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Discussion Daily /r/Games Discussion - Free Talk Friday - September 20, 2024

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u/khanys Sep 20 '24

so that god of war thread that just got locked was full of bots, right? surely there aren't that many sony defenders on here.

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u/Cautious-Intern9612 Sep 21 '24

I get that it sucks but if it gets Sony pumped to put all their games on steam it’s fine to me, I’m just worried these hate campaigns will lead to us having games never coming to PC

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u/Zordman Sep 20 '24

I'm pro giving billion dollar corporations as much shit as possible, but this honestly is one of the biggest non-issues I've seen people flip their shit over.

  1. They tell you in a clearly visible sign that this is required, it is not pulling the rug out from under you.

  2. From what I'm seeing, people can cancel out of the PSN login and play offline. So it actually is not required? I can't confirm this myself because I do not own it on steam.

  3. Just about every company has done something in the past with almost 0 pushback. Why the sudden outcry now that Sony is doing it?

  4. The process to make an account takes less than 2 minutes. Less than it takes to write an angry comment about the game.

  5. Most importantly, there are much bigger problems in the industry than this, such as the mass layoffs. Putting attention on this with such outcry delegitimatizes and devalues outcry for something more worthwhile

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u/AbyssalSolitude Sep 20 '24

Requiring an additional account is objectively bad. It's not an opinion whether forcing people to waste time making accounts they don't need a good thing for them or not. The company is making you waste your time in hopes you'd get dragged inside it ecosystem. If it was optional, then players themselves could decided whether they want it or not.

Like, you can say "but it's not that bad" or "but other companies also do this" or "but smth-smth layoffs" and neither would cancel out the fact that it's objectively bad, that's why defending it is so weird. It's like defending telemarketing calls because "it's not a big deal, just hang up, it takes 2 seconds, why are you complaining about something so trivial while African kids are starving"

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u/Zordman Sep 20 '24

As I said, Im pro giving billion dollar corporations as much shit as possible.

What's weird is that Sony is suddenly the focus of this, as if this was a new innovation from them that they are imposing on consumer and trying to make this the new standard for the industry. But this is already been the standard for PC games for almost a decade. Where was this energy before for Microsoft, Ubisoft, etc.?

It is also weird to buy a game full price at launch just to review it negatively for something that is clearly stated.

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u/AbyssalSolitude Sep 21 '24

It's plain disingenuous to claim there were no complaints when other companies forced people to make useless accounts. Do you even remember EGS exclusivity drama? People hate being forced to make new accounts.

You are saying you are "pro giving billion dollar corporations as much shit as possible", but at the same time you are giving it a free pass because "but other billion dollar corporations are doing the same thing, this makes it okay" which makes no sense. No, it's bad in all cases.

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u/Zordman Sep 21 '24

You aren't comprehending the point I'm making. It's disingenuous to put words in my mouth with a fake quote.

I never at any point said "but other billion dollar corporations are doing the same thing, this makes it okay". Why are you quoting me when I said no such thing?

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u/AbyssalSolitude Sep 21 '24

That's called paraphrasing.

You said (and these are direct quotes) "Just about every company has done something in the past with almost 0 pushback. Why the sudden outcry now that Sony is doing it?" and "But this is already been the standard for PC games for almost a decade. Where was this energy before for Microsoft, Ubisoft, etc.?"

You did not said any variation of "this practice is not okay", so I assumed you think this practice is okay.

And so I paraphrased: "but other billion dollar corporations are doing the same thing, this makes it okay"

If it's not your point, then do clarify what you mean.

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u/Zordman Sep 21 '24 edited Sep 21 '24

Paraphrasing does not use quotation marks. When you use quotation marks you are directly quoting something. People have been sued for putting words in people's mouths like that (note: I am not suggesting I have any intent on suing you. Maybe you don't speak English fluently, which is why I'm making the distinction.)

If you want further reading on this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_marks_in_English

"Quotation marks are not used for indirect speech. This is because indirect speech can be a paraphrase; it is not a direct quote, and in the course of any composition, it is important to document when one is using a quotation versus when one is just giving content, which may be paraphrased, and which could be open to interpretation."

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u/AbyssalSolitude Sep 21 '24

That's cool and all, but do you have anything to say on the topic?