I'm thinking about buying the enhanced editions of BG1&2 but wanted to know how much content they have compared to stuff like BG3, DoS, POE or the Owlcat CRPGs.

Not necessarily how many times can I play each game, but as far as a single playthrough goes. Anybody able to give me a rough idea of where they sit among their peers?

Feels like modern CPRGS have small cities and never a major city hub.

-Pathfinder KM and WOTR don't even have a big city

-Baldur's Gate 3 act 3 is set in a very small area of the city

-Pillars 1 and 2 come closer but not at the same level of BG 1 and BG2 cities

-Solasta city is very empty.

I miss a CPRG with a huge cities like BG 1 and 2, where you can lose yourself in hundreds of quests and districts.

Is there a semi-modern FANTASY CRPG (past 2010) that feature a massive city?

Idk I just think it's an interesting concept but I can just think of Dungeon Hack (my favorite Eye of the Beholder game) and Slashers Keep (wich I haven't played yet but it looks promising, with Dark Messiah influences).

I just think it's a great concept. Because most of the time I play dungeon crawlers I don't care about the story I just want to navigate through a maze and KILL!

I asked on the Rogue Trader subreddit but got no replies. I've googled and haven't found a single person to have this issue. I loved this game and really wanted to keep playing but I literally can't.

After defeating the tech priests Aurora activate something on the console and it electrocutes her and she falls over. Then the blank dialog comes up just reading protocol and the game won't let me progress no matter what I do.

I've tried uninstalling reinstalling, fiddling with the settings, I don't know what else to do.

Both games are on sale on steam right now but I don't know which one to pick up. How do they compare?

I don't have as much time on my hand as I wish I had so that's why the stupid question lol.

Edit : Lots of different opinions !

I will play Po1 first and I'll see if I can get through the gameplay that seems a bit less user friendly from what I read.

Thanks for all the responses

So many classics are very cheap right now. I'm looking for some must play classics. I've recently got games like Arcanum, wizardry, and the lords of the realm/magic games. I really enjoyed the classic dnd dungeon hack game. I'm thinking about getting vampire masquerade bloodlines. I like the regular ones, but I also do enjoy the resource management base building a bit. Also just any good games for cheap you recommend thanks!

I love Xcom 2 and have recently picked up a strong interest for Solasta - both turn-based combat games. I'm not that much into being 1 hero leading a team, but rather want a more equal set of characters forming the squad.

My interest in Solasta comes - among other things - from the notion that you start out by making the whole squad rather than just creating one character, who will then recruit others on its way. I have learned that additional pre-made companions might be picked up on the run, but that's fine with me, as long as the core squad is up for myself to make.

My love for Xcom comes - also among other things - from the fact that you can recruit a wide range of characters and then fully change their appearance including gender, ethnicity etc. and not just change their gear. I'm aware that you are technically the commander and hence a main character, but for the most part that really doesn't come into play in battles.

Are there more games that practice this way of building a squad?

I have played Wasteland 3 and PoE 2, and if I remember correct, these games do let you recruit fully customizable characters but also seem to encourage you to pick up pre-made, more fixed ones in order for the story to be more interesting with better dialogue etc. I really liked these games nonetheless, but I am still hoping to find more games that rely less on pre-made characters.

Yes I’m going a hybrid build on my first playthough.

My plan is to go Sword, Dodge, Persuasion, Alchmey, and lock picking. Is locking picking connect with other stuff like sneak. I will drop it if the payoff isn’t good enough.

I’ve been on a tear lately playing Rogue Trader, Pillars 1 and currently Dragon Age Origins. Playing Origins again for the first time since release, I forgot how great the companions are written in that game and how much it improves the story and everything else around it. All 3 of these games mentioned have really good once’s, along with BG3 too, another great one. I’m finding having awesome companions is one of the major things I’m looking for in a game now and what makes ‘real’ rpg’s so great.

What games in your opinion have the best companions?

Since the olden days of computer gaming, the standard procedure in beating a game is to replay until you improve your skill or figure out the trick. This is obvious in action/arcade type games, but is also true in old adventures and RPGs.

One of the early King's Quest adventures from Sierra had a door in the middle of a town whose only purpose was to kill you if you tried to enter. There would be a text box saying something like "you knock on the door, a troll comes out and clubs you to death". That's it, game over, you had to load a save and not do that again.

These days we call that meta-gaming, but it's always been part of the computer game experience.

In many CRPGs, old and modern, you pretty much have to meta-game and save scum to beat the game. In BG1 the wolves outside Candlekeep will kill you in one shot, especially if you're a level 1 mage. Either you reload a few times until you get a big hit in first, or you know exactly how to maneuver because you've played it two dozen times already. Save scum or meta-game.

Most Infinity Engine games and their modern descendants play exactly like this. In BG1/2, PoE 1/2 and the Pathfinder games you get your ass handed to you in some fights because of bad dice rolls, and often you immediately try again using the exact same strategy. Or you figure out the right strategy after dying half a dozen times by trial and error. When even that doesn't work, you come back again later. Save scum, meta-game, level up, in that order.

It's pretty much the same in D:OS2 and Underrail, where you can only learn how tough a fight is by trying first and dying. Often it's impossible to strategize for an encounter without failing it a few times. Other times, your strategy fails or succeeds based entirely on your initiative roll and whether your very first shot hits or misses. You end up reloading a bunch of times until you win, but it feels like cheating.

Beating "honor mode" in BG3, where you can't save scum, relies entirely on meta-gaming and knowing how to beat every encounter beforehand.

Obviously failing and trying again is an integral part of gaming and only very specific type of niche games try to eliminate it entirely. Furthermore everyone should play games however they enjoy it -- no normative judgment there.

On the other hand, in tabletop RPGs which many CRPGs are modeled after, save scumming is impossible and meta-gaming is generally frowned upon. So in theory at least there is an ideal type of experience that avoids this kind of game play.

Then how should CRPG game designers make sure their games don't overrely on these mechanics to the point of detracting from the roleplay experience? Can you think of any guidelines for judging when it's just right and when it becomes too much?

Writing this so it's as readable as possible, so skip around. I know there's a shit ton of recommendation asks on here.

So, I was never allowed to play RPGs as a kid, because my dad thought they were like crack, which they kind of are, I guess. Also, I had an injury that affected my vision, so I've missed out on a lot.

I have loved a few RPGs more than any other games, though. My favorites are:

Dragon age origins - Found the companions and environment perfect in every way. Even liked the two subsequent games despite their shortcomings.

Ogre Battle 64 - Why does no one talk about this one? You could hire and build entire armies and the characters were as fleshed out as any game I know.

Ocarina of time - Yeah not really rpg, but like I said, I couldn't play them as a kid. Still loved the feeling of exploration and diverse environments.

LIked

Baldur's gate III - Was really deep and choices were meaningful. One of the best feelings of satisfaction after finishing a game since DA:O. Companions felt a bit like the writers had only seen relationships on tv, though, or were aliens trying to simulate human connections. Why does everyone hate me until all of a sudden they all want to have sex? Combat was a bit slow. The world seemed to randomly pull themes out of nowhere. Devils in the same world as Illithids? Astral worlds? How did they get in the same place together? (Yes, I know this is all classic dnd, but it was jarring at first.)

Skyrim - Loved the environment, but got this weird hollow feeling after I completed the main story, like the whole thing was a theme park ride with nothing behind it. I wish the same world had been built with for BioWare's writers to do the companions and characters.

Final fantasy 12 - Remember loving the scope of this and creativity, but I prefer traditional medieval-style fantasy RPGs usually.

Now I'm paralyzed by choice. There's so many options, but I only have time for one every couple of years, if that.

I've heard of few that have interested me:

Pillars of Eternity 2

Pathfinder: WotR

Divinity original sin 2 (Not sure I vibe with the aesthetic)

Baldur's gate 2 (still good in 2024?)

And there must be others. Recommendations? Confirmations?

Major Spoilers of course. I suggest anyone commenting to flag what title they want to sing praises for before going into great detail.

That said, any sidequests you initially thought seemed boring but turned out to be quite interesting in the end, even amazing?

For example...

Witcher III spoilers

In Witcher III, there is the frying pan fetch quest. It starts off as a simple boring fetch quest but hides a very surprising revelation near the end. It's one of the earliest quests that players can stumble upon and it gives players a very strong idea what the rest of Witcher III's quests are going to be like, that they aren't going to be dumbed-down fetch quests but quests with meaningful lore, storytelling, and characters with twists and turns that will take you by surprise, making the world of the Witcher much more alive.

That said, the frying pan quest was when I played Witcher III several years ago and it made a very good impression on me. As of now, I'm playing Baldur's Gate II and there was a quest that took me a tad by surprise.

Baldur's Gate II spoilers

This particular side quest is not the most interesting that Baldur's Gate II has to offer, and it can be a bit of a slog to backtrack but it's one of those quests that nevertheless takes you by surprise. It reminds you just how good most of the quests in Baldur's Gate II are. And that quest is "Investigate and Destroy the Cult of the Eyeless". If you jumped from Baldur's Gate I and into Baldur's Gate II and you thought BG1's quest design was mostly a bunch of tedious fetch quests, then BG2 is quite refreshing with a greater emphasis on storytelling. In fact, I get the impression that much of the better sidequest design we see in many great RPGs started with BG2.

That said, this quest starts off with this new self-proclaimed prophet preaching about a new god and this new cult. Later, this guy from the Temple of Talos will ask you, the player, to investigate the cult in the sewers. And this gave me BG1 vibes. The classic case of a quest-giver handing you off the responsibilities of a seeming fetch quest without acknowledging your capabilities or deeds, without a good reason. Instantly got BG1 vibes and I thought this was going to be one of BG2's weaker quests. And I was wrong. However, the fact that this quest starts off with a sewer level was not a good impression for me. In fact, I can't recall if there ever was a good sewer level in any game.

But if you commit, you will get rewarded with a very interesting questline. Things do get intriguing and you start feeling less like doing a simple fetch-quest and more like a detective investigating some lovecraftian-horror conspiracy. You could just go ahead and destroy the cult, be done with the quest that way. Or you could take up the cult's offer to find a lost artifact, further investigate this cult through this method. You learn about outcasts who reject this so-called new god, you learn about spies amongst the cult, you investigate this lost ancient caverns home to an actual but dying god with his own followers who are suffering from a lack of purpose and identity. There's a bit of backtracking here and forth, but ultimately you do learn the artifact is like the "one ring" from Lord of the Rings and no one should have this power. You learn the cult worships not a god but what is essentially an unusually powerful Beholder, sort of like Razmir from Pathfinder. And you can also help free the followers of this dying god, break their cycle, creating a very satisfying conclusion to this quest. That said, not the best quest in BG2, but it is a reminder just how vastly improved BG2's quest design is compared to BG1, that most of BG2's quests are always worth looking into, even if they at first, start off as a seemingly boring fetch quest.

I was playing the shadowrun games again, was playing a mage with high biotechnology and it was nice to be able to be knowledgeable about medical issues but still able to fry someone to death. Got me thinking, what's the best crpg to roleplay a doctor? Extra points if I can handle myself in a fight

First of all merry chirstmas to everyone that celebrates it.

I'm interested in a trying out a crpg and would like to know if there are any that would be a good intro to an action game gamer so i can get into them a bit more easily.

Thanks you everyone in advance

Hi all,

I have decided that I will be choosing between the POE 2 and Tyranny to play. I was wondering which one would you guys recommend overall. For POE, I would also be getting all the DLC as the price on Steam is currently low. I'm looking for a good story, class based system and where my choices matter.

Thanks.

Hi! I just got into CRPGs this year and have played Baldur’s Gate 3 and Divinity: Original Sin 2. I absolutely loved them and am craving more, so I’m planning to pick up a couple of new games for the winter sale.

What I enjoy most about these games are:

1. The world—It’s hard to explain, but I love when I can talk to anyone and the world feels alive and immersive, like it’s constantly moving around me.
2. The story

I don’t mind the combat as long as it’s not overly clunky, and I’d prefer a game with voice acting. Any recommendations?

Thanks in advance

I saw the recent thread on people's favorite companions in CRPG's and it had me thinking about all those companions that people love but that don't get as much recognition. I'm mostly talking about companions you loved but that you don't see people talk about or don't get the appreciation from the fandom you think they should. Here are a couple of mine to start off

Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening: Justice

I'm a big fan of Dragon Age Awakening especially the companions and honestly you could put most of them on here as I feel like when they don't get talked about a lot besides Anders. Justice was a big favorite of mine as I love companions that are races you can't play as yourself in a game. His storyline of being a spirit trapped in a decaying rotting body was very interesting to me especially with how he deals with his black and white view in the very grey world of Dragon Age. To me he felt like he was basically a 2d character being brought in a 3d world and how they deal and view it. Combat wise he was one of the new warrior subclasses which was made him interesting to play around with in combat too.

Planescape: Torment: Nordom

I only just finished Planescape: Torment but I really enjoyed Nordom in the short time that I had him. Compared to Ignus and Vhailor I felt Nordom had a lot more interactions and content in the game and felt more interesting to talk to with how he views the world. I think it's just a huge shame that just like Vhailor you will probably only get him pretty late in the game or can end up missing him entirely which to me was a huge bummer only having him for the last area. He's also voiced by the same actor as Homer Simpson which was fun to find out when I looked it up

Warhammer 40k Rogue Trader: Ulfar

When I saw that there was going to be a Space Wolf in Rogue Trader I'll admit I was disappointed as I'm not a particularly huge Space Wolves fan. When I got Ulfar though I really loved him and his storyline especially because I felt that Owlcat nailed how the Space Wolves should actually be represented especially his voice acting. Argenta and Aleberd get a lot more love just due to how strong they are in combat and how great they are as characters while Ulfar was a bit weak at launch so I feel he kinda went under the radar a bit compared to other companions. Still though his personal quest felt unique and fun and I enjoyed his writing greatly.

I’m very interested in playing Rogue Trader but i wanna make sure i know what im getting in to. I’m enjoying Owlcat’s previous game Wrath of the Righteous but ever since i hit the Crusader mode ive lost a lot of steam playing the game and im worried that Rogue Trader is gonna have some other gimmick thats gonna distract from the core gameplay.

so my question is, is there anything similar to that in Rogue Trader? and if so is it at least fun to interact with that mechanic?

I.e. not developed by Larian, Owlcat or Obsidian.

I've been playing the early access for Banquet for Fools and really enjoying it. Got me into their previous game, Serpent in the Staglands.

I'm not sure how obscure the Exile: Escape from the Pit/Avernum games are, but as someone who only got into crpgs in the past few years, it's been so exciting to learn about these more hidden gems. Same feelings about Underrail (even though it doesn't seem all that obscure)

Hi all,

I'm looking for games to play that don't contain real Gods or deities in the game. I'm okay if there are different religions in the game as long as none of the Gods are considered real in the universe.

Thanks.