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u/SuperSuperGloo 17h ago
I like Joel a lot. Every win he has is by way of finish. And he is native from spain
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u/MiedoDeEncontrarme 16h ago
He is the reason Arman is my favorite lightweight
I became a huge Arman fan after their fight
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u/Livid_Summer_6935 16h ago
Chandler is ranked like #7. No one can explain why that is. Hes only beat Hooker & Ferguson.
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u/Augustus_Chevismo 13h ago
So they can justify ranking Conor highly if he beats Chandler. They did the same with Cowboy.
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u/Top-boy-og 13h ago
That Hooker win is really good though, Hooker was just coming off a war with DP and Chandler easily put him away in 2 mins. And Hooker is still a killer even today coming off very impressive underdog wins against Turner and Gamrot
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u/jfsoaig345 11h ago
I can kind of see it. His UFC record isn't great but he has only lost to championship level guys and the losses, aside from the Charles rematch, were all extremely competitive. How you lose fights is important to consider. There's a reason why TKZ's ranking went up after getting KO'd by Yair - he lost but the fight itself showed that he was an elite guy deserving of a top 5 guy next.
The idea behind Chandler's #7 ranking is that there's a good argument for him beating fringe top 10 guys like Gamrot or Dariush. He's overranked imo but it's not crazy that he's ranked in general - taking someone off the rankings completely when they've only lost to #1, #2, and #3 of the division doesn't really makes sense to me.
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u/RadleyRadiation 17h ago
If it’s absolutely going to happen, Paddy The Baddy will make it where Chandler is unranked and possibly even cut.
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u/DannyStress 17h ago
Chandler is too much of a company man, and a draw. He won’t get cut for helping boost another star in paddy.
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u/YoWhoDidThat 17h ago
I hope Paddy beats him bad lol. Can't justify that ranking anymore after that.
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u/il_VORTEX_ll 17h ago
The dream. I’m betting on Paddy!
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u/RadleyRadiation 17h ago
Been a fan since the Cage Warriors days and will always be a fan of him. Paddy’s made me a lot of money too. Always been a good bet
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 17h ago
Patty has fought to no one. Chandler has been in with the best of the best. Plus the Fatties' British...
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u/cynicown101 14h ago
Generally, that’s how it works. Fighters work their way up fighting smaller names until they get big ones. Paddy, like him or not, is on the come up. Chandler is realistically way past his athletic prime, and doesn’t really belong in the top 15 given his record in the UFC. It’s decent match up.
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 13h ago
How would you know he's on the come up. You can maybe give him that after this fight. He's only lost to people who are higher than them so who should be above them? It's a good matchup for Paddy but pretty much anyone in the top 15 is a good matchup for him.
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u/cynicown101 13h ago
Give him what fight after this fight? Chandler only has 2 wins in the UFC. One against Hooker and one against the exact same guy Paddy also beat, and he spent the first round getting pieced up. Chandler doesn’t deserve another ranked opponent. I genuinely like Chandler. Always brings it, and has fought high level competition for the longest time, but Paddy just beat Bobby Green in impressive fashion and Chandler just lost again, and he looked like shit doing it.
Even just from a business perspective, what winnable fight is there for Chandler in the top 15 that will have as many eyes on it? Connor is never coming back. Gaetjhe beat him. Dustin beat him. Chandler needs a decent sized popular name and Paddy fits that. I’d personally like to see Hooker again and he’s ranked above Chandler, but he’s just not as big of a draw. If I was Michael Chandler, I’d want Paddy. It’s winnable for him and it’ll draw a lot of eyes. It seems perfect for both of them. Winnable for Chandler and chance to show he can still mix it up with young contenders, and for Paddy, a chance to break in to the top 10.
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 13h ago
You said he's on the upswing and I'm telling you he hasn't fought anyone so how would you know he's taking a step? If he beat someone higher rank than him then sure you could say he's on the upswing. Not going to use the ghost of T Ferguson to measure anyone. Bobby Green is not even ranked in the top 15. Who cares? People like Chandler's fighting style and love the fact that he throws any concept to fight IQ out the window. I have no issue with them making the fight. I'm just saying it does nothing for Chandler. It would be more impressive to beat Hooker again. People already know Chandler and he's not getting any pay-per-view points so the opponent doesn't really matter as much of the ranking.
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u/cynicown101 12h ago
6 fight win streak, undefeated in the UFC, ranked 13 and one of the more popular names in the organisation. Upswing. It’s really that simple. Clearly, the UFC are making it worth Chandlers while or he wouldn’t take the fight. I think Hooker makes the most sense story wise but he’s ranked higher and Chandler gets him no close to the title, or maybe Saint Denis, but he’s already matched with Monicano. I think Fiziev would absolutely smash chandler but that would be an entertaining fight. He could maybe fight Dariush but it wouldn’t really do anything for him. I’m not really sure what options he really has that are exciting for the fans, which is what Chandler needs. Who would you have him fight?
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 12h ago
This is solely about popularity and the fact that he's British. Not a single impressive win in that win streak and one of those ones was Jared Gordon.Was that fight indicative of his level? It is an upswing from outside of the rankings, whatever that's worth to his fanbase. Top of the rankings are the only part that's really meaningful anyways. I think everyone you mentioned smashes Paddy. Was that fight indicative of his level because I watched it. I don't disagree with them making the matchup, I'm just saying only one side stands to benefit.
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u/RadleyRadiation 16h ago
Explain how he’s been in with the best of the best during their best? Dan Hooker, who has been progressing but that was over 3 years ago, and a washed up Tony Ferguson, and has lost to everyone else, in fights he was dominated. Fighting Paddy will be a closer competition fight for him, but still believe Paddy will finish him. He has always been highly overrated. And this isn’t about country or anything else, but from a clear standpoint of sport and athletics. Beating Chandler would move Paddy up, that’s part of moving up the resume. Chandler is losing. Paddy is coming up, Chandler has declined since joining the UFC. I think Chandler against King Green would be more Chandler’s speed, and he still only has a 50/50 chance there.
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 13h ago
Poirier, Charles, Gaethe aren't the best of the best? He has felt WAY better competition than Paddy has so you can believe whatever you like. This this would be Paddy's best win to date, right? You would try to diminish Chandler and then take credit for a W that won't happen. The win does nothing for Chandler because it just proves that Paddy is another overhyped loud-mouthed mid fighter. This is about country because Dana wants stars from the UK.
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u/RadleyRadiation 13h ago
And Chandler isn’t over hyped? And of course Dana wants stars, whenever they come from. And those 3 are all good, but he lost by getting finished in those fights, because he’s over hyped. Paddy finished Bobby Green, who I don’t think is any tougher or weaker of a fight for him than Chandler. That’s why everyone thinks Chandler is clearly over rated. Paddy gets the win, it’ll seal the deal on that. If he doesn’t, than Chandler wins, and fights another go with Justin to prove he can hang and move up. He’s over rated though. The Oliveira fight also showed how he fought dirty and was a scumbag even more than anything and he still was finished.
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 13h ago
Everyone thinks Paddy's overrated except for some British people. Chandler had a belt in a promotion that contained more talent. He's beating better fighters including ones that have held UFC belts. We call that resume not hype. Bobby Green is not even ranked in the top 15. A Chandler win will do wonders for Paddy's weak resume. When Chandler wins it does nothing for him. I didn't say that he was champion level, but Patty is not even close to that and would get tooled by anyone in the top five. Did you watch the Jared Gordon fight?
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u/RadleyRadiation 12h ago
Chandlers resume from Bellator really isn’t that impressive, and Paddy held a belt in CW as well as having fought in multiple weight classes. A win for Chandler would be everything for him right now. And Green is no longer ranked due to Paddy. Same should happen when Paddy wins, Chandler lose his ranking or be at the bottom of the top 15. Then he can fight Green and see how more close of a matchup that can be. Chandler is NOWHERE close to championship material, and he never will be in the UFC. He will NEVER have the belt. And let’s be real, anyone outside of Dagestan won’t have the belt in a couple divisions for the next couple years.
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 12h ago
More impressive than any win Paddy has had. What does Patty have on his resume that equals anyone that has come close to a UFC belt. He literally beat two UFC champions. Patty got bodied by Jared Gordon. Beating someone beneath you does nothing for you. It's going to hold his spot in the rankings? Are you new here? The argument is not where Chandler is compared to the top of the division. He's had that shot and anyone can see where he stands. We're talking about where he is compared to Paddy. I think Pakistan has a strangle hold on 155 but I'm not so sure about couple divisions
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u/Far-9947 16h ago
The Conor Stimmy. You don't even have to fight him, so long as your name is in the conversation with his, you will be overrated.
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u/Responsible_Camp_312 15h ago
Yes, he’s #6 in the world.
If DC fought Jones, Cain, Stipe, Fedor, Derrick Lewis,
He MIGHT end up being 1-4. Does that mean DC isn’t a top 5 HW?
Not a SINGLE person Chandler fought downplays his ranking. Only the ones who never fought him so that. Everyone that’s fought him says he’s top 5.
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u/GreatGoodBad 17h ago
Chandler probably doesn’t deserve his ranking atm, but if he gets passed Paddy then he deserves to stay in the top 10
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u/shotokan1988 15h ago
Not to mention he's a dirty cheater. I'm glad Poirer called him out on that shit. Oh, and knocked him out 😁
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u/1998ChevyTaHoe 12h ago
Chandler is 2-4 because he keeps fighting the hardest guys in the division lmao. he only beat Hooker and Ferguson. He's lost 2x to Oliveira, 1x to Poirier, and 1x to Gaethje,
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u/AutomaticMonkeyHat 15h ago
Yeah he’s probably right. But I’m tuning in to see Chandler do some crazy shit. I don’t think anyone tunes in to see Grant fucking Dawson lmaoo
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u/Thin-Remote-9817 16h ago
Ufc fans once upon a time "These rankings are a joke don't take em serious Dana makes them. who cares."
Ufc fans when rankings drop...WHAT THE FUCK!!!! HOW?WHY? IM UPSET!!! Explain to me reddit why!!!!(cause that's who knows reddit).
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u/Worldly_Client_7614 15h ago
Dude chatting alot when he got smoked by bobby green and should have lost to a washed 38 year old ricky glen.
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u/Suspicious_Candle27 Based Potato 14h ago edited 14h ago
something everyone forget about the hooker fight too is it was literally right off a brutal war with Dustin .
the UFC knew what they were doing with this match up to get chandler a highlight reel , since its well documented fighters can get a bit gunshy after taking so much damage in a fight .
the more i watch the sport the more the match making legit borderline rigged and i hate it
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u/Squidwardbigboss 14h ago
There’s a difference between “he needs to defend his spot” and he shouldn’t be ranked.
You guys are going a little way too far with this sentiment, he has losses to 3 people above him and a first round KO win over the number 6.
He obviously needs to defend his position but it’s not like he doesn’t belong there.
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 14h ago
He’s right, chandler has done nothing to remain ranked after all this time.
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u/garciareddit1996 11h ago
The Dan Hooker win was right after Dans war with Poirier and in interviews where Hooker reflected on the fight he said he wished he took more time off in between those two. I always figured Chandler was top 10 skill for skill, and I still believe hes shown that, but after this long I think Grant is right here.
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u/BestServerNA 3m ago
Also, Cuckington is still ranked on the Welterweight rankings lol what sense does that make?
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u/Spoon6969 17h ago
This dude got smoked by Bobby green in like 10 seconds he doesn’t really have the room to talk
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u/ablu3 17h ago
He's 10-1 in the ufc and if he wins his next fight he's ranked
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u/Spoon6969 17h ago
Dawson would get smoked by hooker
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u/ablu3 17h ago
If he can't get it to the ground then 100 percent, but he's one of the best wrestlers at 155 and he has a good finishing threat
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 17h ago
Who's one of the best wrestlers at 155?
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u/ablu3 17h ago
Dawson
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u/Ok_Sugar4554 13h ago
You know you have Armen, Islam, Chandler, Gaethe, and Gamrot in that division?
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u/Dabox720 16h ago
True but you also dont deserve to be top 15 Grant lol
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u/Dry_Sky_8695 17h ago
It’s because they want to keep giving chandler big fights because they’re all entertaining and make money. If he wasn’t ranked they couldn’t justify giving him these fights