r/worldnewsvideo • u/CantStopPoppin 🔍Sourcer📚 🍿 PopPop🍿 • 15d ago
Luigi’s attorney: “He’s pleading not guilty. I haven't seen any evidence that says he's the shooter.”
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u/Picardknows 15d ago
More evidence that he was framed.
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u/Spirited-Reputation6 15d ago
In other words “zero evidence”.
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u/Appropriate_Ant_4629 15d ago
I'm hoping "self defense".
People have a far more legit fear of dying from a health insurance company's schemes, than from someone pulling a cell phone out of a pocket. Yet police get to shoot the latter a few times a week claiming fear for their lives.
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u/Bada__Ping 15d ago
To play devil’s advocate, would it be normal for the police to show evidence to the defendant’s lawyer less than 24 hours after the arrest?
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15d ago edited 15d ago
Yes, and required by law. They can only detain you for 24 hours if they have none.
Edit: this is not true for Pennsylvania, where he is being held. See ishearanimals comment for the specifics (it’s a lot I’m not re-typing that XD).
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u/ishearanimals 15d ago
This is not correct. According to Pennsylvania State law:
7) PRELIMINARY ARRAIGNMENT
If a warrant of arrest is issued, or if the process was initiated by a warrantless arrest, the defendant must appear before the district justice for a preliminary arraignment. At this proceeding the defendant is provided with a copy of the complaint and advised of his rights. A preliminary hearing is scheduled not less then three days but not more than ten days following preliminary arraignment.
8) PRELIMINARY HEARING
The preliminary hearing is also convened before a district justice. At the preliminary hearing the Commonwealth is required to present a prima facie case or, in other words, evidence that a crime has been committed and that the defendant is probably the perpetrator of that crime. Generally, in Franklin County all preliminary hearings are held at the Courthouse during Central Court.
The Commonwealth is represented by the District Attorney's Office. If a prima facie case is presented, the case will be held for court. If a prima facie case is not presented, the defendant should be discharged.
He was arrested via a warrantless arrest and has now had his preliminary arraignment where he finds out the charges against him. They are now allowed to hold him up to 3 days and no more than 10, as the judge has not granted bail at all in the preliminary arraignment, until the preliminary hearing where evidence will be presented on whether or not they believe he committed the crimes he is held for. He and his lawyer will receive what that evidence is in entirety prior to the preliminary hearing in order to file their plea. The prosecutor only has to do so 24 hours in advance of the preliminary hearing.
Remember, in Pennsylvania they have not charged him with murder, that's in New York. The state of Pennsylvania has charged him with other crimes. There are different rules for different states on timelines on how long suspects can be held.
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15d ago
Ahh the more you know! I figured he was being held on other charges , especially as you point out the murder was in NY and he is being held in Pennsylvania. Did not know about the nuances of being held in Pennsylvania though! Ty
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u/ishearanimals 15d ago
No worries! It is important to know the rights in the state you live in as well as your federal rights as a citizen. Not every rule applies to every state, and federal crimes have their own set of rules.
Example: In Massachusetts, spitting is illegal on public sidewalks, places used by pedestrians, and in certain public buildings. Punishable by a fine of no more than $20. Yet, you can cross the border into Connecticut and spit all over the sidewalk, as long as it doesn't hit anyone, for free!
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u/axelrexangelfish 14d ago
Well then. Thank the baby Jesus for upholding states’ rights. We’d be lost without them! /s
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u/Bada__Ping 15d ago
Thank you. This is what I suspected. I know everyone is cheering this dude on, but Reddit’s propensity to go straight to “this guy is being treated unlawfully” almost had me going for a minute.
I just want to wait and see what happens
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u/Bada__Ping 15d ago
So again, playing devil’s advocate, according to the law you reference, shouldn’t he be let out if no evidence was shown to the lawyer within 24 hours?
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u/Sir_wlkn_contrdikson 15d ago
No. If you read the comment he referenced, that does not apply in Pennsylvania. He also included the supporting information further down the comment. As a side note, those rules have been ignored many times. Especially when the victim is t aware of their rights Federal and state.
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u/tumericschmumeric 15d ago
Certainly not. There would be a probable cause hearing however to say there is enough suspicion of the individual charges.
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u/TendieRetard 14d ago
this is a trial by public opinion. He's pulling a Trump and getting ahead of it. Worked for Donald
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u/Omnipotent48 14d ago
It's not that, the premise of his answer was that he is the lawyer retained on Luigi's gun charge. He hasn't seen evidence of Luigi being "the shooter" because Luigi is currently being held on the gun charge, not on the murder charge.
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u/confusedandworried76 14d ago
His lawyer doing his job and saying he's innocent is evidence he was framed? Be a pretty shit lawyer if he said anything different.
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u/Gettinjiggywithit509 4d ago
In cases like this, lawyers typically aren't so forward with claiming their clients' innocence. Typically their verbiage leans towards repeating words tracks like:
We are going to do everything we can to get to the bottom of this.
We are working very closely with (defendant) and we are confident we will find a proper resolution
We are looking forward to our day in court
The confidence in his speech and body language are clear indicators that he truly has yet to see any hard evidence that is a....smoking gun....for lack of a better phrase
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
Devils/Prosecutors Advocate: He could have kept the weapon thinking he might wanna shoot it out with cops. He may have kept the fake IDs to provide a false identity to police as well. Dunno why the hell he'd have a manifesto on him too. Yes it's all suspicious.
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u/Beezelbub_is_me 15d ago
So if we find out he was framed, will there be even more blowback toward CEOs like that the one who is now worm dirt?
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u/pm-me-beewbs 15d ago
We can only hope.
I say that as a Canadian hoping for the best for you guys
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u/deadleg22 15d ago
If George Floyds death caused riots, I can see these scummy insurance companies and their CEOs getting Gaddafied.
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u/Harru-Da-Wiza 15d ago
If he gets out free… that’ll be wild wow. Excited to see this unfold
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u/Girafferage 15d ago
I'm going to guess a hung jury.
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u/BioSemantics 15d ago
Unfortunately, its likely he still gets got on gun/ID charges at the very least, which is why NY will just wait and wait, and let PA do its thing. If it goes to trial in PA though I'd expect its nearly impossible to find a jury to convict unanimously. I mean I could be wrong. NY let that subway murderer go, who knows what could happen. Maybe the whole jury will be the family of CEOs.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago edited 14d ago
Juries only get so many nullifications. The lawyer is currently fighting extradition.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqlj130rxpo
Those ticky tack fraud and gun charges are probationable, even if they are felonies. Murder obviously isn't.
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u/PM_ME_BUNZ 14d ago
How the hell would he get out free? The attorney is delusional.
Ballistics will make a match with the firearm he was carrying and at a very minimum they'll get him on gun/ID charges.
They're gonna make an example out of him and he's definitely going to be in jail for a long time.
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u/aafreis 14d ago
Do ballistics identify a particular ghost gun, even if they’re printed from the same ‘file’ that other ghost guns are? How do u differentiate between multiple ghost guns that could be the same? Genuinely curious, not trying to argue.
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u/PM_ME_BUNZ 14d ago
Yes, the barrel is still made of metal and ballistics analysts can match a projectile to a barrel it's fired out of.
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u/aafreis 14d ago
Oh damn!
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u/PM_ME_BUNZ 14d ago
Yeah, I have no idea why people are claiming "There's no evidence" before the trial even. They're going to have a truckload of evidence and already do.
This attorney has a rough road ahead of him.
I get that there's some "heroic martyr" vibes that Reddit likes, but this kid is screwed.
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u/TendieRetard 14d ago
Ballistics has been proven to be sham science, like phrenology. Their only chance is for them to Epstein him. I'm looking forward to his OJ-like acquittal. If the Manhattan subway strangler can walk, so will Luigi.
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u/RoxSteady247 15d ago
That's cause he was hanging out with me.
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u/Pinkie_floyden North America 🌎 15d ago
Boys...I think this is gonna be our generation's OJ case. The court case that will be filmed and broadcast to everyone everywhere in the US (maybe possibly). And it will be eye opening whether guilty or not.
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u/Flushed_Kobold 15d ago
Except OJ being a pos celebrity beforehand and got off from murdering his ex-wife and her friend because of LAPD being racist scum (which ironically killed affirmative action in the state soon after.)
The only parallel would be if this trial is publicly televised (unlikely) and the jury nullifies the verdict as a form of 'revenge' against part of society (which assuming this guy is even the killer I am 100% in favor for. Also really looking forward to more stories of 'CEOs increasing the stock'.)2
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u/rlaw1234qq 15d ago
Yes - I’ve been following this from the UK. It’s definitely going to be massive
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u/Onkelcuno 14d ago
The world has become far too intresting to watch. The fact that so many mad things are happening worldwide, broadcast to our screens is crazy. Following this all from Germany.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
I remember watching the Chauvin case. It got a lot of coverage too. This one might be more though.
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u/DeerOnARoof 14d ago
Lol absolutely not. The ruling class didn't care about OJ. They care about this guy. They want an example made of him
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u/Pinkie_floyden North America 🌎 14d ago
I'm mostly referring to the popularity of the case itself and if there's a possibility of it being televised it'll be watched by everyone in America. Less about the profile of the convicted, and more just the energy surrounding it.
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u/Theekg101 15d ago
Just to point out: he has a unibrow in the pictures. The killer had neatly shaved eyebrows. Unless he can grow half an inch of hair in less than an hour it wasn’t him.
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u/Scewbacca 15d ago
The great Vincent Gambini
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u/cavorting_geek 15d ago
...you were serious about dat?
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u/uey01 15d ago
Attorney’s pleased because this is the easiest not guilty.
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u/Golden-Grams 15d ago
Yep, it would be extremely difficult to connect him to the crime at all.
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u/Omnom_Omnath 14d ago
Prove it wasn’t planted by the police, who have a sordid history of planting evidence to frame people.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
Yeah very possible. I just made a much lengthier comment agreeing that it's suspicious to a similar comment.
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u/MarchMouth 14d ago
It's generally accepted that the assassin was too competent in his execution of the killing to have made toddler-esque mistakes like that.
If he made it out of one of the most watched cities on the planet during the largest manhunt in recent memory, then he either deliberately gave himself up with everything on his person to make himself a figurehead (which contradicts what his lawyer says in this video) or he was caught by illegal methods (parallel construction is the new learning topic of the day) and had the evidence planted on him.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
Very possible. Yeah it looks way too convenient. Especially after the backpack full of monopoly money was found in central park. One would think the gun, the suppressor, and the IDs would be found in that bag.
Reddit is a very popular site in the US and there's serious doubt among redditors with diverse viewpoints sharing their skepticism that this is the guy. Reddit it mostly libs and leftists, but the NYPost comment section is more conservative and they are also skeptical.
It's very possible all items were found in the bag and planted on this poor rich guy.
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u/Sallgoodmannnnn 15d ago
He didn't do it free him
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u/noisylettuce 14d ago edited 14d ago
Their single piece of evidence is a single cctv frame from Starbucks, which is owned by former CIA terrorists.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
I remember when the Starbucks CEO wanted to run third party and had absolutely 0 support.
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u/TendieRetard 14d ago
I can't be the only one that found the resemblance to the CCTV not 100%? I mean, yeah, they look alike, but so do a million other guys.
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u/GasPoweredStick420 14d ago
I’m American, and it sucks here. It’s just one big greedy corporation that is a terrorist by proxy. Unless you count Obamas ruthless drone bombing….but now we have a pit dog, Israehell to commit genocide for us. Our weapons, our bombs? We are responsible for every Palestinian death.
Then you have the systemic issue of a bastardized private militarized police system.
Atrocious, probably the worst health care in a 2nd or 1st world country.
Most of our food is purposefully made to be bad for us. (starch, canola, canola, soy bean oil, soy bean oil.)
We have a big pharmaceutical complex that perpetuates bad health but pushes and pushes and pushes pills that have shown to not help/hard on our organs.
Apparently we only believe in driving cars.
Now we are in this technology age where most everything around us is too much and too fast. It’s overwhelming. It’s disheartening. It’s infuriating. Sometimes it’s exciting and feels helpful, but not with all these atrocities being committed in our faces with no repercussions to the wrong doers.
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u/CuriousCryptid444 15d ago
Imagine if the jury declares him not innocent. That would send a strong message
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u/littlepup26 15d ago
Is the manifesto they allegedly found on him not evidence? I don't know much about how these things work but I would imagine it would be considered evidence, no?
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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob 15d ago
He had alot of stuff on him that was suspicious. Too much. Alot of people saying he was framed, and it wasn’t him. Why would the assassin carry the murder weapon around with him for 5 days after? At least ditch the illegal silencer part of the gun.
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u/littlepup26 15d ago edited 15d ago
Yes, that's why I said "allegedly," I don't believe a word out of a cops mouth until I see it on their bodycam. I once had a cop try to plant weed in my car when I was 19 and I learned a big lesson that day.
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u/one2zerojigawat 15d ago
Illegal silencer? Did he not have a tax stamp?
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u/one2zerojigawat 14d ago
Lol. Apparently, you have no idea. Head on over to r/NFA.
I can go buy a machine gun, explosives, and suppressors any day of the week. Just have to get a background check and pay for a tax stamp from the feds.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
I looked into it and you are correct. I just took the word of a friend and repeated something incorrect. It still varies by state though. I know NY is strict on guns but he was caught in PA which I imagine has looser gun laws.
Edit: I think the suppressor was 3d printed like the gun was which would likely make both illegal to the best of my knowledge. You easily could have better knowledge about that too.
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u/one2zerojigawat 14d ago
3d printed is fuzzy. I would assume much like you can't use an oil filter without that being illegal the same would apply to 3d printed suppressors.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
I think you may be correct in general but in this case, Mangione faced weapons charges in PA, independent of any charges from NY.
Following that arrest, Mangione has been charged with forgery, providing a false identification to police, and firearm offenses.
Again it likely varies by state. One of my ex's brothers makes firearms, including fully automatic weapons in WI as they've got the loosest gun laws of any state I've lived in. Now he couldn't do that down in Mikwaukee because of countywide restrictions on firearms building.
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u/one2zerojigawat 14d ago
FFL holders are governed under a different set of rules when it comes to what's legal and not. If he has one, that is.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
The gun was also illegal. It was a 3d printed unregistered ghost gun.
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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob 14d ago
All handguns are illegal in nyc you nimcompoop.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
There was a supreme court case that overturned blanket bans in Chicago, NYC and DC
For NYC
https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01683
https://nysba.org/new-york-gun-policies-rebuked-by-supreme-court-on-first-second-amendment-grounds/
https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/in-6-3-ruling-court-strikes-down-new-yorks-concealed-carry-law/
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u/DependentBug5310 15d ago
Huge Saul Goodman energy
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
I can't wait for the movie. It'd be smart to start the production now featuring Pete Davidson, Bob Odenkirk, with Bryan Cranston as Thompson.
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u/TRD_HRDR 15d ago
Where is this man’s Bailey, Blaiser, or Holley? This man’s Shapiro? His Dershowitz? HIS KARDASHIAN?!?
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u/kingcaii 14d ago
Police initially said the shooter came in on a bus from Atlanta, but could have gotten onto the bus at any point in between. Not close to Altoona PA.
The shooter had a black jacket on. The images from the hostel and elsewhere show a different person with a green version of the same/similar jacket.
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
Wow! 99% upvoted at 892. Reddit didn't even bother to send the downvoting bots to this post.
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u/TendieRetard 14d ago
I can't be the only one that found the resemblance to the CCTV not 100%? I mean, yeah, they look alike, but so do a million other guys.
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u/DataAdvanced 14d ago
Who is this guy? Is he any good?
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u/StoopSign North America 🌎 14d ago
Luigi Mangione comes from a very wealthy background so I assume so.
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u/Knightwing1047 14d ago
They literally have nothing on him. The only they might be able to get is illegal possession of a firearm.
Shit was planted, no one goes through all of that just to have all of the evidence that cops need conveniently located in his bag.
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