r/AmericaBad MISSISSIPPI 🪕👒 1d ago

Peak Mentality

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u/the_battle_bunny 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 1d ago

Controversial take: talking about annexing other countries without seeking prior consent of people to be annexed is bad.

Also, the people of Greenland might not be thrilled about the idea of being traded like a sack of potatoes. Especially since they are currently provided universal healthcare and other amenities of modern Scandinavian-model state.

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u/Typical-Machine154 21h ago
  1. Annexing Canada is a joke. They're pretty much already the same country anyway.

  2. He's offering to buy Greenland, and we already have military bases there, so that makes a great deal of sense. Part of it is ours already, Thule airbase.

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u/the_battle_bunny 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 21h ago

And what if the locals say "no"?

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u/Typical-Machine154 21h ago

I'm not sure if they get to ratify whatever change happens or not. They didn't get to say no when the Danish came and they didn't get to say no to the airbase so I'm not sure.

Honestly I'm not sure it matters. Even if they did say no they'd just be offered money until they said yes.

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u/the_battle_bunny 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 21h ago

Denmark said that no change of the island's status is possible without the Icelanders' consent. What's then? Taking it by force Russia-style?

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u/Typical-Machine154 21h ago

No. We offer them money until they do.

You really must be an "America bad" person if you really think that's how we work. We aren't taking anything by force.

Most land in our nation hasn't been taken through direct confrontation with the owners. If we were doing this old school a massive amount of settlers would move to Greenland until they outnumber the natives, then vote. Immigration laws now make this impossible so we would most likely solve this issue with money.

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u/the_battle_bunny 🇵🇱 Polska 🍠 21h ago

You may search my post history and you can see that I often defend America.

However this whole expansionist frenzy is concerning considering how it rings so many oddly similar bells. Also, it's not true that historically America expanded through land purchase. You sure did purchase Alaska, but certainly not Hawaii.

I already said, there's many reasons why people allied to America and even loving America might not want to be part of it. The large reason is that they currently live in welfare states with tight environmental regulations. Take a look at Greenlanders who currently have universal healthcare and jealously guard their island from being strip mined by giant mining conglomerates. Imagine for a second their perspective on changing the country from Denmark to US. They will be no longer covered by Danish universal healthcare but instead the predatory American healthcare insurance companies will pour in, taking additional advantage of locals not knowing how to deal with them. Plus, their new federal government would be in bed with bottom of the barrel mining corporations. Nightmare stuff.

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u/Typical-Machine154 21h ago edited 20h ago
  1. Louisiana purchase, Alaska, Gadsden purchase, Mexican secession (we gave them 15 million in exchange for the territory) Florida purchase.

The vast majority of the united state's land acquisitions were purchases. We have gained far less with bullets than with gold, and it's clear you don't know our history very well.

  1. The greenlanders would most likely be an organized unincorporated territory like Puerto Rico. I see you don't understand how US territories work so let me give you a brief overview.

A territory forms its own government and pays no federal tax. A territory can vote in and enforce its own taxes and laws. A territory could tax mining specifically and use the money to create a state health insurance plan for their own native citizens only. They also don't have to follow the constitution so they can discriminate based on native status, and that's already commonplace on native reservations so we are used to it.

A US territory is a essentially a sovereign country under the protection of the United States government, free to associate with us as much or as little as desired.