A message from r/theitalyplace

[u/HartemLijn]

Dear r/EmpireDidNothingWrong, I want to apologize on behalf of all r/italy and r/theitalyplace for trying to attack your subreddit's creation and I swear we will immediately stop our expansion and let your symbol alone if you all will help us to contrast and repel the attack that right now we are experiencing from the communists near our flag. If you will be willing to help us, we will help rebuild and recreate the symbol that we damaged. Peace?

[u/otness_e → u/[deleted]]

No, they were Communist states. They explicitly referred to themselves as Communists, NOT Capitalists (the USSR's full name was the Union for Soviet Socialist Republics). Even Lenin's dealing with business owners is solely under the philosophy that he'll sell them the rope with which they will hang themselves with.

Also, no Capitalism did NOT kill more people than Socialism. That's a falsehood. Socialism, heck, Communism as well, have had their crimes presented bare and the statistics reported. Socialism is reported to have a hundred million dead in the 20th century ALONE. And what those guys claimed are lies. Remember, Chomsky is the same guy who claimed that Americans were responsible for the murders in Cambodia despite the evidence being irrefutable that the Khmer Rouge, the Communists, did the murders.

[u/otness_e → u/[deleted]]

I'm not calling them Communist because I don't want them to be Capitalist, I'm calling them Communist because that's EXACTLY what their ideologies were, what they themselves stated themselves to be. And in case you haven't noticed, Marx himself specifically intended for Communism to be a repeat of the French Revolution's Reign of Terror from 1793, only being even MORE bloody. I've even got the quotes if you want them:

“There is only one way of shortening, simplifying, and concentrating the bloodthirsty death-throes of the old society and the bloody birth pangs of the new--revolutionary terror. . . . [...] Once we are at the helm, we shall be obliged to reenact the year 1793. [...] We are pitiless and we ask no pity from you. When our time comes, we shall not conceal terrorism with hypocritical phrases. . . The vengeance of the people will break forth with such ferocity that not even the year 1793 enables us to envisage it. . . .”

Yeah, sure, Marx is OBVIOUSLY a humanitarian of good will <sarc />

And in case you haven't noticed, ALL Communist countries did that to their own even when it seemed to be against their ideas. Even Lenin did that to his own people (remember Holodomor?). Heck, even Bill Ayers, himself an unrepentant Communist as he himself made VERY clear in his own words, specifically intended to murder over 25 million people in America, as Larry Grathwold exposed.

And it didn't just end with Stalin. Even his successors partook in the butchery, not to mention people like Che Guevara and Fidel Castro. And an FYI, use common sense, why would they be trying to fight against us Americans and take us down if they were Capitalists like ourselves and make clear that they want us dead BECAUSE of our practicing Capitalism?

[u/otness_e → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, and those communist groups were doing exactly what Marx advocated that they should do, which was emulate the French Revolution and in particular the Reign of Terror, make it more bloody. Maybe I should remind you that it was the same Reign of Terror that, during Vendee, Commander Grignon explicitly gave his men permission to, I don't know, slaughter anyone they find, even, and this is the caviat, those who supported the Revolution. You can read it here:

http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/parricide.html

And Bakukhin also advocated for slaughter, with the Russian Nihilist movement, and even said in the Reaction to Germany in 1842, and I quote, "Let us put our trust in the eternal spirit which destroys and annihilates only because it is the unsearchable and eternally creative source of all life--the passion for destruction is also a creative passion!". And Marx is explicitly called the Father of Communism for a reason, and that reason is that he and Engels founded that movement. While it had similarities to the French Revolution due to being based on that sordid movement, it was technically not Communism due to predating it as well as Marx's birth.

[u/otness_e → u/[deleted]]

Ceausceau of Romania also claimed what he had was a new form of Communism, one that was different from the USSR brand. It was still the same. Voluntary enlightenment? The French Philosophes tried that as well, and look what happened. A mess in France happened where the population became a bunch of blood-thirsty psychopaths. Heck, that got repeated with May 1968, where kids bought into the ideas of Foucault and Sartre and proceeded to have riots on the streets.

And "democratic?" Democracy only results in people losing their heads at the hands of others just for their own amusement. Just look at France, French Revolution, where they implemented democracy and then started killing each other off, many times just for fun. Democratic and sane can NEVER go together.

[u/otness_e → u/[deleted]]

History itself doesn't begin and end with the French Revolution, that's true. But, the history of socialist revolutions as well as anarchist revolutions specifically state that the progenitor was the French Revolution.

As far as Rojava, what about when ISIS is destroyed? Most likely, the only reason they aren't killing each other right now is because they're busy trying to focus on destroying ISIS first. Even Stalin and his ilk were at least smart enough to avoid slaughtering their own for the sake of it while fighting Hitler and waited until AFTER World War II to resume that activity.

[u/otness_e → u/[deleted]]

I just know history all too well. As far as fairer and just society, even Marx claimed that, yet he didn't truly give a darn about an actual fairer and just society, he just craved destruction, same with everyone who came after him.

Besides, Capitalists at least didn't try to persecute Christianity and exterminate them, or any religion for that matter, simply because they held to a religion at all, while socialism/communism had an entire record of that going on.