Zelenskyy accuses China of pressuring other countries not to attend upcoming Ukraine peace talks

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https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-singapore-shangrila-russia-defense-94ebb72539182a0215c85895725cdd48

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First: The Euromaidan was not a “coup”; that’s just pro-Kremlin disinformation

To prove me wrong, you cited a think tank funded by Oil giants, bankers, war profiteers, and other state department linked ghouls, lovely.

This was the case in the 2004–5 Orange Revolution, where foreign NGOs changed little about Ukraine’s corruption and authoritarianism, but achieved the crucial goal of nudging Ukraine’s foreign policy westward. As the liberal Center for American Progress put it that year:

Did Americans meddle in the internal affairs of Ukraine? Yes. The American agents of influence would prefer different language to describe their activities — democratic assistance, democracy promotion, civil society support, etc. — but their work, however labeled, seeks to influence political change in Ukraine.

This was the case in the 2004–5 Orange Revolution, where foreign NGOs changed little
about Ukraine’s corruption and authoritarianism, but achieved the
crucial goal of nudging Ukraine’s foreign policy westward. As the
liberal Center for American Progress put it that year:
Did Americans meddle in the internal affairs of Ukraine?
Yes. The American agents of influence would prefer different language to
describe their activities — democratic assistance, democracy promotion,
civil society support, etc. — but their work, however labeled, seeks to
influence political change in Ukraine

While it may be a long time before we know its full extent, Washington took an even more direct role once the turmoil started. Senators John McCain and Chris Murphy met with Svoboda’s fascist leader, standing shoulder to shoulder with him as they announced their support to the protesters, while US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland handed out sandwiches to them. To understand the provocative nature of such moves, you only need to remember the establishment outrage over the mere idea Moscow had used troll farms to voice support for Black Lives Matter protests.

So all in all, US backed Right wing actors who sniped police and innocent people, forced the elected president to abdicate under the threat of death isn't a coup? Well it's not like political dissidents have been silenced since then...right? Oh wait no, everyone who doesn't agree with thinning Ukraine's population must be a subversive russia agent! Yeah, that'll justify banning political opposition and remaining president even though his term already expired.

"But the Ukranian constitution allows it!" I'm pretty sure it doesn't allow lifetime appointment, which Z-man is on track to becoming, seeing as Blinken said there would be elections so long as Ukranian territory is occupied. That either means war is going to happen forever/ eastern ukraine is going to rejoin. I can assure you the latter isn't going to happen.

If this was truly about the expansion of NATO (which, to be clear, is a defensive coalition intended to protect against exactly this kind of thing)

I feel so defended with the genocide happening in Palestine, the overthrow of libya, the destruction of iraq, afghanistan, the bombing of Yugoslavia. Wholesome chungus defensive pact!

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Pooty said this was a military action to get rid of nazis before delivering his own blood and soil speech though. So which is it?

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Do I think that's why he did it? No, not really, but nazism does very well exist in Ukraine and very healthily so. I think the talk of denazification was mostly for his home base. Though I'd say almost wiping out the azov banderites is pretty close to that.

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wait 'til you hear about Russia's neo-nazi problem.

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Nazism isn't illegal in Ukraine. Not even really comparable.

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Wagner group says otherwise.

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The group that had it's leader killed by putin?

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The group founded by neo-nazis and named after a musician idolized by the Nazis.