r/InternationalNews • u/UXUI75 • Apr 15 '24
Middle East Jordan, which defended Israel last night by neutralizing much of the Iranian attack on its airspace, has still not been officially thanked by Israel.
Source : The Spectators
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Apr 15 '24
Israel Thanking Arabs?
not in this lifetime!!!
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u/Best-Research4022 Apr 15 '24
Jordan probably asked for no official response from Israel, damned if they do and damned if they don’t
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u/CheekyPickle69 Apr 15 '24
Yeah the monarchy is already treading a thin line between pleasing the US and not completely pissing off its own population. Being thanked by Israel might be enough to push the local population even further against the monarchy than it’s already been with all the protests
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u/b3141592 Apr 15 '24
Yup, if Israel publicly thanks Jordan, you'll quickly find the king's head on a pike as the country explodes
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u/CheekyPickle69 Apr 15 '24
The king is in a tough spot. He has to comply with Israeli and American demands or they’ll force regime change and being in a puppet who will do what they want (Egypt, Libya ect) AND he also has to try and not push his people over the red line into rebellion and cause a revolution it he’ll also get ousted
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u/TheJordanianYoutuber Apr 15 '24
Neither the US nor the Israelis, hell even the Saudis, would want a Jordan suffering from civil war. They all know that Iran would instantly take advantage of this situation, and the Israelis would be most vulnerable given that they share the longest border with Jordan.
They would definitely come to the monarchy’s aid if shit hits the fan. Otherwise, they’d support the closest pro-west group in a hypothetical civil war.
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u/readitpropaganda Apr 15 '24
Have not seen a kings head on a spike in years. It's highly recommended by the medieval peasants.
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u/gracespraykeychain Apr 15 '24
I mean, I think Jordan did the right thing here. Their own people could've been hurt by missiles. I am not rooting for death and destruction, unlike the Israelis.
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u/CheekyPickle69 Apr 15 '24
Bro parts of missiles were raining down on Amman. The government put their own people in direct danger by shooting them down for Israel over their own peoples heads
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u/gracespraykeychain Apr 16 '24
So they should've just let the missiles hit? Is that your position?
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u/CheekyPickle69 Apr 17 '24
No, but protecting a rogue state which your entire population already hates while also endangering your civilian population for the protection of said state is a bad look. If Jordanians didn’t already think King Abdullah prioritised his own and western interests rather than that of his peoples, they do now. There’s a reason he’s already unpopular not only in Jordan, but among many Arabs
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u/gracespraykeychain Apr 17 '24
I understand the criticism, but what do you think Jordan should've differently done in this scenario?
I also personally don't want to see Israelis or Jordanians or anyone get hurt. (I don't think Iran did either, at least in this case, because they gave notice and actually made steps to minimize civilian casualties, the thing the Israeli state constantly claims it does but doesn't actually do l. )
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u/CheekyPickle69 Apr 18 '24
Well that’s the issue, Jordan doesn’t have much wiggle room. I’m sure if they chose not to participate or open their airspace to western fighters the western fighters would have entered their airspace and violated it regardless. Just an extremely poor look prioritising Israeli safety over that of your own civilians. They need to be careful. But escalation is the worst case scenario for the Jordanian monarchy, especially with what’s going on in Palestine. Because they can’t please both sides
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u/GreekG33k Apr 15 '24
This guy gets it 👆 it's likely they don't want that level of official attention to their actions
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u/peppapig34 Apr 15 '24
That's probably the case. Jordan did secretly warn Israel about a Syrian invasion a few days before the Yom Kippur war. I believe the turning point in Jordan's attitude would Black September. King Hussain didn't like how the PLO tried to overthrow him, so I think they now, secretly, support Israel, at least just a little.
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u/ibn-al-mtnaka Egypt Apr 15 '24
There was no turning point. His father was a CIA agent. He’s merely protecting the status quo.
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u/GitmoGrrl1 Apr 15 '24
Is no secret that the King of Jordan considers Joe Biden an old friend. He's no fool. He knows that Netanyahu wants to widen the war. When Joe Biden talked to him he knew that the President's goal was to prevent that from happening. The King trusts Joe Biden. He doesn't trust Netanyahu.
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u/Impressive_Heron_897 Apr 15 '24
Na, it's about politics, not gratefulness. If you can't see that, you aren't paying attention.
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Apr 16 '24
The hatred of Israel runs so deep and so petty. Anything to condemn the enemy of Islamic jihad
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u/Hardthunk Apr 15 '24
They probably don't want to be friends. The map for Greater Israel includes all of Jordan, and Lebanon, most of Syria, Iraq, and parts of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey.
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u/GitmoGrrl1 Apr 15 '24
It sounds like a conspiracy until you find out the goals of the Revisionist Zionists haven't changed in a century: Their motto Greater Israel "on both sides of the river" means taking Jordan. They want Lebanon as a Christian controlled client state.
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Apr 15 '24
And this isn't like Soviet Union taking over a country, where they welcome the citizens as equals and just take over the government. Zionists will take over the land and "purify" it. Right now they are purifying Gaza.
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u/KindaStableGenius Apr 15 '24
Weird characterization of the USSR benevolently taking over eastern europe like it wasn’t a brutal military occupation that calcified into de facto control of most aspects of public life by the Kremlin.
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u/Arvy1325 Apr 15 '24
He must be some communist sympathiser... coz Jesus, Soviet Union and Stalin are responsible for insane amount of deaths
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u/ICantWatchYouDoThis Apr 15 '24
Jesus, Soviet Union and Stalin are responsible for insane amount of deaths
that comma makes it look like Jesus is responsible for insane amount of deaths too, lol
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u/Arvy1325 Apr 15 '24
Dafuq do you mean "welcome citizens as equals"? Dude, there were literal deportations to Siberia by the Soviets...
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u/Burning_IceCube Apr 15 '24
proportionality my friend. Israel is straight up an apartheid state that is worse than south africa was.
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u/Arvy1325 Apr 15 '24
I'm not defending Israel, just it sounds ridiculous when they depict Soviet Union as some nice place while it was actually hell for many people there
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u/greenejames681 Apr 15 '24
My man got downvoted for this ffs
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Apr 15 '24
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u/Skeptix_907 Apr 15 '24
My entire father's side lived in Lithuania in peace post-war. Granted, my father almost got sent to the gulag work camps for getting into an argument with a local official.
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u/UnderstandingTop7916 Apr 15 '24
Cause he’s wrong.
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u/greenejames681 Apr 15 '24
That the Soviet Union was a hellish place? Have you read a history book?
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u/understepped Apr 15 '24
Why even bother reading books, when there is this great historian who has online lectures, and who also happens to be the president of Russia? He tells everything exactly how it was, never exaggerating or pushing his own agenda, cause he’s such a great and honest man. He even invited the most prominent and trusted journalist in all Americas to listen to his lecture recently, it was a blast.
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u/AmethystSparrow202 Apr 15 '24
No...? Soviets definitely didn't treated citizens as equals. Just look up how many polish, german, slovak, czech etc. women were raped by them. Also, after the war they treated central and eastern Europe pretty much as a colonies. I know, i'm from one of this countries, so i heard first- and secondhand stories.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not a fan of Israel, but what you're saying is straight up bullshit.
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u/Enposadism Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
If you want an example of a place treated as a colony, look no further than Puerto Rico which didn't even have a 90% literacy rate until the USSR collapsed.
There's no colonist in history that instead of exploiting resources: rapidly industrialised its colonies, raising their living standards to a comparable level with the coloniser.
Lithuania was a backwards agricultural state under the Tsar. Its industrial output increased 54 times between 1940 and 1978, compared with a 20 times average among other Soviet republic states.
By 1970 the average wage level in the Asian Republics was 7% below the all-Soviet average while the highest earner, Estonia, was only 11% higher than the average in income. In comparison the income gap between America and Puerto Rico only continued to increased throughout the 70s. The US has an 189% lead in median household income. The poverty rate of Puerto Ricans was 43% as of 2023.
Soviet "colonies" were also provided with the exact same social welfare policies as the Soviet Russian state. The United States refuses to provide free healthcare and education to its own populace, much less its neocolonies.
When has a coloniser closed the income and living standard gap between the coloniser and the colonised? The United States hasn't even closed the income gap between white families and black families.
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u/Halbaras Apr 15 '24
Ah yes, the USSR definitely didn't deport entire ethnicities out of sheer paranoia.
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u/truthishearsay Apr 15 '24
Umm I don’t think the Soviets welcomed the citizens as equals.
They had a long history of “replacement” of the previous inhabitants.
The Soviet Union’s tactic was to forcibly move the previous population and scatter them around the empire so they weren’t in groups of their own people.
They’d then move their own population to the new territory. They did exactly this in Crimea as example.
The Soviets murdered more people in Poland than the Nazis did..
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Apr 16 '24
This reads like a deep conspiracy/anti-Israel hate theory does it not?
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u/GitmoGrrl1 Apr 16 '24
Nope. You need to read more and pay attention. If somebody told you that Netanyahu encouraged Qatar to help Hamas you would probably think it was a conspiracy but it's a fact.
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Apr 15 '24
They are the most delulu people in the world. Are they gonna have those lands with what 14 million of people?
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Apr 15 '24
Nah, they will slaughter them all like they're doing right now in Gaza. They will make their little lebenstraum
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u/Dantheking94 Apr 15 '24
Yeh I was gonna say, doesn’t Israel have eyes on Jordan’s territory, which is ostensibly the better land..
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u/UnGrownPotato Apr 16 '24
Is this a parody on the greater Syria ? , honestly this sounds kinda Alex Jones to me
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u/gregregory Apr 15 '24
Insane how a thread of insane conspiracy is getting so many upvotes when Israelis and their politicians couldn’t care about any of this territory. Especially Turkey? Wtf? “Greater Israel” means nothing.
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u/Joshistotle Apr 15 '24
The supply lines for I_ S___ , if you look at the officially available maps, were connected directly to Turkiye and Jordan. Keeping in mind most of that area is barren land, it's clear that only Western audiences with limited knowledge of geography believed the official narrative that "no one knows who was supplying it".
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u/mancho98 Apr 15 '24
Jordan defending a country that wants to expand into Jordanian territory... my goodness. What a confusing region.
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u/BBWpounder1993 Apr 15 '24
The Jordanian King is quite literally a traitor
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u/Schvltzy Apr 15 '24
It’s even worse when you remember that millions of Jordanians came from (themselves or past family members) Palestine, and the people of Jordan are very close to Palestinians.
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u/I_am_back_2023 Apr 15 '24
He's just doing his job defined by his employers. (USA/Israel) I have no idea why he's (supposedly) popular in Jordan. The whole Middle East is full of rulers like him.
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u/Roxylius Apr 15 '24
Like it or not, he brought stability to his country by being obedient errand boy for America and Israel.
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u/Kate090996 Apr 15 '24
It would have been worse for Iran if there were many casualties. Iran wanted to be smoke show
The Jordanian king has the interests of palestinians in sight, they aren't always that visible.
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u/Wrong_Mastodon_4935 Apr 15 '24
This isn't Jordan defending Israel, this is Jordan defending their airspace. Jordan can't allow military rockets and drones fly over their country without intercepting them. Must suck to be the country in between Iran and Israel, or any country around Israel really.
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u/Halbaras Apr 15 '24
Not many countries are going to tolerate drones and ballistic missiles being shot over their air space, Jordan absolutely doesn't want Iran to bring the conflict to their country. Turkey shot down a Russian plane and killed a pilot for straying just a little over the border a few years ago, this is similar.
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u/AlexDaron Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
Isreal will thank Jordan when Jordan gives away its territory to Greater Israel.
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u/OnlyToStudy Apr 15 '24
They still won't thank them. It's their right, from like 3000 years ago when there were like 400 people on earth. All that land is theirs. In fact, most of Asia and Africa belongs to the Jews. How could we be so blatantly antisemitic
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u/ypples_and_bynynys Apr 15 '24
But try to explain about how Israel took the land from the Canaanites…who are the ancestors of many Arab cultures and they go silent. Israelis were not the indigenous people in that area. Canaanites were.
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u/curebdc Apr 15 '24
Imagine being Jordan in the last 48 hours.
Get threatened by Iran to not interfere.
Interfere.
Get no assurances from Israel or the US.
Profit?!
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u/Joshistotle Apr 15 '24
As in prior decades, the most compliant leaders of these nations are bribed/blackmailed by foreign powers.
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u/AffectionateVast5755 Apr 15 '24
Jordan’s is America’s bitch.
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u/7374616e74 Apr 15 '24
If I understood well, most countries in the region is kind of US's bitch to some extent.
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Apr 15 '24
They're what is mentioned in Quran: Munafiq's
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u/Schvltzy Apr 15 '24
Saudi too?
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u/OnlyToStudy Apr 15 '24
All of them except yemen and Iran.
I say that, but it's only the ruling class. The vast majority of the population abhor Israel for what it's doing. Probably hate Jordan too at this point
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u/JavdanOfTheCities Apr 15 '24
They are in the middle of the road. They still can redeem themselves.
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Abdullah II sold Jordan to Israel back in the 90s.
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u/Kvohlu Apr 15 '24
I mean his rule literally started in 99 so I think you're talking about king hussein? Maybe?
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u/Sabotage_9 Apr 15 '24
The Jordanian government doesn't want Israel to thank it publicly because it would just piss the Jordanian people off even more. And Israel knows this.
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u/CommandersRock1000 Apr 15 '24
Honestly a thank-you from Israel would just make the Jordanian government look even worse in the eyes of its citizens.
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u/throwRA786482828 Apr 15 '24
Jordan has always been on the precipice of revolution. Everyone is already nervous about the succession given the family drama that went on and how unpopular/ weak the crown prince is.
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Apr 15 '24
Any chance of a quick eli5 on jordanian politics and why crown prince is 'disliked', for want of a better term?
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u/throwRA786482828 Apr 15 '24
Honestly, I’m just regurgitating what I’ve been told/ seen from Jordanians. The crown prince is basically seen as white washed and, much like his father, had poor command of Arabic and doesn’t exude confidence/ Arabness. He’s seen almost as a foreigner.
Also, he was put in the line of succession by his father who removed the very popular hamzah (brother of the current king) who the military loves along with the indigenous Jordanian tribes (basically the core of the Jordanian state and they enjoy benefits that naturalized Jordanians don’t). This is ironic because Hussein named Abdullah as his heir instead of his very popular brother talal.
So like father like son almost. And there is not so bad theory that the current king and his son are favorites of the west as opposed to talal and hamzah who are more aligned with Jordanian’s actual views and interests.
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Apr 15 '24
Thanks! The only thing I know about Jordan is this girl I went to school with for a year, 20something years ago, and I'm still in love lol. And where it is on a map.
(she was from there, not called that. just thought I'd clarify)
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u/Jumpy_Conference1024 Apr 15 '24
Do you have any additional context for this? It sounds kinda interesting
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u/throwRA786482828 Apr 15 '24
My response to someone else
Honestly, I’m just regurgitating what I’ve been told/ seen from Jordanians. The crown prince is basically seen as white washed and, much like his father, had poor command of Arabic and doesn’t exude confidence/ Arabness. He’s seen almost as a foreigner.
Also, he was put in the line of succession by his father who removed the very popular hamzah (brother of the current king) who the military loves along with the indigenous Jordanian tribes (basically the core of the Jordanian state and they enjoy benefits that naturalized Jordanians don’t). This is ironic because Hussein named Abdullah as his heir instead of his very popular brother talal.
So like father like son almost. And there is not so bad theory that the current king and his son are favorites of the west as opposed to talal and hamzah who are more aligned with Jordanian’s actual views and interests.
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u/TooGoood Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
The King of Tomato's
Bought and paid for by the United states of America.
I feel bad for the average Jordanian and the shame and disillusion they must be feeling right now. Their sub is just full of people going "wtf" and Israeli AI bots defending the government and spewing Shia v.s. Sunni None sense.
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u/nada8 Apr 15 '24
Fuck everybody that mentions religion in this sub. The Palestinian cause was hijacked by islamists and this is the cause of the world being disinterested in them. Remember how many people died since 47 and nobody gave a shit? Because they’re Muslims. Fuck religion.
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Apr 15 '24
Those are Gods chosen people. The Jordanians should be thanking them!
/s obviously. It’s not like you can tell anymore
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u/GitmoGrrl1 Apr 15 '24
This really pisses me off. The reason the King of Jordan was willing to do this was because his old friend Joe Biden asked him to. Netanyahu has always treated him with contempt.
Thanks, Jordan. Your pilots saves lives and stopped Netanyahu from being able to justify widening the war.
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u/Joshistotle Apr 15 '24
Deep State controls both of them. They were pre selected for those positions since they've proven to be 100% compliant under all scenarios.
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u/synthetic-dream Apr 15 '24
lol they just scared of Israel of coming for them after Gaza.
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u/JavdanOfTheCities Apr 15 '24
They are millions of Palestinians in Jordan. They have to finish the job.
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u/Competitive-Idea-877 Apr 15 '24
That's a pity that Jordan has not prevent in similar way israeli attacks on innocent unarmed Palestinian civilians mostly children and women in Gaza.
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u/DemonSnake_1984 Apr 15 '24
The Iranians freed the Jews from exile and possible genocide and extinction in Babylon in 538 B.C. and well... you know their situation today; what makes you think that these people know anything about gratitude?
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u/Alien_Explaining Apr 15 '24
The pockets of others are open to the Chosen; why thank someone who was obligated by G-d to help you..?
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u/TheUnderstandererer Apr 15 '24
Israel still acting like an entitled rich kid because it doesn't like the neighbors.
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u/hamengkoebowono Apr 15 '24
As expected, they also would probably be thankful, honored and excited if Israelis would spit on them lol. No thanks needed.
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u/Mak11556 Apr 15 '24
These rulers think that siding with Israel is how they’ll be respected. All we see are weak cowards and pathetic excuses of men.
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u/hellomondays Apr 15 '24
Iirc didn't Jordan shoot down everything in their airspace, not just Iranian weapons? They still should get recognition by Israel for assisting but it's not as benevolent a move as it may seem as first.
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u/salkhan Apr 15 '24
Well next time they could always just let them pass through without hindrance. Let's see some humility come out from Israel.
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u/MrCalPoly Apr 15 '24
The Palestinians people are hated by Israel and actively unsupported by the neighboring Arab countries. Why is that? Why are so many governments okay with the slaughter and not defend those millions of people?
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u/UXUI75 Apr 15 '24
Arabs love Palestinians I believe that even the majority of people in world have a lot of sympathy for them.
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u/MrCalPoly Apr 15 '24
I de hear about sympathy but I don't see many good showings of it. Egypt didn't let Palestinians in, Jordan doesn't either. No aid or military or diplomatic pressure. I haven't seen many Arab countries cut ties or threaten to or expel Israeli diplomats.
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u/demonzk Apr 15 '24
If they let Palestinians in then Palestinians will never be able to Go back to their land
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u/Electrical_Noise_690 Apr 15 '24
"The Arab governments are bought and sold traitors of Israel and America. The Arab people love Palestine; they were recently protesting in Jordan and Egypt against their government traitors.
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u/Kvohlu Apr 15 '24
Let me preface this by saying that most Jordanians consider the jordanian government to be traitors and we don't agree with them or like their decision
The issue with this situation is that Iran is our enemy as well. We hate working with Israel but we can't be friends with Iran either because of their expansionist ideology.
Were sandwiched between countries either in complete anarchy or that want to invade us or stage a coup to place their puppets.
Even though I hate the jordanian government's decision I believe it is currently in the best interest of this country and region.
Also Jordan would never fight using its military (large scale) with Israel because that would quite literally end the current rule and the country would either be thrown into anarchy or handed to one of our neighbors. No one here is willing to fight alongside or as an ally to Israel, it's just that, for now, our interests align in a way.
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u/Ambrusia Apr 15 '24
It makes me so angry that our (UK) military has been involved in this spat between two rogue states
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u/HusseinDarvish-_- Apr 15 '24 edited Apr 15 '24
Isreal thanking him would make his position infinity worse. His reputation will be damaged beyond repair
He's already seen as a traitor and a puppet, but the devil personally thanking him would be a new low for King Abdullah
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u/nada8 Apr 15 '24
It’s his grandfather who was blackmailed. He is just doing what he supposed to do.
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u/NTC-Santa Apr 15 '24
Wake up Jordan they won't help u when ur in problems better pick sides and not money
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u/Candid_Medium6171 Apr 15 '24
"Excuse me, m'lady, but I defended your honor on twitter, can I get a like?"
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u/Immolation89 Apr 15 '24
Jordan already got hit by the houthis. I’m sure they acted as if they were being attacked as well.
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u/86casawi Apr 15 '24
Israel still wants some Jordanian Lands, never heard of Great Israel ? And they stole their water BTW.
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u/Snizl Apr 15 '24
I was confused by the lack of puns in the comments, then I remembered it was Flash GORDON...
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u/kirikiti Apr 15 '24
It’s what happens to whores - here’s your money - u don’t get thanked for your services- Jordan israhells whore!!
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Apr 15 '24
Jordan does not want to be thanked by Israel and made sure they made it clear they were only defending their own airspace. They have treaties with Israel bit do not want to be seen actively supporting them.
Jordan is in a precarious position and has borders with three nations full of terrorists that they don't want to piss of.
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Apr 15 '24
I don’t think Jordan was defending Israel so much as they were defending their own air space. Most countries would shoot down drones from foreign militaries that don’t have permission to be there.
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u/aasfourasfar Apr 15 '24
Maybe they don't want to?
Jordan said it shot down the Iranian aircrafts because they posed a threat to its population, they would not want to be portrayed as defending Israel
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u/Amazing-Drawing-401 Apr 15 '24
Yes, they shot down missiles entering their airspace, as would most sovereign nations if they can.
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u/Honest_Judge_9028 Apr 15 '24
Jordan king is a puppet of the US. He will stay in power and dictate as long as he keeps getting the US aid.
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u/Dependent_Captain686 Apr 15 '24
Why would Israel, Jordan is a state of Israel anyway, they just didn't reach the stage of expelling its population yet.
that also applies to Sinai.
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Apr 15 '24
Shame on Jordan for oppressing those drones and missiles flying over its sovereign airspace
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u/moriGOD Apr 19 '24
Because if they acknowledge it, they can’t claim to be fully surrounded by murderous entities trying to eliminate them.
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