r/InternationalNews • u/speakhyroglyphically • Feb 29 '24
Opinion/Analysis Al Jazeera’s senior political analyst on Israeli massacre in Gaza
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u/speakhyroglyphically Feb 29 '24
Al Jazeera’s senior political analyst Marwan Bishara said Israel’s massacre of hungry Palestinians waiting for food aid in Gaza was ‘state-sponsored terror’.
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u/gehenom Mar 01 '24
He is a Hamas spokesman. Are people thinking Al Jazeera is a news agency? They're Qatar, which pays for hamas.
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u/420binchicken Mar 01 '24
Mate if Israel continue this shit for much longer half the fucking planet are going to be Hamas supporters.
What the IDF and Israeli government is doing is not only genocide but it’s causing them SO much hatred around the world. This does not make Israel safer at all.
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Mar 01 '24
It doesn’t make the world safe at all. The people in the region hate the US and Israel. An enemy of the US never is an enemy for long. Best outcome here is for Hamas and other terrorist groups to surrender. Take the L like men. Israel will most likely do a land grab because that’s usually what winners of wars do, and force those Palestinians to choose to either be part of the country and assimilate or go back to the conditions they were in. Some Palestinians want a Jew free world and that’s also a problem. Blame it on religion or ideology but in these type of scenarios, it’s kill or be killed unless you can decide to live in peace.
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u/Scary-go-round Mar 01 '24
Israel is doing a fantastic job of convincing everyone to support Hamas. You're doing an even better job, personally. I'd trust Hamas over the IDF any day.
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u/Scary-go-round Mar 01 '24
Honestly, Israel can't even provide evidence of half the things they claimed Hamas did on October 7th. If anything, it's just further proof that we could never trust Israel. Thanks for continuing to prove my point!
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u/eyko Mar 01 '24
Al-Jazeera is well regarded as factual news reporting (on topics other than Qatar) with a left-centre bias: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/
I'd argue that when it comes to reporting on Israel, it's generally critical of Israel and there is a bias in favour of Palestine (which I find understandable). This is in contrast to their lack of criticism of Qatar. Most people can take their reporting with a grain of salt, and we know that in all matters Qatar related it may be factual, but will omit any negative stories (i.e. it doesn't lie but omits touchy subjects, therefore we can classify that part as propaganda).
However, on the topic of Israel, I also find it interesting that Al-Jazeera's 2017 investigative piece into Israeli lobbies in the UK was called "anti-semitic" by the usual suspects but later cleared by Ofcom which claimed that it "was not anti-semitic and was, in fact, investigative journalism":
In 2017, Al Jazeera aired an investigative report of Britain’s Israel lobby. Following the airing, Ofcom (the UK government-approved regulatory and competition authority) received complaints from many pro-Israeli British activists, including one former Israeli embassy employee. They were accused of anti-Semitism, bias, unfair editing, and infringement of privacy, which was later cleared by Ofcom, who said the piece was not anti-semitic and was, in fact, investigative journalism. Later, a US version of the documentary called “Lobby” was not aired due to pressure from US Legislators pushing for Al Jazeera to register as a foreign entity and therefore labeling its journalists as ‘spies.’ Further, Saudi Arabia and three other Arab nations demanded Qatar to shut down Al-Jazeera. Al Jazeera rebuts the accusations here.
I often chuckle at people who criticise Al-Jazeera and equate it to being a Hamas spokesperson. If anything, they have a track record that speaks for itself and, whilst there's clearly a left-centre bias in their reporting, any average IQ human being can discern what's factual, well-sourced reporting, what's propaganda, and what's outright lies. Especially in today's day and age when you can fact-check any piece of information in a matter of minutes.
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u/irritatedprostate Mar 01 '24
Your link literally says they have medium credibility due extreme bias and failed fact checks, lol.
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u/FarmTeam Mar 01 '24
So you think Israel hasn’t committed war crimes? Most of Israel’s own spokesmen don’t believe their own stories- but I guess you are qualified to determine that “most in this sub are ignorant.” Cool.
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u/1ofthebasedests Mar 01 '24
Yep, most of the people in this sub can not qoute an international law that Israel have violated in Gaza. Yet, they are absolutely sure Israel is commiting genocide
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u/FarmTeam Mar 01 '24
You don’t have to be an expert in international law to know that Israel has violated it. It’s way beyond a borderline case. There are SO MANY flagrant violations of the norms and provisions of the law.
BESIDES the International Courts have ruled on it - finding it plausible so what are you fussing about
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u/1ofthebasedests Mar 01 '24
You have to KNOW the international law to decide whether Israel violates it or not. If you don't know the law, yet you have a strong opinion on the matter, then well there's a name for that that would break rule 1 of this sub if I say it.
As you said, even ICJ did not convict Israel of war crimes so all the people mumbling about them are
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u/japinard Mar 01 '24
Outside of the gas chambers this is exactly what the Nazi's did to the Jews. Explain to me how they can have so much cognitive dissonance?
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u/True-Hope7278 Feb 29 '24
Oh you mean the textbook definition of a war crime.. fuck Israel
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u/PerpWalkTrump Feb 29 '24
At this point, I just call "State committed terrorism".
It's literally an organ of the Israeli government, its military, commiting these actions.
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Feb 29 '24
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u/MinimumApricot365 Feb 29 '24
"Out if the blue"? You can't be serious.
I'm not saying it was warranted but it's ridiculous to think that 10/7 happened in a vacuum. It was a crime, but collective punishment is also a crime, and at this point a MUCH more heinous one.
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u/420binchicken Mar 01 '24
The actions on Oct 7 were horrific but utterly predictable. You oppress a population for literally decades, violent uprising is inevitable. Literally human nature. No population in the history of humanity would happily accept the treatment the Palestinians have gotten for decades now without getting angry about it. And when there’s no way to be taken seriously politically, all that’s left is violence.
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u/Being-of-Dasein Mar 01 '24
Hardcore Zionists (both Israeli and non-Israeli alike) do not see Palestinians as equals, barely even as human. In order to carry out their colonial aims in the region, they have to dehumanise, delegitimise, and disenfranchise Palestinians to even have a veneer of justification to take Palestinian land.
Say it as it is: Israel is a colonial, apartheid ethnostate that is dead set on taking over Palestinian land in their aim to have a Jewish-majority state. They will achieve this by displacing/ethnically cleansing/genociding the indigenous population because they have no intention to share with people they do not see as their equals or as humans.
This will not change until there is a cultural/political shift within Israel to address how they view Palestinians and in taking steps to de-colonialise (dismantle all illegal settlements and end the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank) and tackle Israeli supremacist propaganda (dismantle Hasbara and punish those who advocate for genocide, collective punishment, or those who openly advocate killing Palestinians in an effort to rid the world of "human animals").
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u/daany97 Mar 01 '24
From other sovereign states, not from the very people it occupies. This is basic.
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u/Super-Base- Feb 29 '24
You mean the already internationally recognized terror organization under sanctions and blockade? Are you suggesting Israel be sanctioned and blockaded as well?
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u/Super-Base- Mar 01 '24
The level of evil, brutality, and barbarism we’ve seen in Israel’s response to Oct 7 is unprecedented and yes they should absolutely face consequences for it.
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u/hyperbolic_sloth Feb 29 '24
Out of the blue? “Out of the blue.” Yes. Israel being tipped off a year in advance is VERY out of the blue and just so unexpected. 😱
But also….i COULD be wrong….but you think it had anything to do with over 70 years of violent Israeli occupation and apartheid? Weird how that would work ya know. Violently oppressing and massacring people and then a resistance movement springs up decades later? Gah who’s ever heard of that before?
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u/Old-Oven-4495 Feb 29 '24
Revise that figure. A portion of the # were combatants. And let’s not forget that a large portion were killed by Israeli forces themselves.
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u/GoonieInc Feb 29 '24
First off, the number of non-military casualties is 700. Even then, there is no definite list of hostages and when Israel submitted the list to the ICJ there were many duplicates. There’s also the fact that the Hannibal directive was used and that Hamas didn’t seek to kill but take hostages. The IDF contributed to the majority of the damage.
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u/Swaglington_IIII Feb 29 '24
Did the women and children too?
I mean there are millions of Palestinians, did “they” slaughter them?
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u/werewiththevipers420 Feb 29 '24
This guy has been spot on in every segment he's been on since October.
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u/tom-branch Feb 29 '24
Interesting how few people know what the Dahiya Doctrine is.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Feb 29 '24
Literally every war is about an overwhelming response to cause cessation of hostilities.
You just gave a fancy ethnic name to military strategy that has been espoused by strategists for millienia.
All the way from Romans to the present day.
Not many militaries have had the death of their own civilian population as part of their strategy though. I must admit that has me a bit stuck.
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u/tom-branch Feb 29 '24
Actually its not, most wars are about targeting key military assets, as a means to win the war, not targeting civilians as a way to terrorize an entire population.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Feb 29 '24
Where are Hamas' key military targets?
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u/tom-branch Feb 29 '24
Likely their soldiers, however leveling an entire region in an attempt to kill them is counter productive.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Feb 29 '24
Military assets aren't just soldiers but also infrastructure being used by those soldiers.
Where is that infrastructure?
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u/tom-branch Feb 29 '24
And yet the laws of war govern what can be defined as that infrastructure, and proportionality, both of which Israel has ignored as its carried out war crimes against an entire people.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Feb 29 '24
laws of war don't give terrorists immunity just because they hide among civilians and civilian infrastructure.
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u/tom-branch Feb 29 '24
Nobody said they did.
However those laws do in fact seek the protection of civilian life, and to dictate proportionality, as well as outlawing collective punishment.
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Mar 01 '24
Exactly. That is why the war crime is endangering civilian lives by attacking an adversary from civilian areas.
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u/tom-branch Mar 01 '24
No, I think however that mass murdering civilians and destroying an entire region is disproportionate, and reeks of war crimes and a form of terrorism all of its own.
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u/Prestigious_Syrup844 Feb 29 '24
This is not a military policy used by other Western militaries
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Feb 29 '24
Ever heard of shock and awe?
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u/Prestigious_Syrup844 Feb 29 '24
Bad but still different from this. We didn't shock and awe a prison camp and the actual shock and awe phase was pretty short. Israel has a detailed policy of attacking civilians in order to pressure their political leaders. Totally different mentality and effects
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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 Feb 29 '24
news flash..war is bad. dont start one.
Hamas forgot that on october 7. And no, history didnt start on october 7.
Hamas planned this for two years and made ZERO provision for the safety and wellbeing of the palestinians in light of the inevitable devastation that their actions would bring down upon gaza.
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u/Prestigious_Syrup844 Feb 29 '24
Newsflash: genocide is bad, don't do one
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u/Prestigious_Syrup844 Mar 01 '24
Bro nothing is illegal about going after hamas. The problem is that the way they're doing it isn't targeted. I mean people are literally starving to death. Unless the goal is to somehow starve only hamas (and not the civilian population) I don't see how this works.
I have a pretty extreme take but even I wouldn't be against Israel targeting Hamas fighters... That's pretty fine. The problem is they're targeting the entire civilian population
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Mar 01 '24
Palestinian population was coerced to support Hamas either willingly or forcefully. Unfortunately for them they ARE Hamas infrastructure. Sadly they got themselves in this mess with outside supporters pushing them along . Wealthier and better educated supporters willing to sacrifice Palestinians and Israelis for their ideologies. No real difference in Palestinian opposition’s to Hamas ,they all called for destruction of the Jews and martyrdom trying to do it . So no hope for Palestinians till they grow out and away from that or have it removed from them and their sponsors aspirations.
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u/BenShelZonah Mar 01 '24
Y’all take Al jazeera as gospel lmfao. Insane
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u/vajrahaha7x3 Mar 01 '24
Hamas also, right? They both are doing evil things to innocent civilians. I don't understand supporting either of them when it comes to innocent civilians. Go out it the desert and fight it out. Stop the killing of civilians.
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u/Greedy_Camp_5561 Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Honestly, I don't know enough about that incident to have an opinion on that, but I can tell this is a bad take: Hamas loves when civilians suffer, especially if there is footage of it. So how would this exert pressure on their leadership?
ETA: if any of the people downvoting here could actually answer my question, that would be a nice change of pace...
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u/jimryanson112233 Mar 01 '24
It was a stampede. This is false reporting and lies.
No different than the hospital bombing last year that everyone blamed Israel on…. But it ended up being a Palestinian rocket which malfunctioned.
Shame on the international media for refusing to hold any basic objective journalistic standards.
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u/Cheestake Mar 01 '24
Oh look everybody, a statement from the IDF! Let's see what it says.
"We didn't do it. You know, besides the shooting into a crowd, but that totally wasn't what killed most of them! No we don't know how many died, but we can give you an exact breakdown as to the cause of deaths and definitively say only 10 died from shooting."
Wow, how convincing! I wonder why international media isn't taking them at their word on this?
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Mar 01 '24
Ah yes times of Isreal a completely non bias media org. The same ones who reported on the systematic sexual abuse Hamas commited on 7th oct which multiple orgs included the IDF have said is not true.
Take your Nazi beliefs over to worldnews
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u/jimryanson112233 Mar 02 '24
Whether you like their articles or dont, you can clearly see a video posted on their article (or anywhere else online) showing it was a stampede.
You can also see the video here, here, and here.
Trying to stifle someone you disagree with by labelling them a Nazi just shows the weakness in your argument, and exposes yourself as the true fascist.
If you want to criticize any country, do so by its objective faults, not by lies and propaganda.
Try spreading your hatred and lies somewhere else.
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Mar 01 '24
Lmao!! Yeah, it’s so weird that they would react in such a way just because Palestinians murdered and r*ped their citizens
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Mar 01 '24
Ye you're racist and i hope one day someone from whatever group you're from commits a crime that gets you arrested so you can see how toxic your views are
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Mar 01 '24
You’re antisemitic! I don’t hope anything bad happens to you. But I hope one day you realize just how wrong you are for supporting a terrorist group like the Palestinian state
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Mar 01 '24
The whole palestinian state is terrorist? The average palestinian is ls less terrorist than the IDF. Stop being a permanent victim you fucking baby. Your people are murdering and youre acting like a victim. How sad is that. How deranged are you?
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Mar 01 '24
Lmao. Im not Jewish. And yes, if you vote for a terrorist organization to rule your government and don’t denounce them when they commit atrocities then yes, they are just as bad as the terrorists they support
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Mar 01 '24
I could say your comment about Israel. They are all really honest about wanting to kill and steal palestine. From years and years ago. You think the democracy in fucking palestine is official? Netanyahu set hamas up as their government. Netanyahu had plenty warning from surrounding countries this was gonna happen. He didnt use his military correctly to defend the festival but now uses bombs to destroy peoples lives who did nothing wrong. Israels reputation is tarnished and until they start acting moraly they're isis in my eyes
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Mar 01 '24
Oh my god you’re worse than a flat earther lmao. Go watch some more TikTok to get your “news”
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Mar 01 '24
Nothing about the news i watch is "fake". Israel wanted this to happen. Theres no conspiracy. Theyve got the best intel in the world and had warning from surrounding countries. Ask yourself why they didnt protect the festival. They couldve shot at people they knew were hamas. But no, they let them run away so they can kill a whole country. Israel is scum and also killed a lot of people at that festival. Go read something that doesn't just tell you what you want to hear
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Mar 01 '24
Israel wanting this to happen is quite literally a conspiracy theory! Lol
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Mar 01 '24
Its quite literally factual. They want to settle and october helped them settle and steal and kill. How could you possibly say they didn't want this to happen?
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u/d1sambigu8 Mar 01 '24
Kinda weird how a "senior" analyst call a Hamas aid mess up this, and also forget that Hamas started this. Shows how low Al Jazeera are stooping in this war
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u/thesistodo Mar 01 '24
Hamas did not start occupying other peoples land. They are a resistance movement, resisting illegal occupation.
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u/d1sambigu8 Mar 01 '24
Er Oct 7th wasn't "resistance". And Hamas are a colonial supremicist entity with foreign backing. Population and border changes from decades ago don't have relevance- this started in October.
If they have a geopolitical dispute, talk about it but a rape and murder spree brings about a response.
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u/thesistodo Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
colonial supremicist entity with foreign backing.
That's literally lsreaI
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u/d1sambigu8 Mar 01 '24
Israel is a sovereign state acting in self defence. Hamas is a jihadi death cult that should have surrendered
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u/Bestihlmyhart Feb 29 '24 edited Mar 01 '24
Basically how a lot wars were fought historically. The French and Indian War (Seven Years War theatre) was basically just a colonial version of Oct 7th: kill anything you didn’t want as a slave then burn the place. 30* years war when potatoes became popular because they were hard to burn *unlike grain fields. And so on. Israel and Hamas both target civilian illegally to try to further political goals, which is terrorism by definition.
***This is not an endorsement—just an observation. Neither side should target civilians.
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u/Acrobatic_Lobster838 Feb 29 '24
100 years war when potatoes became popular because they were hard to burn *unlike grain fields.
Very impressive when potatoes were introduced to the United Kingdom over a hundred years after the 100 years war ended.
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u/societyisabigscam Feb 29 '24
Goebbels is that you?
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u/Bestihlmyhart Feb 29 '24
How does they make any sense? Are you really so daft you think an observation is the same as an endorsement?
neither side should target civilians
But to say only Hamas is engaging in terrorism is false—the definition of terrorism hinges on its legality. Israel has no legal right to be in the OTs under international law, hence the term terrorism does attach to the IDF targeting of civilians.
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u/Prestigious_Syrup844 Feb 29 '24
Wars generally aren't fought this way by western powers in the 21st century
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u/Bestihlmyhart Feb 29 '24
That’s true. A professional Army should follow the international law. This conflict doesn’t.
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u/AdAdministrative8104 Mar 01 '24
Every decision Hamas has ever made on “behalf” of their people has caused only suffering, and they just can’t stop themselves
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Mar 01 '24
Goofy nonsense
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u/AdAdministrative8104 Mar 01 '24
Name one decision Hamas has made that has been good for Gazans
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Mar 01 '24
Name one decision Israel has made that have been good for gazans
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u/AdAdministrative8104 Mar 01 '24
They’re not the government of Gaza so I don’t really care
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u/Personal-Expert3395 Mar 01 '24
They control the flow of goods to Gaza they control the electricity, water they can’t leave without Israel consent and many more
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u/AdAdministrative8104 Mar 01 '24
Yah, because of the aforementioned terrible decisions made by Hamas
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u/Williamshitspear Mar 01 '24
That's not true. Google how much water comes in from Israel, it's only about 5-10%. The majority comes from Wells and desalination plants (2/3 Israel built)
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Mar 01 '24
They’re occupying Palestinian territory, which comes with obligations by international law.
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u/sfairleigh83 Feb 29 '24
Still pushing the rape and infanticide narrative, as news organization around the world are forced to retract those lies.
Almost every accusation Israel makes, ends up being a lie, and in most cases a confession.
Israel= pure grade a fascist cowards
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u/biggestphuckaround Feb 29 '24
07/10 AlJizzera employees are Hamas
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u/peeops Feb 29 '24
let me guess, your sources on this are the idf’s claims?
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u/1ofthebasedests Mar 01 '24
It is an undeniable fact that Al Jazeerah is funded by Qatar, which councidentally is also Hamas greatest donor.
Don't you find this problematic? Be honest
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u/biggestphuckaround Mar 01 '24
It was a date joke. Not an actual statistic. Sorry for the confusion
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u/ColdWarVet90 Feb 29 '24
It was all peaceful on October 6. Then the next day all the Hamas cocksuckers starting committing atrocities. Fuck Hamas, and fuck everyone those cocksuckers called to brag about their atrocities.
If Hamas wants shit to be peaceful again then Hamas can surrender at anytime.
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u/Bestihlmyhart Feb 29 '24
Xinjiang continues to be peaceful. Israel will get there with there some day. Needs to switch teams to CCP. Can you imagine the marriage of Israeli-CCP spy tech? As long as Israel ties its destiny to the US it’s going to have one hand tied behind it’s back with “human rights” this and “don’t kill civilians” that as if all lives were equal.
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u/ButterscotchNo7634 Mar 01 '24
How can Israel politically capitalize on it? If you do something as sinful as Israel did, you are punished. Am I correct? Israel can capitalize on peace with Palestinians in one state by making them rich, and use them in the Middle East to expand Israeli business.
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u/BIueGhost Mar 01 '24
And steal land.
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Mar 02 '24
Let’s place bets on which land will be recaptured first. Ukraine or Israel? I’ll bet, neither, both are pretty entrenched in this new world. Get it thru your skull
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