You are talking about collapse of the world order. Critising in the end means little, the fact that its happening in the first place, thats a better sign of such a collapse and this has been happening for a long time.
You had chemical weapons used by assad on civilians during trumps term where many thousands were killed.
That wasnt a sign of collapsing world order?
Streaming of those conflicts isnt sth new.
You had chemical weapons used in karabalh by both sides during trumps term, atleast one used it inside a city with civilians. Was sth serious done about it? Nah.
It is naive to think that this wasnt done in the past for many years.
Heck, you can go to vietnam war livestreaming done by TV where atrocities were commited and chemical weapons used. Maybe that was the point when the world order you are speaking of collapsed? What does that even mean?
im not naive enough to not now that it has being happening this entire time. Vietnam, laos, iraq, afaghanistan... and those are simply USA war crimes. What i argue is that THIS is a point of no return, the writing is on the wall, the fire is on and there is no going back. Now everybody knows, not only those who were paying attention like in previous conflicts. Social media has made sure that previous methods of brushing over this crimes are ineffective, forcing the supposedly FREE WORLD to turn onto itself with with authoritarianism and outright fascistic methods and angering living and incoming generations. Who is gonna fight for its own countries after they defend the indefensible? what's gonna happen when more gazas and mariupols are being created? how can these ''democracies'' can be maintained without the support of the population? etc...
World order and international laws are dead and we know who killed them
Nah, its not. You are overblowing it by a long shot. And i dont see how defending sth that an ally is doing is worse when you are doing it yourself. Did usa collapse after vietnam war? Did people stopped working in us army after vietnam war at any point in the next decades? Nah.
Also you assume the whole planet talks about whats happening in Gaza. They are not. Its maybe a 3rd tier topic in the region where i live, its even less important for asian countries.
Adding to the orignal topic of the discussion. We dont even know if it was ukraine that did it. FSB blew up buildings inside russia to spurr support for the chechen war, i see no reason why wouldnt they do it again.
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u/nudzimisie1 May 13 '24
You are talking about collapse of the world order. Critising in the end means little, the fact that its happening in the first place, thats a better sign of such a collapse and this has been happening for a long time. You had chemical weapons used by assad on civilians during trumps term where many thousands were killed. That wasnt a sign of collapsing world order?
Streaming of those conflicts isnt sth new. You had chemical weapons used in karabalh by both sides during trumps term, atleast one used it inside a city with civilians. Was sth serious done about it? Nah.
It is naive to think that this wasnt done in the past for many years. Heck, you can go to vietnam war livestreaming done by TV where atrocities were commited and chemical weapons used. Maybe that was the point when the world order you are speaking of collapsed? What does that even mean?