r/worldnewsvideo • u/[deleted] • Nov 04 '24
Joh Oliver with a heartfelt appeal to reluctant voters for Harris
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u/vasquca1 Nov 04 '24
I think their are some questionable characters which are basically taking advantage of peoples rightful emotional state, pretending that this issue is consequential in their decision for President, trying to divide the Left coalition to benefit the GOP/TRUMP. Really take that into consideration when the big day comes. Especially if this issue is going to keep you from voting.
Remember America's history has been turbulent if you go back to its history. First off this was a nation that allowed slavery and benefitted significantly from that terrible institution. Second this nation has played a part in terrible interference campaigns in other countries during the cold war to prevent countries from moving towards socialism and communism when it suited our interest. Shit we dropped atomic bomb on Japan. These are the sins of our fathers/mothers.
There have been some monumental achievements from these terrible days brought by protestors such as the civil rights, antiwar, anti-hate groups of our time. WE HAVE to keep that momentum moving forward. Vote is what I ask. For the record, I am naturalized citizen from Latin America.
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u/do-u-want-some-more Nov 05 '24
Plus, it’s crucial to vote in state and local elections on the ballot. Referendum / ballot questions are also are also on the ballot. Elections happen every year sometimes more than once depending on the municipality.
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u/Junior-Profession726 Nov 04 '24
I love Jon Oliver
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u/CaptainONaps Nov 05 '24
Interesting. I wish I liked him. I loved Jon Stewart. But even he has gone down hill since he went off air. Last I saw him he was at some big event doing the show live. Way less news, facts, and jokes, way more silly reactions.
For me Oliver is just silly. There’s no real jokes. His jokes are like lines from the beastie boys. It’s always a metaphor. ‘Ruth bader Ginsberg is like an old wagon full of strawberries, who wants strawberries to arrive a week later in a rickety cart? Am I right?!”
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u/pealsmom Nov 04 '24
I am going to respect the Muslim lawmaker who deeply understands that the only argument that makes sense is to vote for the candidate, Harris, who is most likely to be moved in the right direction. I believe that Harris is saying what she has to say to get elected - which is the really unfortunate part. For the last 76 years, presidents and candidates for president have had to de facto support Israel in order to win. This election is no different, but I can see a very near future where it is different and we could have some nuance in the conversation.
I also don’t appreciate how this woman is somehow being blamed for a decision that her male boss has made and continues to make. She is part of his administration and has to outwardly support his administrations policies, but she was not on the tarmac hugging Bibi. That was Joe.
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u/TrippleTonyHawk Nov 04 '24
I'm voting Harris but I'm under no preconception that she'll be any less genocidal than Biden. Trump just poses a bigger threat, he plans to allow Israel to anex Gaza and the West Bank, plans to further undermine civil rights for protest and free speech and even use the national guard to go after them, cut funding for public services, engage in mass abuses to deport immigrants, and deregulate various services that keep us safe in return for tax cuts for rich people and further arming our police... and a ton of other awful shit that Harris may not be great on but he is certainly worse on.
If the democrats continue to steer things to the right, it's gonna leave them vulnerable to primaries, and that's the only strategy we really have to improve things. We organize against them, and if they don't bend to our will, hopefully we can draw up enough support for someone else that will.
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u/gotridofsubs Nov 04 '24
If the democrats continue to steer things to the right, it's gonna leave them vulnerable to primaries, and that's the only strategy we really have to improve things.
Thia implies that there are more voters to be gained opposing that strategy rather than following it, which remains to be seen especially in swing seats
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u/TrippleTonyHawk Nov 05 '24
It depends on the district, and how you run against them. Generally progressive candidates do better in more blue areas, wouldn't deny that. But nationally some of the most favorably viewed politicians are progressives, they appeal to some places that centrist liberals simply can't.
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u/gotridofsubs Nov 05 '24
Thats really cool, have progressive candidates won elections nationally?
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u/TrippleTonyHawk Nov 05 '24
Not really here in the US, still trying.
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u/gotridofsubs Nov 05 '24
So primaries from the left arent really a viable strategy to win then
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u/TrippleTonyHawk Nov 05 '24
You're silly
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u/gotridofsubs Nov 05 '24
Not a response
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u/TrippleTonyHawk Nov 05 '24
As they say, "if at first you don't succeed, try, try and try again."
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u/AnOnlineHandle Nov 05 '24
I'm under no preconception that she'll be any less genocidal than Biden.
Do you think it's odd that Biden and her so heavily get blamed for Israel's actions? America isn't at war in Palestine, and the only soldiers they've sent there have been to deliver aid while trying to tell their ally (reportedly Israel's Trump) to calm the ef down.
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u/No-Crow-7557 Nov 04 '24
My thought it that the war in Gaza is something a president has say in. Other issues like abortion rights and agency court decisions will most likely not be up to the presidents sole discretion
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u/freed0m_from_th0ught Nov 04 '24
With very likely two Supreme Court seats up for grabs, those issues are a lot closer to the presidents power than we might think.
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u/pealsmom Nov 04 '24
Yes. The president has a lot of sole discretion over foreign policy but has to work with Congress when it comes to a domestic agenda.
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u/ZenoArrow Nov 04 '24
Republicans say "finish the job" in public, Democrats say "finish the job" in private. The best argument given in this video was about the Supreme Court judges, most of the rest of the arguments were more about the appearance of decency than the application.
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u/SnowyG Nov 04 '24
Get on the bus that is going in the right direction, even if it’s not going to your exact stop. It’s better to be closer to where you want to be as a country!
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u/aymanzone Nov 04 '24
I draw the line at genocide
It is a low moral bar
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u/PerpetualUselessness Nov 05 '24
Thank you. Imo if that isn't the line for you, then you don't have a line and the argument of "the lesser evil" literally doesn't have a limit. Each party can become more and more extreme with there always being a lesser evil between them based solely on civil/social issues. That actually works in both political parties/perspectives which is why I believe the two party system only benefits the status quo. we deserve better
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u/freed0m_from_th0ught Nov 04 '24
As the piece points out and I heartily agree with Ruwa Romman “my vote is a promise - a promise that I and those who stand with me will not stop demanding the end to mass slaughter and violence everywhere.”
I am not Palestinian nor have family who are, but I do have family who are Hispanic and are threaten with being stripped from their families and deported. I have so much love and respect for those who help protect my family, even while recognizing that the administration they are voting for is not protecting theirs. Only one of these parties has a chance of being pressured into doing the right thing. I can’t give up on my family and I won’t give up on justice for all oppressed people. This is not the end, it is just the beginning. That is the promise.
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u/pgtaylor777 Nov 04 '24
Same. Cant vote for the regime that’s profiting off of killing babies. Cant co-sign that policy.
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u/Albolynx Nov 04 '24
Inaction doesn't mean you somehow absolve yourself of the responsibility for the result. You are merely saying that you defer to others to make decisions for you.
And even if you believe you wash your hands clean by not voting... I swear if you pay taxes (which then go to fund this genocide) while talking this kind of big noble game, that's just incredible hypocrisy. Because if you evade taxes, at the very least you actually commit to your ideals.
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u/pgtaylor777 Nov 04 '24
I’m voting tomorrow
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u/Albolynx Nov 04 '24
Then either than conflicts with what you commented before, or you have fundamental misunderstandings about some part of the political process.
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u/pgtaylor777 Nov 04 '24
No. There’s an administration that’s selling bombs used to kill babies. I’m not voting for them. I have a vote, so that’s what I’m using my vote for. Not co-signing that choice by the current administration
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u/Albolynx Nov 04 '24
Again, it doesnt add up.
Voting for a 3rd party candidate in a voting system like the US currently has either does nothing or often even is counterproductive so that is filed under inaction.
If you have problems with "an administration" then both candidates have been either president or vice-president respectively and provided support to Israel. And considering Trump is known to encourage escalating the genocide, it would be highly counterproductive to vote for him if that's your single-issue.
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u/Oppopity Nov 05 '24
If Harris wants to win she can appeal to people that don't like genocide by being against genocide. But she won't because killing babies is a bigger priority for her than preventing a Trump presidency.
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u/pgtaylor777 Nov 04 '24
The current administration are the ones responsible for the genocide in Israel. Not Trump. Not JS. Not RFKjr. No one else. So I won’t be voting for an administration that helped murder children. You do what you want to with your vote.
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u/ArchdukeFerdie Nov 05 '24
I mean at least you're voting, but it's laughable that you think Trump will make things better for the Palestinian people. He has outright stated that he would do the opposite.
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u/TrippleTonyHawk Nov 04 '24
One of them will become president, despite whether you are a moral person or not. I voted Stein in 2016, and all that happened was we got blamed for Hillary's loss and dems got scared and didn't feel like taking a risk on Bernie the second time around. She was as brutal of a warmonger as anyone in the Biden administration, and after she lost we still got the genocide we have today.
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u/HAHA_goats Nov 05 '24
I voted Stein in 2016, and all that happened was we got blamed for Hillary's loss and dems got scared and didn't feel like taking a risk on Bernie the second time around.
Voting for Stein had nothing to do with that. Hillary dropped the ball and the party was thrashing around for a scapegoat. Before they blamed Stein, they blamed Bernie (who had campaigned for Clinton harder than Clinton campaigned for Clinton), "Bernie Bros" (who voted for Clinton at rates higher than Clinton's own voters had voted for Obama), Comey, Russia, the news, twitter, millennials, and a hundred other motherfuckers. But somehow never once did the dems blame the one person at the top of that shitshow of a campaign.
And dems didn't get scared in 2020; the party stuffed the primary with lackeys, completely fucked up the counts in New Hampshire and Iowa (where Bernie was winning and could have gotten early momentum), and coordinated a group dropout and endorsement. After that, the news carried the narrative that Biden was inevitable ("joementum") even though Biden himself was telling his own supporters that they should vote for Trump because he was already fucking senile back then. There was not some kind of organic backlash against Bernie. The DNC just wanted to force Joe and put on a pageant instead of a primary.
In fact, in the last stretch of the 20202 campaign, the Biden folks were explicitly arguing more or less, "Yeah, we know he sucks, but he's not Trump." They were admitting that he's shit and trying to message directly to the people who had wanted Bernie.
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u/bastardsgotgoodones Nov 05 '24 edited Nov 05 '24
It's fabulous to see Americans who are madly proud of their democracy spending a whole fucking year judging the same judgment to conclude the best they can do is to pick a genocide enabler over a pure evil! God bless America.
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u/RepresentativeHat975 Nov 04 '24
Lol Arabs Voting for Trump is like chickens for KFC... as he said he will finish the JOB...
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u/tinkthank Nov 05 '24
I’m not sure about Arabs but less than 10% of Muslim Americans will be voting for Donald Trump according the latest polling.
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u/isawasin Nov 04 '24
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u/Environmental_Mix344 Nov 04 '24
So is the hope then that Trump loses, but that the Harris administration pays attention to these critical voices/how close the vote is, and shifts their policy?
Or is the hope that Harris - as a part of this dismal administration - loses as punishment and Trump wins?
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u/YasserPunch Nov 04 '24
I agree with John Oliver but I still see the other side of this argument. I hope Kamala loses or at least gets close to losing.
Politics is transactional but change takes a while. The dems are wiping their ass with the Muslim Arab constituency making them feel like they’re not American or even human. Bill Clinton admonishing voters saying shit that Judaism preceded Islam as if that’s the problem. The DNC denying Palestinian American leaders from speaking. Kamala snubbing pro Palestinian activists in Michigan and fumbling to answer Israel questions on live tv ffs. Refusing to have clear messaging on Gaza or even applying moderate sanctions to Israel. Liberal news orgs favoring the pro Israel narrative despite the level of atrocities. All this is very clear messaging that dems don’t even care about the optics.
There are good actors within these liberal organizations I get that. But those are the ones that need to fight for us if Kamala loses, they need to send a signal to the party that you cannot take this voting block for granted and that no amount of AIPAC money or alignment with Israel is enough to win any election. Even if we have 12 more years of republicans, whatever it takes for them to understand. And if they turn on us and try to kill or deport Arab and Muslim Americans in the US then do be it.
Things may still get worse before they get better. We, as Arabs, need to organize better and threaten those in leadership that our votes will swing elections, we can’t keep settling for marginal good and empty words in the short term we need real change and political power in the long term. If our leaders in the Arab world cannot or would not do it then we should do it in diaspora.
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u/skyeliam Nov 04 '24
My first Presidential election was 2016 in Michigan.
I thought that if I withheld my vote from Hillary, it would be some kind of statement and force the party to move more to the left, even if it meant four years of Trump.
Instead I watched as Trump made the situation in Palestine worse (moving embassy, empowering Netanyahu), watched the SCOTUS overturn decades worth of precedence for a woman’s right to chose, watched as MAGA idiots stormed the Capitol, and now there’s still no M4A, no free college, no minimum wage increases.
The winning candidate gets the mandate. The winning candidate gets to center the political climate. The winning candidate gets to determine the new normal. Trump was able to sow so much chaos that any chance of progress after his term ended pretty much stood at zero, because we are so focused on trying to restore things to how they were 10 years ago.
A Trump victory tomorrow would move the Overton Window further to the right. Instead of debating what terms of a ceasefire we can negotiate, we will be debating how much Palestinian land Israel can annex. How many bombs Israel can drop in Tehran. After four more years of Trump, if there’s even any Palestine left, the status quo Democrats will be trying to save will be much, much further to the right than it is now.
A Kamala victory tomorrow would keep the pressure on for change. It would keep the Overton Window where it is, and allow us to keep moving it left.
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u/Sovos North America 🌎 Nov 04 '24
Even if we have 12 more years of republicans, whatever it takes for them to understand. And if they turn on us and try to kill or deport Arab and Muslim Americans in the US then do be it.
How will Democrats receive any signal from Muslim Americans if Trump deports them?
Trump has expressed a desire to arrest/deport anyone who even protests for Gaza and told Israel to "hurry up and finish the job" regarding the current genocide.
Hoping Harris loses based on current policies is like asking the doctor to shoot you in the face because you don't like how poorly they're treating a current disease.
We, as Arabs, need to organize better and threaten those in leadership that our votes will swing elections, we can’t keep settling for marginal good and empty words in the short term we need real change and political power in the long term.
I do agree that planned organization to advocate for your views and values is critical. Unfortunately in the US, the best way to achieve lasting change is to pick a party and start working your way into it from the bottom up to get your values into its platform. Sadly, that takes a long time.
If you only use the general election as leverage, the most common outcome is a candidate will pay lip service before the election, then zero action afterward.
As an example - look at how Bernie Sanders (an Independent) has been able to push the Democratic party in a more progressive direction since 2016. Rather than fighting them from the outside and threatening to switch parties, he guided his grassroots movement to embrace the DNC and push them to be more progressive.
Even then, in 8 years since, the progress is slow, but there are more politicians talking about raising the minimum wage, taxing billionaires, and lowering costs of living. Those were considered more fringe a decade ago 8 years ago.
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u/Trick-Teach6867 Nov 04 '24
There’s millions of legal Muslim Americans… who have been here for generations. Just factually you should not lump Muslim immigrants with residency in with 10’s of millions Muslims citizens who cannot be deported by trump or whoever, born citizens
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u/Geichalt Nov 04 '24
cannot be deported by trump
Says who? SCOTUS?
If you think Trump and his cronies will give a shit about actual immigration law, then you're drastically underestimating how dangerous they are. Which would explain your thinking on this situation quite well.
I don't think you understand just how much is at risk here, and if genocide your concern then you need to start paying attention to how easily one could happen in America.
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u/Trick-Teach6867 Nov 05 '24
Not voting for Trump but his anti Arab immigration bill did not affect American citizens.
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u/Sovos North America 🌎 Nov 04 '24
True, the millions of citizens can feel safer than those here on visas or here illegally, but this man and those working with him are racists with malice in their hearts. I'm of a demographic in the US that would have the least to fear personally from a Trump presidency, but the way he talks about minorities and immigrants is disgusting, and I don't think anyone should feel complacent.
Here are a few quotes from him directly.
“They’re poisoning the blood of our country. That’s what they’ve done. They poison — mental institutions and prisons all over the world. Not just in South America. Not just the three or four countries that we think about. But all over the world they’re coming into our country — from Africa, from Asia, all over the world. They’re pouring into our country.” — Dec. 16, 2023, New Hampshire rally
“They’re rough people, in many cases from jails, prisons, from mental institutions, insane asylums. You know, insane asylums — that’s ‘Silence of the Lambs’ stuff.” — March 4, 2024, interview with Right Side Broadcasting Network
“The Democrats say, ‘Please don’t call them animals. They’re humans.’ I said, ‘No, they’re not humans, they’re not humans, they’re animals’ … Nancy Pelosi told me that. She said, ‘Please don’t use the word animals when you’re talking about these people.’ I said, ‘I’ll use the word animal because that’s what they are.’” — April 2, 2024, Grand Rapids, Michigan, campaign event.
He has also more than one referenced calling on the Alien Enemies Act of 1789 to imprison those he considers an enemy of the US. This is the same act that was used to imprison Japanese Americans (including US citizens) in internment camps after Pearl Harbor and throughout World War 2.
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u/ComonomoC Nov 04 '24
This sub is anti American cancer
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u/MathewMurdock2 Nov 05 '24
Sorry snowflake
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u/ComonomoC Nov 05 '24
Dude, your comment/post history is a cry for help.
If you need help, reach out.
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u/TinyNeff Nov 04 '24
Yeah I doubt I vote for someone who was putting people in jail for weed shit. Yeah I get to vote but look at my two choices lol One has people wearing trash bags and the other putting on a fake vibe
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u/MyCrowdSizeIsBigger Nov 04 '24
Looks like you didn’t even have all the facts to begin with, son
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u/TinyNeff Nov 04 '24
Yeah bro 0 facts . Not even paying attention to anything besides the fake news apparently lol No one likes my Hot Take
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u/ExpiredPilot Nov 04 '24
Of the over 1000+ marijuana cases that were tried under Harris, less than 20 faced jail time.
Smokers for Harris. Because even if Harris wanted to criminalize weed nationally (despite stating she’s pro-legalization), she’s still better than Trump
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u/TinyNeff Nov 04 '24
Looks like I did my job and made people mad on a Monday. Lol Feelings are hurt
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u/AnOnlineHandle Nov 05 '24
Man if he wanted to make a deeply convincing argument he should have just opened with clips of what Trump has said on the matter.
Show, don't tell.
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u/Excellent-Shock7792 Nov 04 '24
Do you remember?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
People want trump to take care of AIPAC democrats and the complicit press… then people will focus only on one traitor
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u/MarkusRight Nov 04 '24
off-topic but I am mad that the new Last Week Tonight episodes are exclusive for a full week on Max, This message needs to get across now, not a week later when it eventually goes up on Youtube for free.
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