r/worldnewsvideo Dec 05 '22

News Report 🌏 SCOTUS's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade is directly impacting people experiencing miscarriages.

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

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u/trojan25nz Dec 06 '22

Why would I lose my job for acting within the law?

Huh? Are you just making shit up then?

All of them if they're refusing to treat an ectopic pregnancy.

Yes. Because their careers are being threatened

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 09 '22

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u/trojan25nz Dec 06 '22

You're claiming that someone who performs a legal act will lose their job for performing an illegal act, despite the act that is being claimed as illegal is legal.

You CAN lose your job. You can fight to get it back or be compensated, but you can still be stood down, or put on administrative leave, or be sued in which you have to organise a response

How are the two even related?

And that’s still a threat. Normal people don’t wanna be sued, have their licenses revoked, etc regardless of how ‘legally’ they’re protected…

Clearly, the discussions are about NO LONGER HAVING LEGAL PROTECTIONS

so it doesn’t matter whether it’s specifically legal now. The places that ARE protecting it have doctors that do the procedures without second guessing, which is what you’re wanting. They’re not ‘being political’ about it, right? I wonder why…

That’s not the case for anti abortion states

Not for treating ectopic pregnancies

It’s not clear what they can do. They say it themselves

You’re inventing some weird narrative where doctors are responsible even though they’re licensed by the state lol

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u/trojan25nz Dec 06 '22

so every doctor in every state that is not performing abortions to treat ectopic pregnancies is doing it for politics, not for "preserving their job" or whatever.

You’re overlooking the legal and social threat of not having job security when politicians say they’re targeting abortions now

People aren’t robots, timely legal information and occupational insecurity are factors you’re not considering, and they don’t have timely access to legal information that you imply they must have

What they and literally everyone else in those states hear is, “abortions are illegal”

Doctors will go on standby until it’s been confirmed, as they are doing

That’s not the doctors doing ‘politics’. That’s what you do when you’re told the rules are now changing. You wait for clarification

You personally seem reassured. The doctors don’t

Maybe you’re the one doing ‘politics’ aye, blaming doctors that are literally employees for something the state threatens to do

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u/trojan25nz Dec 06 '22

I'm not overlooking anything, sorry.

You’ve reduced it all down to what the law says right now outside of what’s literally happening to it changing

You’ve ignored that doctors are professionals and can’t just keep their head down and carry on. They need to be proactive

They’re subject to the changing law, they’re exposed to lawsuits, and their own staff WANT to stop abortions and so report

A workplace doesn’t just run on law and rules. Surely, you have a job. Work politics can kill an environment, and when those politics are both within and above, people stop working.

Again, frontline workers have to make calls in the moment. Any hesitation will lead to deferring the issue until it’s literally life threatening (which may be too late).

The legality of abortion has introduced far too much doubt. Doctors aren’t confident they are acting within the law

You are confident… because you’re not in a position to have to make those choices

They have to

Do you have the same reservations with medical malpractice being illegal, therefore requiring doctors to consult with lawyers any time they want to perform any procedure to make sure it won't run afoul of those laws?

You’re not advocating for that

You believe the law is clear

They don’t. Like you said, they have lawyers

They don’t think it’s as clear cut as you think

I believe the people working in the industry, rather than some dude surfing for political content

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u/trojan25nz Dec 06 '22

Show me the doctors aren’t being consulted by their lawyers to be hesitant

Show me that they’re ignoring legal advice and refusing to operate just because politics

Your proof so far is you, as someone neither in the legal nor medical profession, supposing so

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is it reasonable?

There’s no appeal to commonsense when institutional changes are happening

An individual reasons

A group is politics

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