r/xbox • u/Kaladinar • 16h ago
Discussion Indiana Jones may have arrived too late for many awards ceremonies, but it’s definitely one of the best games of 2024 regardless
https://www.vg247.com/indiana-jones-game-of-the-year-2024163
u/ComeonmanPLS1 16h ago
Won't it just get counted for the next year's awards? Especially since it releases on PS5 as well in 2025.
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u/MrMusou 16h ago
Yeah, though games in this situation don’t typically win because the show is basically an entire year later. The PS5 version releasing next year probably helps its chances to get some awards at least.
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u/93LEAFS 16h ago
Very few games worthy of it have missed the cutoff. The last big one I can remember is CyberPunk 2077, but that game released in such a horrific state, no chance it was going to get rewarded. It made all the publications look terrible by only giving them a PC copy to review, while the 8th gen games were completely busted.
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u/cardonator Founder 13h ago
Jedi: Fallen Order also released right after the cutoff. It was nominated for a few awards in 2020 but didn't win many of them. At TGA, it was only nominated for Best Action/Adventure Game. Which it didn't win.
It was up against * AC: Valhalla * Ghost of Tsushima * Ori and the Will of the Wisps * Spider-Man Miles Morales * The Last of Us Part 2
TLOU2 won, and also won GOTY.
Comparing that to 2019 for both GOTY and Best Action/Adventure Game, I think it would have stood a much better chance of winning.
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u/93LEAFS 13h ago
2020 was just stacked. I loved Fallen Order, but I don't think it deserved to be a GOTY contender even if it was released 2 months later. That was probably the most stacked year in recent memory between TLOU Part 2, Ghost of Tsushima, Hades, Final Fantasy VII remake, Doom Eternal, and Animal Crossing (a cultural phenomenon in the early stages of the pandemic). 2019 was def weaker, I don't see it beating Seikiro because FromSoft is adored, and personally, I thought Control was more revolutionary. But, Fallen Order probably could have snagged a nom that year potentially over something like The Outer Worlds (a game I enjoyed and am looking forward to the sequel).
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u/93LEAFS 12h ago
Even if you discount The Last of Us part 2 (which I don’t agree with), it’s still not in the running vs Hades and Ghost of Tsushima.
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u/Arrasor 11h ago
Lmao FO has worse story and graphic than Ghost, worse mechanics than Hades, and had the most janky launch out of all the GOTY contenders. No wat it could have won any award. It only made the nomination thanks to the prestige of carrying Star Wars on its logo.
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u/fool_spotter_bot 9h ago
FO has worse story and graphic than Ghost,
No it didn't, Tsushima looked like a blurry shit on ps4. Only on ps4 PRO did it look decent.
worse mechanics than Hades
Agreed but how the fuck does TLOUS 2 compare then? It's miles worse.
had the most janky launch
Nah it was alright, you are confusing with the horrendous Jedi Survivor launch last year. Nightmare-tier stuff.
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u/Eglwyswrw Homecoming 9h ago
Nah Fallen Order easily beats both for me. Hades is cool but got repetitive and Tsushima's stealth was a bore.
FO had a solid story, cool graphics, a never-before-seen fusion of Metroidvania with Star Wars, superb combat mechanics... FF was the only contender I find just as worthy.
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u/_Alas7er_ 17m ago
You can find joke comments like this only on an xbox sub, lmao. You guys really live in your own alternative reality.
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u/RandomnessConfirmed2 Xbox Series X 12h ago
Exactly. There were multiple solid bangers that year, but somehow the worst one won it all.
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u/Eglwyswrw Homecoming 7h ago
I don't think it deserved to be a GOTY contender
I mean, if the winner that year was fucking TLOUS2 then Fallen Order absolutely could have won as well.
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u/Internal_Swing_2743 4h ago
Ok, I like Fallen Order as much as the next person. But it is not even remotely close to The Last of Us Part II in quality.
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u/lazzzym Still Finishing The Fight 16h ago
Probably not because the Game Awards seem to forget anything that was released the year prior before the cut off date.
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u/PepsiSheep 15h ago
I think Microsoft releasing it on PS5 will give it a second wind for people's memory.
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u/Imaginary_Cause2216 12h ago
Also next year is absolutely stacked for games: GTA 6, Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2, Monster Hunter Wilds, Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, Split Fiction, First Berzerker, Doom, Aowed, Fable, etc. While recency bias is a factor i imagine getting a spot next year will be harder than it was this year
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u/pukem0n 16h ago
People will forget it and it's an Xbox game. It won't even get nominated.
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u/Taurus24Silver 16h ago
Next year is packed though
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u/LZR0 16h ago
Even if it wasn’t, Xbox games are just not that liked by journalists (which are the ones who vote at TGA).
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u/brokenmessiah 16h ago
Didn't Xbox win best publisher a few years ago?
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u/TyAD552 14h ago
They did but that’s through Metacritic. That’s based on releasing enough games with a specific review score or higher (I think it was 80-85?) honestly I think they’ve done great this gen despite what people online will tell you. 2021, 2023, and this year have had so many options to choose from out of their studios
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u/brokenmessiah 7h ago
I think they just haven't yet shown people they can put out consistent quality like Nintendo and Sony. It's a coin toss. 2023 in my opinion was very inconsistent and that's with them delaying literally all of 2022 titles to bolster 2023. 2021 the title that needed to hit Halo didn't.
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u/TyAD552 6h ago
I know there have definitely been misses, but what’s good enough for people? Halo even now has a 7.9 on metacritic for user reviews and 87 critic reviews. Redfall was obviously a flop, Starfield was mixed but Sony and Nintendo have had similar results lately with the likes of Concord for Sony and Brothership for Nintendo. That’s also ignoring the two remasters of games that are 5 years old from Sony which feels real greedy to do.
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u/brokenmessiah 6h ago
First impressions matter and it's nice that Halo Infinite got some nice updates but no one cares because most of the players left a month after the game came out barren. Starfield was touted as a Game of the Generation hardly comparable to Concord and Brotherhood. You can call the remasters greedy but if they are selling then that just means Sony is putting out content their consumers want and I don't see how that's a bad thing. For every "bad" release Nintendo and Sony do they have 5 that are unquestionably quality. It's essentially never even in question if Sony and Nintendo will be nominated and win a award.
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u/TyAD552 6h ago
My examples are in response to you saying that they don’t release consistent games, and your example is a game that even after a rough launch is still reviewed at 7.9/10 for the people that play it. Aside from that, you’re saying Sony and Nintendo constantly release consistently good titles but they haven’t this year just like Xbox hasn’t always. I enjoy my time on my Xbox and aside from Redfall, have enjoyed every game they’ve released this generation, so, in my opinion, Xbox has hit with consistency at the same level.
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u/pineapplesuit7 16h ago edited 14h ago
Indiana Jones is a quality game that would have easily qualified for GOTY this year had it released earlier. It wouldn't have won it in my opinion as the other titles were slightly better titles but would have been easily nominated as a contender. The whole notion of 'Xbox games are not liked' is just a false narrative set up by the folks here who think good but not great exclusives deserve to win GOTY. Tell me 1 exclusive in the past 5 or heck 10 years that cuts the bar vs the below list and has a decent wide stream appeal? Here are the winners of overall GOTY for the past decade:
2014 - Dragon Age
2015 - Witcher 3
2016 - Overwatch
2017 - Zelda:BOTW
2018 - God of War
2019 - Sekiro
2020 - The Last of Us 2
2021 - It Takes 2
2022 - Elden Ring
2023 - Baldur's Gate 3
2024 - Astro Bot
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u/CarlosAlvarados 12h ago
Not saying I agree with conspiracies. Psychonauts 2 is far better than it takes 2. But yeah other were years it's hard to argue. Maybe Ori 2 should have been nominated on 2020
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u/Taurus24Silver 16h ago
I don't think any xbox game would have made it for the past 5 years though( I really wanted Hifi rush last year)
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u/Exorcist-138 16h ago
Psychonauts 2 made the nominations in 2021. Forza horizon 5 should have made it as it was very well received
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u/Taurus24Silver 16h ago
Oh yes Psychonauts is a good shout. Same for Forza, I have no idea dafuq was Stray doing there.
Xbox should have marketed Psychonauts more
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u/versace_drunk 15h ago
Why do you think it was there?
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u/Taurus24Silver 15h ago
Stray? Probably as the Indie representative, but there were quite a handful of better Indies.
Even other than FH5, a handful of games were more deserving
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u/Exorcist-138 16h ago
Nah it’s just shows that the media is bias, I don’t watch the awards for the awards.
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u/Taurus24Silver 16h ago
Xbox is not helping themselves though for quite some time. Indiana is a very rare exception.
Stsrfield was a must deliver title
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u/Exorcist-138 16h ago
I don’t agree, also starfield was great for a lot of people.
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u/LZR0 16h ago
Yeah the fact Hi-Fi wasn’t even nominated made me convinced an Xbox game would never be featured that way in any Keighley event, and I still think Hi-Fi Rush is the best game to come out under the Xbox banner since Sunset Overdrive, was my second personal GOTY last year just after Zelda TOTK, and Microsoft’s response to such an amazing game was… to close the studio.
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u/Taurus24Silver 16h ago
Last year was waayyy too packed though.Hifi rush probably barely missed out. Still my top 5 from last year
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u/cardonator Founder 13h ago
This is always the problem, though. This year was packed, too. Recency bias is a real thing, and there are other factors that don't help. If the game had released a month earlier, it would have been nominated for some awards. Now, id probably won't even be nominated, or it will be in a sub category like Best Action/Adventure Game. This is one of many reasons why awards are actually pretty meaningless.
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u/IsamuAlvaDyson 14h ago
And what Xbox games would have been that good to be nominated for game of the year?
Forza Horizon? Racing games never get nominated for game of the year even though it was a great game
Other than that what else in these past years?
It's simply that Xbox hasn't released a game of the year contender in a really really long time, hence why Xbox has been in a downfall for a decade under Phil Spencer
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u/nikolapc 16h ago
Yeah, if GTA comes out its game over. Anyway, awards are for marketing mostly, dev ego strokes second, but I do expect it to get nominated in the first major awards it's eligible for, I think DICE? Shame it's not up for Baftas.
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u/SilveryDeath XBOX 10h ago
It's missed the cutoff for Golden Joystick (November 1st, November 8th for GOTY), The Game Awards (November 22nd), and BAFTA (November 15th). So it will have to wait until next time to be nominated at any of them.
I feel like it could be up for stuff at BAFTA given it seems like their type of game in terms of noms for certain categories and could be up for GOTY at Golden Joystick since they do 12-20 noms whereas the others only do 5-6. I know Inquisition and Fallout 4 both missed the cutoff for Golden Joystick the year they came out, but both got a GOTY nod at the next year's event.
Not sure how DICE would work for Indiana since their deadline is December 6th and that was one day after its early window release.
It will be up for GDC since their deadline is any game that releases in 2024.
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u/braidsfox 14h ago edited 11h ago
Really enjoyed this game even though second half wasn’t nearly as strong as the first. The puzzles and dungeons of the Vatican and Gizeh were top tier, but I found Sukhothai pretty boring. Also not a fan of the game abruptly ending with no real resolution to anything. I understand they are setting up for DLC, but ehhh.
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u/bezzlege 11h ago
Sukhothai was horrible IMO. It was a pain to traverse, there were a ton more collectibles and copy/pasted puzzles (how many cog wheels did we really need guys?) and (ymmv, I played on PC) I got half the FPS in Sukhothai than I did every other level in the game. Idk if it was the water or foliage, but I was struggling to get 60fps when I got 120+ in literally every other level in the game. Not to mention the bugs throughout.
The first half of the game was an 8.5 to me, the second half was a 7.5, it’s a solid 8.
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u/JGT3000 10h ago
Same opinion here, Sukhothai really dragged down the game and it unfortunately comes right as the systems start wearing a little thin in a playthrough too. I hated the boat, I hated the semi-instant death "stealth" first person platformer sections. Others seemed to love it but I hated the drug induced semi-Horror segment side quest. Just really weak. And then the final section was short and abrupt.
And yes, didn't help that I got there right as an update got pushed through that did help with a lighting issue but also killed my frame rate and started causing occasional hard crashes until I fumbled in settings for awhile. But I actually don't hold that too much against the game cause I was under spec for it
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u/braidsfox 10h ago edited 35m ago
Sukhothai also comes after the absolutely amazing mission in the Himalayas/Shanghai. It really sets the bar high as you get a glimpse of the true power of the great circle, and you’re left wondering what other insane shit will happen as the game progresses. Then nothing else happens lol
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u/ArkhamCityWok 10h ago
Wait. I just started the game, does the main game really not resolve everything to leave it for DLC?!? That will really annoy me
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u/braidsfox 10h ago edited 10h ago
It does resolve the conflict with a certain villain, but not a whole lot about the great circle. There’s a secret cut scene if you collect all the relics that hints where the DLC will take place.
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u/ArkhamCityWok 10h ago
That’s really disappointing to hear… I rarely go back for dlc in games so hopefully I find the ending satisfying enough. I don’t mind if dlc stories are fully separate adventures but I hate the idea of a proper ending being behind dlc.
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u/braidsfox 10h ago edited 10h ago
It definitely leaves you with more questions than answers in regard to the great circle.
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u/Bobaaganoosh 11h ago
I really enjoyed the first like 12-15 hours of it. But once it got towards the end I kinda got a little burnt out on it and was ready for it to be over. I had the drive to 100% it but whew. So many collectibles and shit to get. Especially once you get the books that show you where they are on the maps. There’s so much.
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u/CalmRadBee 11h ago
I'm having a blast, def my goty I think. Stalker would have been had it launched better
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u/thepaulfitz 10h ago
I just started it, and to my eternal shame I didn't pick up on what the opening level was until way too late. Great beginning to what seems like a great game anyway, looking forward to seeing where it goes.
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u/Waffles_McSyrup 8h ago
When I first heard of this game, all I thought was oh great ... another game cashing in on a franchise and it will be a fucking dumpster fire.
I was so happy to see I was astronomically wrong.
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u/c0micsansfrancisco 6h ago
Lots of potential but some big flaws. Jank and bugs mostly. It'll all come down to what comes out in 2025 but I see it losing on GOTY. Recency bias may also play against it by the time the 2025 GOTY gets picked
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u/Ukis4boys 15h ago
It's good but definitely not award deserving. Solid 8-8.5/10.
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u/Nopeyesok 15h ago
They really need these completionist bugs fixed. I’m locked out of 100% because of a wide spread glitch that skipped getting the cat mummy in the Vatican. Along with it (in the same area) auto skipping the boss fight and most important and longest cutscene in the game explaining everything
Yeah it’s a good game. But issues like above stop it from getting a nomination from myself and all the others this happened too.
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u/Ukis4boys 15h ago
Completely irrelevant to how good the game is but sure
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u/Nopeyesok 15h ago
Game breaking bugs that skip a huge chuck of story, skip a boss fight, and skip a key item soft locking you out of completion. Are not irrelevant. Along with quick resume being busted. And other soft locking issue like being stuck in a wall and having to quit and reload. These all have an affect on how good a game is.
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u/rikman81 13h ago
What's the key item bug?
I 100%'d it a few days ago and didn't have any issues with completion, though I did have a bug where everyone was instantly aggro'd at me or cowering in fear like I had my gun out when I didn't.
Rolling back to a previous save sorted that out though.
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u/Nopeyesok 13h ago
search for the cat mummy. At the end of the Vatican it’s the final adventure record to complete and get 41/42. The issue is quite a high percentage of people had a series of bugs in that exact area. In the treasure room. While looking around. All the sudden a cutscene started with you chasing Voss to the Airship. With no context. This skips not only the most important cutscene in the game, the first boss fight, but also does not mark the cat statue as found. Upon returning to the area you can trigger the cutscene and boss fight. But the cat statue is now post broken on the floor, is unable to be collected leaving your completion stuck at 41/42 in the Vatican
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u/rikman81 10h ago
Ah that sucks, I'd read about the cutscene/skipping boss fight issue but didn't realise it affected a collectible as everything played out normally for me there.
Hope they fix it soon so you can get your completion.
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u/cardonator Founder 13h ago
All I'm going to say is that Baldur's Gate 3 had multiple game breaking and progression blocking bugs last year and it won multiple GOTY awards and sub category awards.
This is what people mean when they say Xbox games are held to a different standard.
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u/Nopeyesok 11h ago
I agree with that. They’re held differently. I did not play BG3 so I cannot speak to that. I’m sure Indiana here will be pathed and fixed soon. Was just saying in its current state, I do not find it in talks for GOTY. It is extremely fun and all should try it! The specific bug(s) I encountered (spoiler tagged in another comment) just were pretty huge for a story driven game.
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u/cardonator Founder 11h ago
Progression blocking bugs when you happen to hit them are super frustrating. I remember in Gears 5 getting the progression lock on the desert area at the very end of the chapter and the only fix at the time was to restart the entire chapter from the beginning. It sucked.
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u/Nopeyesok 10h ago
I’ve only experienced 2 huge major ones that absolutely ruined my experience.
Dead Space 2 on launch night. On one of the final chapters there was a dark room (Dead Space, duh haha). Needed a security power block for a door towards end of the chapter. I accidentally let go of Kenosis and the block when flying around the room at the speed of sound and disappeared. All reloads did not load the block. Couldn’t move through the door. Had to restart the whole game.
Halo 3. Also launch night. Stayed up for 6hours plowing through the campaign. The final mission would not load. Just stalled on load screen. Long story short. It was an unknown bug where if you had Halo 2 map DLC installed on your 360 it glitched the load of the final campaign mission. News to everyone. I even went to GameStop when they reopened the next day and they gave me a new copy of the Halo 3 disc (which still failed). So now I have a legendary Halo 3 Edition case, helmet, collector stuff with a standard version disc.
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u/WhimsicalBombur 13h ago
What other games was actually award deserving this year except for maybe Astro Bot? Most was mediocre stuff.
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u/MaximusJCat 15h ago
I enjoyed it, but damn is it buggy. I almost missed side quests because nothing showed up on my map. Collectibles stayed on my map even after picking them up. And for some reason, every time I push an enemy off a ledge my controller turns off and pauses the game.
Guess PlayStation will be getting the ultimate version of this game after we beta test it for them. Guessing it will be in better standing for game awards then since it will be coming out again in spring.
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u/aKIRALE0 16h ago
Tbh It always happens to Xbox, as if Geoff was kinda leaving out Xbox games out of the discussion. Everybody knows November is a hot season but Geoff never includes them...
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u/shinikahn 13h ago
Dumb take to be honest, the deadline has always been around the first days of December. If Xbox cared for TGA, they already would have known to release sooner. What's the point of playing victim?
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u/BenHDR Reclamation Day 15h ago
Alternatively, Xbox could just not choose to release a major title mere weeks before the end of the year that they want nominated for that year's award show? Given the cutoff date for nominations is announced in advance and is roughly around the same time each year?
It's hardly a "gotcha" from Geoff when it's so easily circumvented. We watch every other publisher in the industry manage to work around it. How is Geoff leaving Xbox games out of the discussion when Hellblade released in May and won multiple awards at the very same show? This reads like blatant fanboyism.
Indiana Jones will be valid for the 2025 TGA's because Xbox released it after the cutoff date. It's not a conspiracy. Is Geoff intentionally leaving NetEase out of the conversation because Rivals released post-cutoff? Does he have a vendetta against Sony and Papergames because Infinity Nikki couldn't make the cut?
It'll be up to the voting committee to decide whether or not Indiana Jones deserves to be nominated alongside all of the big-name games releasing next year - something that Xbox and ZeniMax knew when deciding upon the release date. Whether they were right or wrong in that decision can be debated, but I don't think they're being targeted at all.
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u/eiamhere69 15h ago
There'll be a lot of crying next year also, saying Xbox had very clear GOTY winners, (multiple), but we're robbed, they were forced to compete against GTA VI, etc
There is a very common and vocal group here who constantly try to push talk of their being an agenda against Microsoft/Xbox, or they are always disadvantaged, when in the opposite is true.
The reality is Microsoft have spent over $100B and look to now maybe having some decent games on the horizon. I don't think they have genuinely had a game which can be considered for game of the year, over the actual winners we've had, I don't even think it's a close call either.
The situation may be different in a few years, but they still aren't there yet.
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u/cardonator Founder 13h ago
IMO, Xbox just doesn't really care about TGA anymore as far as awards go, and I think that's reasonable. I don't think they get any kind of negative treatment there, but I also don't think they get fair treatment either for a variety of reasons.
And ultimately it's fine. The awards don't mean that much anyway. TGA is an advertisement vehicle and Xbox takes plenty of advantage of that side of it.
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u/Internal_Swing_2743 4h ago
The Great Circle is excellent and tells probably the best Indy story since Last Crusade. However, it wouldn’t have even been nominated for GOTY this year if it were eligible. The critical reception wasn’t high enough. Even though it was better record than Black Myth Wukong.
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u/nikolapc 16h ago
It's my personal Game of the Year in a year of a lot of amazing games that I changed my personal GOTY like 5 times as the year went on. I think it's doing great and has great hype despite not being up for some awards, and hey at least Astro got recognition on its third amazing game.
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u/Swan990 11h ago
Easily my goty. Considering one of the options at the awards was a dlc (which was great but still), the field was weak. This excels.
For a single player adventure like Playstation exclusives, it's easily better than GoW and Spiderman for me. But not Ghost of Tsushima.
Its 9/10. I don't see any game released this year above an 8. If next year is a similar field of games it should win next award cycle.
Disclaimer - this is just, like, my opinion man
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u/shotgunn66t 10h ago
Game awards will acknowledge it once it comes to PlayStation and only when it comes to PlayStation.
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u/TheCorbeauxKing 16h ago
It wasn't going to be nominated even if it released earlier, its not on PS5 so its not a real game to journalists.
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u/ComeonmanPLS1 15h ago
The victim complex on this sub is something else
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u/Imaginary_Cause2216 12h ago edited 12h ago
Fr, people act like Xbox if puts out a 90+ review score best seller with impressive graphics and quality/performance modes that run well on launch it wont get a GOTY nomination
I know Sony is the publisher with the most GOTY nominations at 3 wins and 13 nominees, but i dont think that means they're glazing Sony or shunning Xbox.
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u/ahhh-its-snowing 13h ago
Seriously... I don't know what it is about The Great Circle that has some people acting like literal Swifties on this sub
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u/MaximusJCat 15h ago
It releases in spring on PS5
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u/TheCorbeauxKing 15h ago
Which is the only reason why it even got positive reviews in the first place.
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u/Imaginary_Cause2216 12h ago
If you inronically genuinely believe that then thats new levels of delusional cope
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u/TheCorbeauxKing 12h ago
It's only delusion if it's false. I never forgot Titanfall 1 and Rise of the Tomb Raider.
If you genuinely believe that human beings can't have biases then I want to go to whatever fairytale world you're living in.
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u/Emperor-Octavian 12h ago
It’s so weird that the Game Awards are in December. Would make so much more sense to hold them in Q1 of the following year along with all the other actually credible award shows. Though it’s really just a big advertising event so doubt they care either way
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u/klljmnnj 8h ago
Honestly, it is better it is not nominated for awards. It would just attract toxic people to comments.
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u/Creepy_Antelope_873 15h ago
But is it better than Astro bot???
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u/silentcrs 15h ago
That’s a good question. Astrobot was very good and a family favorite. That may give it the advantage.
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u/Creepy_Antelope_873 15h ago
That, or it’s one of the most overrated games of all time
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u/silentcrs 15h ago
Astrobot? It’s very good.
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u/Creepy_Antelope_873 13h ago
It’s fine. It’s not great or anything like people are making it out to be (IMO)
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u/shinikahn 13h ago
You're entitled to your opinion, but if the whole world thinks it's good, they might be onto something
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u/Creepy_Antelope_873 13h ago
I won’t lie, the disconnect between what I read about how other people feel about the game and what I feel I see and experience with the game is a little confusing to me.
It’s a good platformer, don’t get me wrong. But I feel like that’s it. Not a console seller, and certainly not a GOTY candidate.
Oh well 🤷♂️
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u/bigfatround0 7h ago
Literally my thoughts regarding Indiana Jones. I feel like people are putting it on a pedestal because it's the best game an Xbox studio has put out in years.
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u/ArchDucky XBOX 15h ago
Astrobot isn't hard or difficult in the slightest. Its just cute and shiny. Hell even the platforming doesn't live up to Mario like everyone kept saying it did.
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u/cardonator Founder 13h ago
I agree with this. I loved the game, like I did the previous Astrobot entries as well. But it's not GOTY, and wouldn't even be thought about twice if it didn't have all the nostalgia bait.
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u/F0REM4N 12h ago
It may have been too late for many accolades - but not yours! There is still time to vote in the 2024 r/Xbox community game awards!