r/worldnewsvideo • u/CantStopPoppin šSourcerš šæ PopPopšæ • 18d ago
People in Syria have been tearing down statues all night; continue to celebrate the collapse of the Assad
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u/deohvii 18d ago
So many people having no idea about Syrian history leaving their opinion on the matter like it's a salat dish that they donāt like. As a Syrian i would like to invite you to read about the history of this mob regime and to leave Syria the F alone. We don't intervene in your politics stop intervening with ours. Now let us build the country back.
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u/iamsamwelll 18d ago
American funded insurgency? What could go wrong?
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u/Hiphiprodrigo 18d ago
I thought we learn history so we won't repeat it. America's logic on backing insurgencies panning out must be, "if you dry hump it long enough, it gets wet eventually."
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u/Master_N_Comm 18d ago
You don't know what this people suffered the first 2 years of their civil war against assad and finally they got justice. I remember back in 2012 all the towns al assad commanded to be obliterated, ghost towns that were against the dictator filled with rotting corpses of women and children, innocent people killed and thrown into the rivers, assad using chemical weapons against children, it was a complete genocide, I remember watching everything on liveleak for years and rebels couldn't do much against assad but now they got their country back.
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u/Hiphiprodrigo 18d ago
Im not, in any kind of way, saying that the people shouldn't be fighting for the rights and freedoms but what I mean is history has shown us that America interfering with other governments hasn't worked out too well.
"1954 Guatemalan coup d'Ć©tat" is a perfect example.
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u/skellis 18d ago
Iraq is currently a republic. Nicaragua is a republic, Chile is a republic. South Korea, Taiwan and Japan are all republics that owe their existance to US interferance. The US history interfering in other governments has varied outcomes.
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u/Hiphiprodrigo 18d ago edited 18d ago
Sort of side note but how the US government funded the battling in Nicaragua by selling drugs in inner cities.
But also two major conflicts the US has faced have been against people they've trained to fight off a common enemy.
They trained and provided weapons to Ho Chi Minh and Osama Bin Laden
Edit: I forgot to add weapons* to the sentence
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u/crod242 18d ago
how exactly did backing a dictator to overthrow a democratically elected leader improve things in Chile?
weird that you didn't include Libya or Afghanistan in your list of 'varied outcomes'
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u/skellis 18d ago
The assassination of Salvador Allende protected western hegemony over Chile. Salvador Allendeās government received financial and military support from the Soviet Union during his presidency. After the assassination the Pinochet government almost instantaneously began attacking Soviet citizens and pursuing an extremely anti-Soviet agenda. The Soviet Union responded strongly by offering aid to persecuted members and supporters of Allendeās previous administration and by denouncing the Chilean government as fascist. Iām not here to justify the means; the means are unjustifiable. The ends are that countries that fall under western hegemony tend to end up republics while countries that fall under eastern hegemony tend to wind up dictatorships or oligarchies. Chile is now the most prosperous country in South America.
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u/crod242 18d ago
Chile has been a republic for 200 years, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Are you suggesting that Pinochet's regime of torture and corruption made Chile successful? Poverty increased exponentially as did unemployment while public goods like healthcare and education were destroyed.
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u/iamsamwelll 18d ago
Not saying there is correct opinion here. But these rebels do not care about actual syrians. The US only cares about hegemony and whoever they can get to bend to their will.
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u/Master_N_Comm 18d ago
Of course, I know about the imperialist intentions of the US but that's the better of the two evils Syrians had.
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u/iamsamwelll 17d ago
My guess is the rebels will be double crossed and we will start to care about ISIS again. This is the red carpet being rolled out for Israel.
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u/brainomancer 18d ago
The "rebels" are literally al Qaeda-linked jihadists, and they are going to slaughter the Shi'ites, Christians, and Kurds while Assad hides in safety.
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u/CalRipkenForCommish 18d ago edited 18d ago
Do you mean, in your buddy tulsiās house?
Seriously, though, I agree, the rebels (backed by Turkey) are a nasty bunch. Worse than Assadās brutal dictatorship - backed by Russia? Thatās yet to be seen, maybe Turkey can have some influence, given that they supplied the rebels with so much shit. But blocking Russia from the coastline and access to the Mediterranean? Priceless. Although, Iām sure tulsi is upset, but sheāll do her best to help Trump and his boss get Assad the assistance he needs to stay alive. Iām sure she knows assadās family is safe and sound in Moscow.
Edit: LOL the response I got from the auto moderatorā¦priceless
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u/brainomancer 18d ago
Seriously, though, I agree, the rebels (backed by Turkey) are a nasty bunch.
No, for some reason you celebrate their atrocities against ethnic and religious minorities as a small victory against Russia.
Worse than Assadās brutal dictatorship - backed by Russia? Thatās yet to be seen
No it isn't. It's a well-established matter of fact that your beloved terrorists are committing atrocities against anyone who does not comply with Sharia law. Your buddy Erdogan doesn't give a shit about CIA/MI6 strategic goals, and after he betrays us, you will not take an ounce of responsibility for letting jihadists take over Syria for nothing. Young Americans will continue to fight and die over nothing while your old civilian ass sits back and reaps your retirement money off of their sacrifice.
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u/CalRipkenForCommish 18d ago
Iām not saying thereās any heroes here - the Middle East is rife with dictators, wannabe dictators, and outright masochists who want to subjugate people - particularly women. But make no mistake - Russian strategy has been to spread fear and violence in order to force refugees to flee to the safety of Europe. Iām not sure you even agree with this, because Putin can clearly do no wrong in your eyes.
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Tulsi Gabbard isnāt anti-war. Sheās a self-described hawk against terrorists. Her narrow objections center around efforts to spread democracy: āIn short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, Iām a hawk,ā Gabbard said. āWhen it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, Iām a dove.ā: https://www.votetulsi.com/node/27796
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u/Party-Childhood-6332 18d ago
Retake the Golan.
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u/deohvii 18d ago
A lot of Syrians just wanna rebuild and form a fair justice system. We meed to figure out our inner policies to avoid another civil war. The foreign policy can come after that, but i can tell you no one wants to go to war again. Not in the next 1000 years at the very least.
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u/Party-Childhood-6332 18d ago
and yet you stand with an ex al qaeda
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u/deohvii 18d ago
Nope i don't. The rebels are united factions of redundancy. If you think they're just the HTS you will be mistaken. I am for no Assad regime as a person who suffered from it first hand.
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u/Party-Childhood-6332 18d ago
so the Palestinians are fucked,
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u/deohvii 18d ago
Syrians were fucked. 300k+ dead and many more tortured since 2011 and that without counting the casualties since the 80s. So yeah sorry but we need to have our hands full now.
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u/Party-Childhood-6332 18d ago
siding with israel? ok
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u/deohvii 18d ago
Siding with Syrians. Ok
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u/Far_Pomelo6735 18d ago
The believers will be united on this, no matter what anyone says. Takbeer!! a free Syria a free Palestine a free Sudan and more!
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u/Anton_Pannekoek 18d ago
HTS said "we love Israel" and Israel is in fact invading Syrian territory east of the Golan right now.
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u/Comprehensive-Line62 18d ago
That's just dumb. Maybe in the future...
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u/Party-Childhood-6332 18d ago
you mean after they've claimed some more as "Israeli land"?
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u/Comprehensive-Line62 18d ago
Taking on Israel at this stage is suicidal. HTS attacking Israel will give westerns a good excuse to enter Syria. Do we really want that when the future of Syria is still uncertain and the road to total unification is still long.
Israel has a collar on the USA let's not forget.
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u/EatandDie001 18d ago
They didnāt learn anything from Iraq. Thereās no real freedom when the USA is involvedāSyria will soon become a full puppet state.
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u/brainomancer 18d ago
The people in the U.S. who feel good about this probably would have felt the same way about the U.S. invading Iraq and toppling Saddam Hussein's government. They will absolutely not hold themselves accountable after the newly-empowered Sunni jihadists get away with slaughtering Syria's ethnic and religious minorities.
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u/Unusual_Leader_982 18d ago
If I was an unpopular authocratic leader of a middle eastern country, I would simply have myself built a very, very heavy statue.
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