r/soccer • u/MERTENS_GOAT • 23h ago
Stats [OptaJoe] 5 - Manchester United are the first side in the Premier League era to lose five matches in all competitions in consecutive Decembers, losing five games in both December 2023 and December 2024. Humbug.
https://x.com/OptaJoe/status/1872599324871598500610
u/SilentBunnyy 23h ago edited 23h ago
They definitely need to sack another cleaner lady to solve the issue
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u/FryChy 19h ago
Even though cleaner lady probably performs better than half of their players.
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u/fifes2013 15h ago
Listen, Doris is elite with the mop but her vacuuming needs work and they can't afford to give her time in the middle to learn the trade
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u/giveupandsettle 23h ago
Manchester United all or nothing will be interesting. They need to make it happen
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u/Ainsley-Sorsby 22h ago
I mean, can't really make an "all or nothing" out of just...nothing, you need the "all" part to be in play still...
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u/miregalpanic 23h ago
I doubt they would show the extent of the shitshow behind the scenes even to some degree
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u/PerkeoJester 23h ago
best Arctic Monkeys album dont @ me
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u/Far_Eye6555 21h ago
Humbug, Favourite Worst Nightmare, and probably Suck It and See are my top 3. So hard to choose though
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u/999999994563 20h ago
Any thing other than whatever people say I am thats what I’m not is fighting for second place.
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u/night_dude 8h ago
Suck It And See dreampop supremacy.
But let's be honest, the first 4 albums are all masterpieces.
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u/MERTENS_GOAT 23h ago edited 19h ago
3 – Bruno Fernandes is the first Manchester United player to be sent off three times in a season in all competitions since Nemanja Vidic in 2008-09 (also 3). Mist.
11 - Mohamed Salah has been involved in 11 Premier League goals in December 2024 (6 goals, 5 assists) - only Luis Suárez in December 2013 has ever had more goal involvements in one month in Premier League history (10 goals, 4 assists). Phenomenons.
27 - Mohamed Salah has been involved in 27 Premier League goals this season (16 goals, 11 assists), the most ever by a player from the start of a season until the end of December in Premier League history. King.
17 & 7 - As well as being the Premier League's top scorer this December with seven goals, Alexander Isak has also created the most chances of any player this month (17). Generous.
82 - Chelsea have lost a Premier League game they were leading as late as the 82nd minute for the first time since October 1999, when they were ahead until the 83rd minute against Arsenal but lost 3-2 with Kanu scoring a hat-trick. Memories.
9 - Collectively, the two Manchester clubs have lost nine matches in all competitions in December (United 5, City 4), the most in a single month since April 1971 (also 9). Rain.
22 - Matheus Cunha has had a hand in 22 Premier League goals in 2024 (16 goals, 6 assists) - the only Brazilian with more goals and assists in a single year is Philippe Coutinho in 2017 (15 goals, 8 assists). Samba.
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u/lrexx_ 23h ago edited 19h ago
Opta doesn’t even know that the plural of “phenomenon” is “phenomena”. Shocking.
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u/Long-Island-Iced-Tea 20h ago
That Chelsea match must have been interesting in 1999
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u/Tootsiesclaw 15h ago
Honestly from the highlights it wasn't a great quality game - most of the goals and chances seemed to come from the two defences making complete cock-ups rather than either side's attack being lethal
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u/crookedparadigm 19h ago
Good guy OP puts the extra stats in the comments instead of karma farming with a thread for each.
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u/pure_black99 23h ago
The thing about Amorim is, when Ten Hag first came to the club he tried to implement his Ajax system but got clobbered by Brighton 2-1 and Brentford 4-0, realized that god has forsaken these players and went back to Ole ball to get results
Amorim is trying to implement his system no matter the results. Fortunately Man United fans don't have the patience to wait 2-3 transfer windows to see the result and he might get axed
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u/Industry-Standard- 23h ago
But that didn’t exactly work out for ETH. I’d rather he actually tried to implement his Ajax style because he had 3 years to do it and just didn’t, multiple windows with some weird signings and no end goal.
As a fan I will happily sacrifice short term success for long term gain, United tend to at least give managers 2-3 years these days.
The problem with a lot of previous manager managers is they tend to slowly get worse over time, where as with Amorim I’m hoping it will slowly get better.
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u/pure_black99 23h ago
I think Ten Hag is a good coach. He would succeed at a club with less shambles than United. It remains to be seen how Amorim will do but it appears he has written this season off entirely
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u/Industry-Standard- 23h ago
For sure, I think EtH would still be regarded as one of the best had he went to another team, like a Bayern Munich etc.
I was disappointed when United hired a coach off based of success at Ajax and then 3 seasons later and the football still looked nothing like the one shown at Ajax. I know EtH improved Ajax and they hadn’t won the league in a few years, but I really think he underestimated the job and how far United are away from City, Liverpool etc and he lacked the charisma to really get people onboard with a rebuild.
Amorim seems to have a better idea of how big this job is and I’m happy he isn’t being extremely pragmatic and just trying to get results.
I felt like LvG changed his approach when United lost 5-3 to Leicester and became more pragmatic, ETH as you mentioned immediately seemed to switch his style of play. But then the team just lacks identify and relies on individuals to win games and eventually the morale goes completely and then the manager is sacked. Each game feels like the manager is just focused on a result to avoid being sacked rather than building something
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u/Sjaak_Bakplaat 23h ago
Should be noted that Ajax already had a very good squad when EtH came in, they were in the EL final the season before. That isn’t to say he didn’t improve the team cause he definitely did. There’s no way Bosz or Keizer could’ve taken that team to the semifinals of the CL.
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u/NoCowLevels 15h ago
I have no doubt ETH is a capable manager in many aspects, but recruitment under him was absolutely horrific and the primary reason he's gone in my opinion. I cant gauge exactly how much of the fault lies in Ten Hag as opposed to the underlying structures of the club responsible for scouting and recruiting players. Given all of the former Ajax players signed under ETH's tenure its reasonable to assume he had a heavy hand in the process.
If your players are subpar relative to your ambitions, you need a system where the result is greater than the sum of its parts, and ETH never seemed capable of achieving this
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u/plowman_digearth 23h ago
It's only about 10 games in but at some stage Amorim is going to have to start adapting to the players he has. 1 win in 7 League games is a poor start no matter which club you take over in what capacity.
I think the bigger issue is that he's been sort of set up to fail because of the vast gap in his desired playing style and squad characteristics. With Ashworth sacked it's going to go back to the Ten Hag era with Amorim only signing players he has faith in.
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u/ForcadoUALG 19h ago
He will ride his system until he dies. Same thing happened in Sporting when results didn't show up, he kept the same system for almost 5 years, no plan B, no adjustments, nothing.
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u/Industry-Standard- 23h ago
I’m hoping for a few January signings that fit the system, but I’d really rather he doesn’t adapt. Play the system you know and replace who doesn’t fit.
I don’t think Amorim will ever have as much input as ETH, even without Ashworth they still have Jason Wilcox who is acting DOF and they are actively looking for a replacement.
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u/yard04 23h ago
What's with this take I keep seeing, we've always given every manager more than enough time. Amorim will get time for sure but he has to start showing something.
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u/pure_black99 23h ago
Ten Hag only got as much time as he did because he adapted to his players and got results in his first season. It was not sustainable because it was the same with previous managers.
point being that speaking objectively, Amorim prioritizing the system is better even if it doesn't show results short term
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u/DaveShadow 22h ago
Pretty much every manager got six more months than they deserved. We have a horrid habit of actually being very slow to pull the trigger. The narrative we sack managers super quick is so hilariously wrong, and it’s nearly always Liverpool flairs pushing it too.
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u/JSW88 20h ago
For me it's partly because my United supporting friends would always say you 'weren't a sacking club' when you had Ferguson as manager. Which was obviously a pretty ridiculous take. They don't say that anymore though tbf.
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u/RA576 18h ago
Saying "We don't sack managers" while in the midst of a very long managerial reign, one that didn't even end via sacking, seems pretty sensible for the time tbh.
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u/JSW88 18h ago
I didn't word it great but the way they were saying it was to say they're not the kind of club that would ever sack managers frequently. But as soon as Ferguson leaves they did start sacking managers frequently.
So just like any other team. No team with a manager with the success SAF had would've sacked him. Well, except maybe Chelsea or Real Madrid.
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u/RA576 17h ago
I still wouldn't say we're an overly sacky club. Barring interim/caretaker appointments, only 3 Man U managers have ever been sacked with less than 100 games. Moyes (who people on this sub would already know about), Frank O'Farrell and Wilf McGuinness (who were both trying to take over from Matt Busby, and who both had win percentages at about 37%)
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u/Entire_Pie_7966 18h ago
United fans don't have the patience to wait 2-3 transfer windows to see the result and he might get axed
People keep repeating this, blud we kept Ten Hag last season, fans back the manager more than they should most of the times.
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u/matthieuC 22h ago
This shouldn't be a surprise to management. They know their roaster and his kind of Football. Surely they discussed this during his interview
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u/maver1kUS 20h ago
Ten Hag’s downfall was not being able to get his preferred system going even after couple of windows. I don’t know what gives you the confidence that Amorim will be able to after 2 windows. Unless he can recruit, which he did not do at Sporting, he ain’t gonna make a difference. And Man United have a structure from youth level up to do 4 at the back, so it’s likely to take even longer for him.
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u/youknowimworking 17h ago
I think he was told or promised that he could treat the rest of the season as a long pre season because even though players have worked and played well. He keeps changing things/lineups around. He's trying every single player in multiple roles.
For example, he has played Maguire in all 3 spots on at CB. He worked really well at LCB but he's been trying him at CB for the last 2 games. Diallo played extremely well at wingback but the next game, he used him behind the striker and then as a wide winger. He tried zerkzee as a lone striker and then coming from deep where he worked better.
Amorim is trying alot of different combinations even if things are working, the next game, he changes things. That's why you have up and down results. I don't know how long the fans will support that
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u/imarandomdudd 18h ago
Kind of surprised we never did that, considering we used to always have a very rough December in terms of results year in, year out. Used to be a thing that we'd know by the end of December if we're actually in a title race, based on the amount of points we'd drop
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u/NorthCoastToast 12h ago
And before December 2023, the last time the club had lost five games in the month was 1933.
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u/North-Income8928 14h ago
I don't think I've watched a full match of ours since Ruud's last win. It's bleak and Amorim has almost 0% of the blame.
Garnacho, Rashford, Shaw, Bruno, Linelof, Zirkzee, Mount, Bruno, and Antony are all in their final seasons as United players. It'll be good to move on from these players even if U21 players take their places.
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u/TheOneManDankMaymay 14h ago
It is a slow news day when a cherry picked stat like that is making headlines. Or modern journalism is simply a joke. 🤷🏼♂️
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u/Both_Equipment_8868 23h ago
This will have an impact on United’s marketability. No one wearing their jerseys during the holidays
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