r/InternationalNews • u/isawasin • Jul 09 '24
International The Jewish Council of Australia issued a statement that accuses Israel of misappropriating the Star of David.
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u/isawasin Jul 09 '24
08.07.24 - The statement noted that "Israel's soldiers have been documented emblazoning the Star of David on Palestinian prisoners, graffitiing it on the walls of houses they loot in Gaza, and using tanks to sear it into the rubble of what used to be recreation parks for families.'" It therefore said that "these actions place all Jewish people at risk by tarnishing us with these egregious human rights abuses."
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u/HowVeryReddit Jul 09 '24
Israel commits war crimes in the supposed name of Judaism, antisemitism arises in response, Israel uses this as evidence they're necessary as as haven for Jews. Feature, not a bug.
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u/JadedPilot5484 Jul 09 '24
Antisemitism has been alive in Christianity and elsewhere for centuries but that’s not a defensive of Israel or the genocide they are carrying out in Palestine. Netanyahu just said he needs five more years to eradicate Hamas, in actually he needs 5 more years to eradicate the Palestinians so they can settle Palestine.
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u/80sLegoDystopia Jul 09 '24
Correct. Antisemitism is a moral rot that is exacerbated by Israel’s occupation of Palestine and Zionism in general.
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u/wein_geist Jul 09 '24
Who can blame the Palestinians, if they then use the words Jew and Israeli interchangebly, if the only connection for them to judaism and its symbols are death, destruction and misery.
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u/ahm911 Jul 09 '24
I don't blame a palestenian dying for navigating sensitive vernacular when their biggest risk is whether a dumb bomb is going to take them out.
Vs if my latte has soy or Oat milk in it
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u/SpinningHead Jul 09 '24
Same with the Irish using anti-Protestant language. Its not because of an innate hatred of Protestantism.
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u/javierich0 Jul 09 '24
More Jewish people need to publicly condemn and call out Israel for what they are and what they are doing. I have huge respect for Jewish people who stand against Israel.
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u/SkirtNo6785 Jul 09 '24
Like the Jewish people in Germany getting arrested for inciting racial hatred by protesting against Israel.
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u/TayluxSwift Jul 09 '24
Yes just like how nazis have ruined the swastika symbol we cannot allow it to happen again
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u/Srinema Jul 09 '24
Buddy, the Swastika is older than Judaism itself. Chill out.
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u/Srinema Jul 10 '24
I mean, both the Nazis and the Zionists have committed genocide and both have appropriated symbols of peace. If acknowledging the desecration of a Jewish symbol is anti-Semitic then I can’t help you.
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u/S-Katon Jul 10 '24
The swastika is an ancient symbol for the source of all life. Hitler ruined it just like Israel is ruining the Mogen David. Fuck you.
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u/mkzw211ul Jul 09 '24
They won't. This is how it is. Jewish identity is linked to Israeli politics.
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u/Capable-Win-6674 Jul 09 '24
I disagree. There was a phase of people telling every Muslim leader to publicly condemn ISIS and it was really uncool
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u/Evening_Jury_5524 Jul 09 '24
It's a little different, being an ethnoreligipn that I believe any Jew around the world can visit with Israel paying for their ticket- and anyone who condemns ISIS isn't labeled as Islamaphobic. People who condemn Israel are labeled anti-semetic, so it's important for Jewish people themselves to speak up.
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u/Capable-Win-6674 Jul 09 '24
You’re right but I don’t think the burden is on regular Jewish people who aren’t involved to step up. On the other hand we should be castigating people who dismiss Jewish voices. Loads of people claiming Jewish Voice for Peace are apparently just Iranian plants or some bullshit.
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u/Evening_Jury_5524 Jul 09 '24
Isn't it? Kind of the same way it was on white Americans to show solidarity with BLM, specifically because they were part of the demographic perpetrating the issue.
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u/Capable-Win-6674 Jul 09 '24
The distinction is Jewish people vs Israelis
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u/Evening_Jury_5524 Jul 09 '24
And for my analogous situation, White Americans vs White cops.
It's very important for the latter to condemn the actions, but still important for the former to do so as well.
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u/Capable-Win-6674 Jul 09 '24
If we’re talking Israelis then yes. Also would love more protections for people who want to speak up. There are a lot of organisations that just go around doxing people as ‘anti semitic’ for being against genocide. I’m scared I’ll lose my job sometimes too
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u/Evening_Jury_5524 Jul 09 '24
The thing is, any Jew can automatically become an Israeli citizen by chopsing to do so. So being Jewish vs being Israeli isn't as removed as any other religion and country that I know of.
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u/Riaayo Jul 09 '24
You're allowing Israel to conflate Zionism with Judaism here.
I think it is important for Jewish people to speak out, but only because it helps to expose the bullshit "antisemitic" attack on critics. In the end, it's on every human being to speak out on this because it is a genocide.
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u/Capable-Win-6674 Jul 09 '24
I get that but it’s about the intent and involvement. Why should some random Jewish person from Indiana who knows zero about their heritage bear any responsibility to speak up because Israel said they can join the club if they want?
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u/mkzw211ul Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
The JC of Australia aren't the good guys. They are happy to exterminate the Palestinians. This is just some bullshit distraction or a PR move. They were 100% behind the destruction of Gaza before.
Source: I've grown up for decades with the white South African and Jewish diaspora. They tell me exactly what they think, and they believe that bombing hospitals is necessary, and Hamas needs to be exterminated no matter the cost, and civilian casualties are human shields. Don't make excuses, own your decisions
Edit : I ask my friends, how many Palestinians need to die for you to be satisfied. They say, as many as necessary to free the hostages. And these are mainstream average folks 🤷
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u/modernDayKing Jul 09 '24
So uhm. You should uh maybe consider new friends.
In all honestly they only made this statement because things are so out of hand Israel is irrevocably making Judaism look bad.
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u/PrinceofBelmore Jul 10 '24
The Jewish council of Australia is a new organisation made after oct7 to give a voice to Jews who are being misrepresented by Israel and Zionism. In a way they're similar to JWP in America Think you're confusing this organisation with something else
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u/mkzw211ul Jul 20 '24
Ok. Maybe I was getting their statements mixed up with ECAJ. I'll look at what the JCA are saying. Thanks
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u/therewillbeniccage Jul 09 '24
Need more good Jews condemning Israel. Great stuff
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u/isawasin Jul 10 '24
Highlighting the words and actions of Jewish people of conscience on this genocide will often get you accused to tokenism by zionists. Please don't make it easy for them by calling these people good Jews, they aren't. They're either just good people or, as an organisation, they read the writing on the wall and have decided they can't stay silent any longer.
All credit due to them to for finally taking a stand, but 'finally' is right. They're making this statement after 9 months of slaughter that many of us (including many Jewish people and other Jewish organisations) have been condemning from the start.
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u/worldm21 Jul 09 '24
Yes, Judaism when it started appears to have basically been about providing a religious belief system for military nationalism. "God chose us and will grant us victory over the assholes next door." Then they started compiling laws, and life advice, a creation myth, etc., next to it, and lo and behold, 3000 years later, half the world's religious thinking is built around this. It does humanity far more harm than good, to believe these texts are something more than something somebody wrote down a few thousand years ago.
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u/worldm21 Jul 09 '24
Well, back to the original comment from Zosimas - the book doesn't prohibit "sin" in all contexts, it glorifies some of the worst atrocities imaginable. So a more plausible hypothesis is that it was designed to justify that kind of behavior.
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u/urmomaisjabbathehutt Jul 09 '24
IMHO religion is an early intent to rationalize the unknown and the unexplained by our earlier ancestors
Basically because knowing one surroundings and hazards is a survival mechanism so explanations and possible risks for the unexplained were made up since it's more comforting, i .e. it gives us the semantics to explain the reason for lighting to others and ogg dying from it
Once rational philosophy came along religion stayed because it was codified into tradition that contained valuable survival teachings even if embedded between the bull
And once part of the culture is hard to get rid of it despite of the nonsense
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u/Worth-Drawing-6836 Jul 09 '24
Look, their argument may not be 100% logically sound but at least they're speaking out against Israel. Anyway, Israel does fly in the face of Judaism as Judaism states that jews can't rule in the state of Israel until the messiah comes.
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u/Zosimas Jul 09 '24
Look, their argument may not be 100% logically sound but at least they're speaking out against Israel.
I kinda agree, but at the same time zionists use the Bible (among other things) as justification and a blueprint for Israel. Saying that its worldview is barbaric and shoudl stay a thing of Bronze Age/antiquity would be IMO more helpful, but I guess what we've got here is better than nothing.
Anyway, Israel does fly in the face of Judaism as Judaism states that jews can't rule in the state of Israel until the messiah comes.
Israel flies in the face of humanity in the first place, so if someone rejects their politics on the basis of theological details rather than this, they don't really deserve respect.
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u/Worth-Drawing-6836 Jul 10 '24
so if someone rejects their politics on the basis of theological details rather than this, they don't really deserve respect
Optics and pragmatism brother.
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u/ACatInAHat Jul 09 '24
Then Samson prayed to the Lord, "Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get revenge on the Philistines for my two eyes." Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other, Samson said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived.
Its from the Book of Judges since Jews dont do the whole bible thing. They didnt like the last half with a new forced main character. Actually several Jewish theologians and scholars have engaged with the challenging aspects of the violent verses in the Torah. Christians argue that their faith places a strong emphasis on Christ (duh), whose teachings of peace and love are considered definitive.
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u/Ok_Spend_889 Jul 09 '24
Isreal does not represent all the Jews or their ideals. Just like America doesn't represent all English speakers of the world.
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Jul 09 '24
I think they know exactly what they were doing, back when Zionism was in it's early stages of [development] (https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-%E2%80%9Cstar-of-Remphan%E2%80%9D-mentioned-in-the-Bible )
What you need to understand is the Freemason connection to Zionism. The most obvious link is through the Rothschild family, who were famous for being [Frankists] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism) , but also for their assistance in the creation of the subdivision of Freemasonry that is well known as the illuminati.
These people subverting culture and killing with reckless abandon in Israel are [Sabbatean] (https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/1666-and-the-sabbatean-roots-of-the-new-world-disorder/250996063) jews. Zionists are descended from a literally twisted ideology.
edit: My hyperlinks didn't work, but fuck it
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u/adminsrlying2u Jul 10 '24
That's the problem of having imaginary lala death god cults lay claims to real world land as "holy" in religious texts that are clearly even lying in the context of biblical scholars trying to find any basis for it in real history.
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u/ozninja80 Jul 09 '24
Kinda interesting under the circumstances that the Jewish Council of Australia seems more concerned with the misappropriation of their precious star than the widespread massacre of innocent civilians, but hey, each to their own I guess.
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u/Appolo0 Jul 09 '24
It's not just misappropriation, it's downright corruption of a religious symbol, PRECISELY through the widespread massacre of innocent civilians. For you it's the massacre, for them is the massacre + the association of God with it. And yeah it's heavier.
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u/_lucky_cat Jul 09 '24
Nah the JCA are solid. They have been against the genocide from the beginning, supported pro Palestine protests, and have been calling for the aus government to sanction Israel.
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u/mkzw211ul Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Bullshit. JCA and the broader Jewish Australian diaspora have been more than happy for Gazans to be eliminated. They just nervous now about the blowback that comes when everyone realised they support genocide.
In my own professional group it's accepted that military strikes against hospitals are justified because Hamas.
Seiously, just own up to your position. Australia supports Israel even if there is genocide so you don't need to be shy about it. Be bold and say you want to do to the Gazans as you did to the Amalek. (you know people can read the Hebrew media)
Maybe you have limited exposure to the broader Jewish community. Because what you say is very different to what i am told directly by senior educated professional community leaders.
It's ok, really. You'll be fine. You'll never suffer any consequences. You can lie to me, just be honest to yourself.
What will you say to God when you are asked, "where is your brother?"
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u/orangotai Jul 10 '24
it's over Israel, you have lost The Jewish Council of Australia now. game over.
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