r/seculartalk • u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak • 13d ago
Crosspost What if Kyle Kulinski got his way? (This is how Democrats can win, allegedly)
/gallery/1heuiiy29
19
u/Ancient_Edge2415 13d ago
I'd vote for Stewart. The dnc wouldn't allow someone that will openly call them out tho
16
u/Techygal9 13d ago
I personally believe Jon has made inroads with enough veterans groups to make an inroads into places democrats usually lose. I also think the anger Democratic Party leaders have against him when he stated the obvious about Biden or critiqued them in any way would win a lot of people over.
10
16
u/shawsghost 13d ago
I think the DNC would rig the primaries for Newsom, just like they rigged the primary for Biden when Bernie was a threat.
9
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 13d ago
Not if Ben Wikler becomes DNC Chair and Ken Martin as DNC Executive Director.
7
u/shawsghost 13d ago
Be great if that happened, but I'm not holding my breath for that either.
2
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 13d ago
If it wasn't for Dan Osborn, a possible split from the Democratic Party may never occur.
1
u/mattintaiwan 12d ago
You said the word “rigged.” Better ignore whatever point you were making and change the conversation to me smugly reading the dictionary at you!
4
6
u/Anomalysoul04 13d ago edited 13d ago
JD Vance would never be able to carry the new Republican party on his own. He's too articulate and like a real politician.... now Hulk Hogan, on the other hand.
2
u/ZiggyStarlord69 Dicky McGeezak 12d ago
I firmly believe they’ll go with Trump Jr and signal to the republican base that Trump will still be running the show from behind the scenes
1
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 13d ago
Hulk Hogan running for President in 2028? Who would be his VP, Jimmy Dore?
8
u/EmperorThan 13d ago
Sadly I think the Democrats will pick the absolute fucking worse possible option in 2028 even if Jon Stewart were to decide to run (he won't). We'll be getting Tim Kaine/Sinema 2028 and they'll tell us "This is hands down the most important election of our entire history, the most important one in the history of the planet." And they'll probably run on repealing Obamacare and doubling existing student loan debt to appeal to Republicans.
5
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 13d ago
Idk about Tim Kane, but a Manchin/Sinema 2028 ticket would be even worse.
6
u/BobbyEroicaDupea 13d ago
Lets start by not choosing Stacey Abrams as VP
5
17
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 13d ago
Tbh, Stacy Abrams would make a good VP choice, but AOC would be better.
30
u/BobbyEroicaDupea 13d ago
She would be a terrible choice. She ran two terrible campaigns and she sucks.
-4
u/LordKazekageGaara83 13d ago
No, she's a corporate Democrat. I'd vote for him if he ran with Nina Turner.
I no longer trust AOC because she only cared about the kids in cages when Trump was doing it. The kids are still in the cages and I'm hearing crickets. Also, the Democrats are clearly enabling genocide. She went right along with the program.
14
u/Skrimps4L 13d ago
By your logic Nina Turner isn’t saying anything about kids in cages either. Nina Turner can’t even win a house race. AOC is the most prominent and one of the best if not the best members in congress right now. You have to take strategy into account. I’m sure AOC cares about kids in cages but it’s not going to do anybody any good to go screaming on twitter or in public about every single horrible policy Biden is doing that he’s not going to change. All AOC screaming about Biden having kids in cages will do is attract negative attention to AOC from democrats and put her ability to actually implement changes at risk. There is only so much one person can do.
12
u/LordKazekageGaara83 13d ago
I'm literally from Cleveland and you don't know what you're talking about. The Democrats led by Joe Biden, Jim Clyburn, and Hillary Clinton teamed up with the Republican party to elect a pro AIPAC candidate. They flooded our city with smear campaigns.
And now Joe came back to to our city to pardon that corrupt asshole Jimmy Dimora.
Accountability has to mean something.
5
u/Skrimps4L 13d ago
I know that. But most people don’t and if she was to be nominated for a VP position the first thing people would say is that Nina Turner lost twice.
4
u/LordKazekageGaara83 13d ago
The Democrats have historically won primarily because of the Black vote. We were the most consistent voter base. However, after decades of being spat on the many of us are now staying home.
I honestly don't think they will be enough to restore trust.
Biden has been evil to our community and the fact that AOC doesn't call him out makes people more wary of her. Biden is also instigating genocide as well and he's adding to his level of evil.
Stacy Abrams is just another neoliberal.
One of the most important issues that Nina Turner fights for is ending Qualified Immunity and demilitarizing the police.
Cleveland has had a lot of horrible police shootings.
When the Democratic party interfered with our local election in 2019, it lowered the voter turnout for 2024.
If he got Claudia De la Cruz, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
7
u/Skrimps4L 13d ago
I agree with you. Democrats suck. But AOC has been critical of Biden there’s just certain things she strategically stays quiet about because being loud about it isn’t going to change it and will hurt her ability to make change in the future and elevate her position in the Democratic Party. That’s not even considering what she probably goes through every day being a controversial public figure. She probably gets so many death threats from regular people and powerful insiders too. Anyway I agree with you that Biden is doing horrible things and the Democratic Party too. But I think we should really be less harsh on AOC. She’s human, she makes mistakes and she’s doing the best she can. She’s one of the only allies that we have in Washington and whether we disagree with her on certain ways she goes about doing things, she knows more than we do about how the game is played. That game sucks but she was already elected. There’s no going back for her. She has to do what she can with the cards she was dealt.
6
2
u/beeemkcl Progressive 12d ago
Being able to win elections is very important. What could FDR, LBJ, etc. have done if they couldn't win an election?
For all the complaints about FPOTUS William Jefferson Clinton, he ended Republican White House rule and managed to raise taxes enough to balance the US Government budget. And the middle class did great under FPOTUS Clinton.
If then-US Senator Barack Obama lost in 2008, things would be worse. Same with 2012.
The Black vote is important. But so is obviously the working-class White vote. And there are more working-class White voters than there are Black voters.
1
u/LordKazekageGaara83 12d ago edited 12d ago
The white working class vote is not guaranteed because your Demographic can be split by either party. The 2024 election showed that.
Minority voters were blamed for the defeat and the Democrats still refused to learn.
Those people you mentioned are both illusions of who people thought they were. They're both neoliberals who didn't really support the working class. Perhaps, I should say that black Americans didn't benefit from this because we're living the consequences of Jim Crow and the Bill Clinton allowed Biden to promote his racist mass incarceration project.
Obama used tax payer money to bail out banks and make purchasing insurance mandatory. His ACA was nothing more than a pay out to the insurance companies. He ignored the people who lost their homes.
That policy almost killed me because it eliminated the social programs that allowed people from improvised communities to obtain medical care. After I almost died, they added insult to injury and took my tax refund.
It's because of these things that we no longer trust the Democratic party. They failed to learn which is why they assumed that Kamala Harris was a viable option. Her history terrible as well. A lot of her dirt was discussed before she was even chosen to be the vice president. We were expected to ignore these things in favor of identity politics.
The best way to unify all races of the working class is through policy period.
The best way to do this is to design policy from the bottom up instead from the top down. Black people and native Americans are essentially the canaries in the coal mine. We've been fucked because of US policy. If policy is designed to undo the damage and be applied for everyone at a national level, then they will win election.
Symbolism, bullshit, and virtue-signalling will not win any more elections from the Democratic party.
Last I heard, they were considering running Kamala again or Gavin Newsome. That was the same fool who destroyed tent cities and started throwing folks in jail. Both of them will lose.
If a party is going to win, we will need to see that our tax money is being used for us instead of for war and genocide.
2
u/beeemkcl Progressive 12d ago
Slight correction. Nina Turner couldn't even win a US House primary in a district in which she was largely to mostly the Ohio State Senator of.
0
u/beeemkcl Progressive 11d ago
Continuing the discussion here.
Type "Stewart Mark Cuban" in YouTube and watch the last 2 videos in which Jon Stewart interviews Mark Cuban and then try to argue that Jon Stewart is more progressive than AOC.
And AOC has gained in popularity since the Harris/Walz loss, especially among liberals, 'moderate' Democrats, Independents, and some Republicans.
And, again, Nina Turner couldn't even win a US House primary in a district in which she was largely to mostly the Ohio State Senator of.
1
u/LordKazekageGaara83 11d ago edited 11d ago
Again, you're not from her district and didn't witness what happened first hand. I did, so again you've lost any gains by repeating that same flawed argument and you've lost any attempt to have a discussion. I'm now bored. Literally the Democratic party leadership worked with the Ohio GOP to install the AIPAC candidate.
Nina's campaign was outspent and she didn't want to play dirty. We were literally bombarded with attack ads and mailers. Nina won in the area that were most affected by poverty while the corporate Democrats won in wealthier areas. The areas that have the Whole Foods were the bigger supporters of Shontel Brown while people in my income bracket - Jim Crow affected voted overwhelmingly for Nina Turner. In fact, Nina's campaign office was in Warrensville Heights which is primarily black and people of lower income. In a way the rich people sold us out. Poorer people often need to stand in long lines and aren't privy to absentee voting. Again, you were not there and you did not live the experience, I did.
I was done with the Democratic party after that because our community was literally robbed of our ally. We've been essentially the canaries in the coal mine. If there's ever a harmful policy, we're often hit the hardest because of the consequences of Jim Crow.
The sad reality is that the people who truly fight for our community often get silenced.
In order to undo the damage caused by systematic racism and poverty, policy must be designed from the bottom up instead of top down. You literally find the people who are the most fucked and implement policy to improve their lives and then apply it to everyone else.
With AOC, my main concern is that she would focus her attention on helping only the people with the Whole Foods and leave out the people that live in the hood or on the street. I'm worried that it wouldn't be all inclusive.
2
u/4th_DocTB Socialist 13d ago
And his prediction for 350+ electoral votes for Stewart were again wildly off the mark.
2
u/Colseldra 13d ago
He probably would win besides comedy / tv he is just known for yelling at Congress for not paying money for veterans and 9/11 victims
2
u/beeemkcl Progressive 12d ago
What's in this comment is what I remember, my opinions, etc.
RESPONSE TO THE ORIGINAL POST AND THE THREAD:
Again: some people clearly massively overestimate both Jon Stewart's popularity and his progressivism.
Even though Apple TV was relatively inexpensive and has good shows and such, few went with Jon to Apple TV.
Howard Stern got many people to being Sirius subscribers to the point that Sirius was able to buy its former bigger rival XM Radio.
Joe Rogan got many to get Spotify.
John Oliver gets more viewers than Jon Stewart does and John Oliver clearly didn't much affect the election.
Jon Stewart has never affected an election.
Tina Fey has and seems progressive. And she's clearly liked.
Bill Maher is kinda past his prime, but he was affecting elections from around 2010-2016.
Heck, Emma Vigeland was partly responsible for getting AOC to win her primary. Kyle Kulinski helped form Justice Democrats. Yet he's never run for Office. Neither has Emma.
Why didn't Jon Stewart run for New Jersey US Senator?
2
2
2
u/NewCenter Populist Left 12d ago
I feel like even if it's just a hypothetical, jd vance would not be the nominee but rather one of his sons or ivanka lol
Or turker "bowtie" carlson. Now that is going to be a real challenge
1
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 12d ago
There's a possibility that the Trump Dynasty and the GOP would endorse Libertarian candidate Michael Rectenwald for President.
2
u/TheGuiltyMan1414 11d ago
I’d prefer Jon Stewart pick either AOC, Nina Turner, Richard Ojeda, or someone much more progressive than Stacey Abrams
1
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 11d ago
I don't blame you, realistically, Jon Stewart would prefer a Left-leaning VP to unite the country, regardless of Party affiliation.
1
u/ricks_big_toe 13d ago
Voters also said that they would elect a generic Democrat over Trump.
3
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 13d ago
With Ben Wikler as DNC Chair and Ken Martin as DNC Executive Director, Generic Democrats would end up becoming Progressive Democrats.
1
u/matthew_sch No Party Affiliation 12d ago
I think Kyle is nuts for wanting a celebrity to run as President. Jon Stewart hasn’t even expressed any interest in running
2
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 12d ago
Jon Stewart would make a good White House Press Secretary, tbh.
1
u/Dranzer_22 12d ago
Kyle's obsession with Jon Stewart is mind boggling dumb.
His "check the boxes" mentality is the type of identity politics the Establishment Democrats have been doing for years.
1
u/alpacinohairline Blue Falcon 12d ago
Are we not going to talk about the puppy killer, Noem, on the ticket?
1
u/BrianRLackey1987 Dicky McGeezak 12d ago
Noem as VP would be just as worse compared to her role as Secretary of Homeland Security.
2
1
u/A_trementous_Obelisk 13d ago
other than some basic liberal reforms Stewart ain't that special. his brand of genx "aren't conservatives a bunch of racist rednecks" will play perfectly to the gop. Trump and Obama were completely once in a gen candidates. came out of nowhere, you could project all you hopes onto them.
0
•
u/AutoModerator 13d ago
This is a friendly reminder to read our sub's rules.
This subreddit promotes healthy discussion and hearty debate. We welcome those with varying views, perspectives and opinions. Name-Calling, Argumentum Ad Hominem and Poor Form in discussion and debate often leads to frustration and anger; this behavior should be dismissed and reported to mods.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.