong emphasis on Christ (duh), whose teachings of peace and love are considered definitive.

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u/LucasDuranT Jul 10 '24

Reading the old testament, yhwh seems like a god of war

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