r/seculartalk • u/MABfan11 Socialist • Nov 17 '24
Crosspost How do liberals expect to win back Arab voters if this is how they're behaving?
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u/AValentineSolutions Dicky McGeezak Nov 17 '24
Since when do Democrats care about Arab Americans? They are trying to get suburban white women now. They are going right now. They are embracing conservative racism now. The left has no party. Neither do minority groups.
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u/Minerva1387 Nov 17 '24
I may be scared about the Trump win but I would never blame the Arab population for it.
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u/CrownedLime747 Socialist Nov 17 '24
Neither do I, but I blame the dumbasses that thought Trump would be better for Gaza.
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u/AlwaysSaysRepost Nov 17 '24
If they live in a swing state and didn’t vote for Harris, are they immune from the consequences if they happen to be Arab?
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u/Minerva1387 Nov 17 '24
No one is immune from the consequences, obviously. Even if you are not living in this country, you're not immune.
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u/AlwaysSaysRepost Nov 17 '24
So, Arab-American citizens are to blame for their own actions, despite being Arab-American?
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u/bloodmonarch Nov 17 '24
They arent interested in winning. They are just interested in virtue signalling.
If they wanted to win they would have stood in solidarity with uncommited votes and forced Holocaust Harris to reconsider her stance on active Holocaust.
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u/xionluv Nov 17 '24
And by doing so showing early on that Harris was a losing proposition and getting an open primary or contested convention, but of course that’s not what the goal of the DNC is, they are ideologically committed to reprehensible things just like the other side.
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u/bloodmonarch Nov 17 '24
Yesterday there were lib tourists here who tried to pretend that there was a DNC primary after Biden dropped out lmao. They are a bunch of clowns.
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u/4th_DocTB Socialist Nov 17 '24
Its not really virtue signaling. These people believe they are smarter, more moral, more informed and more deserving because they lick those boots, and they will always side with what they view as power and prestige over anything they claim to believe.
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u/AlwaysSaysRepost Nov 17 '24
Trump didn’t reconsider his stance and still won
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u/bloodmonarch Nov 17 '24
Because between 90% fascists apologists and 100% fascists, fascists always choose 100% fascists. Easy.
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u/Wootothe8thpower Nov 18 '24
quesiton is why would non facist choose that. I mean he got the popular vote this time and sweep the swing states.
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u/bloodmonarch Nov 18 '24
The non fascists would just not vote for either fascists. Simple.
The turnout this year is much lower, and the democrats votes fell off. She lost the youth vote, muslims vote, latin american votes.
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u/Wootothe8thpower Nov 18 '24
it was low compared to 2020. But not really to other years. Think 2020 was just an unusual big year because of Covid. People were stuck home and ton of them just voted by male.
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u/bloodmonarch Nov 18 '24
I dont think its because of vote by mail, I think 2020 is just an anti-trump year and people turned up to vote against him.
2024 in theory should have the same driving motivation for people to votw against trump but people just didnt show up.
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Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24
Many Liberals don't care, they've gone full blown fascist towards minorities after kamala's loss. Scolding Arabs in Michigan saying that they're responsible for the genocide continuing, blaming black and Hispanic men for being too misogynistic, wishing deportation upon Hispanic people in retaliation for voting for trump, saying that they hope the Republicans lock them up in a gulag, etc. totally disgusting behavior.
The fact of the matter is that white men and women overwhelmingly voted Trump and put him into office on their own, but they want to punch down and pick on the classic easy targets instead of doing any self reflection.
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u/Mercurial891 Nov 17 '24
How can they be responsible for the genocide continuing when we are still in Biden’s administration?
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Nov 17 '24
Huh? I think you completely missed what I was saying. Biden is responsible for the genocide right now. But liberals blame Arabs for Kamala's loss, even though Biden and Kamala are killing their family members right now.
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u/Mercurial891 Nov 17 '24
I’m just marveling at the absurd contortions Blue MAGA is twisting itself into to protect the Democrats.
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u/cahir11 Nov 17 '24
Biden is responsible for the genocide right now
If Biden withdrew all military and economic support for Israel tomorrow morning, that would not stop Israel from slaughtering innocent Palestinians. Acting like Biden is responsible for Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir, and other Israeli psychos is the geopolitical equivalent of a conservative who thinks that Biden has a lever to raise or lower gas prices.
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Nov 17 '24
No it's not, we give Israel almost all of their weapons. They are entirely dependent upon our support for their weapons, intelligence and defense on the world stage. you just want to stick up for Biden and the Democrats for some unknown reason when they are doing something indefensible. There is nothing that says we MUST support the state of Israel, it is not in anyone's best interest, not Americans or Palestinians. Ronald Reagan was more critical of israel than Biden, who by the way proclaimed himself a proud Zionist and has taken over $4,000,000 from aipac. They are not responsible but they certainly did not try to reel them in at all. Who is supposed to be the superpower again? They are as close to a vassal state as we have and you act like our hands are tied.
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u/CommercialOrganic573 Nov 17 '24
“Almost all”….You do know that Israel is one of the top 10 global arms EXPORTERS, right? This idea that the US is where all of the Israeli weapons are coming from is just wrong. Don’t get me wrong, cutting off the US supply could result in a reconsideration of how quickly Israel is willing to burn through their stockpiles, but it is insane to me how easily some people on the left have guzzled down the propaganda that this is somehow all on Biden and everything would stop if the US just stopped handing them bombs. Israel is perfectly capable of continuing to produce their own bombs.
It is reflective of an unfortunately common tendency amongst a certain type of leftist wherein they infantilize all non-US actors and imagine the world as though nobody has any agency of their own, and everything that occurs is only because the US sent in the CIA.
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u/LX1980 Nov 17 '24
They don't care, probably just hope the republicans/Trump say and do completely crazy mask off Islamaphobic actions (Muslim bans) and also let Israel take over the West Bank, southern Lebanon etc, so they can campaign off how bad and mean the republicans are.
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u/KarachiKoolAid Nov 17 '24
Arab voters have only been voting Democrat because of 9/11 and the war on terror. Now that enough time has passed they can finally openly vote conservative because they are often socially and fiscally conservative
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u/TheNubianNoob Nov 17 '24
Why are you conflating people online with the people who organize and campaign during elections? You sort of just implicitly make that connection without bothering to explain how you get there. It’s entirely anecdotal, based around a site that itself is already pretty demographically skewed.
Equally anecdotal, I have never met anyone in local or state Democratic politics who’s expressed any of the sentiment expressed in that thread. No doubt they’re out there and there’s probably even some who think it privately.
But as should be obvious by now, there’s not a whole ton of overlap between the people who complain online and the people who go out and actually do politics.
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u/AlwaysSaysRepost Nov 17 '24
You’ve never met a Democratic politician that supports Israel? How many politicians have you met?
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u/TheNubianNoob Nov 17 '24
I think in your haste to reply to my comment, you misread what I wrote. I didn’t say or mention anything about Israel but limited myself to the claim that was being expressed in OP’s post.
What is the sentiment being expressed in the OP?
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u/AlwaysSaysRepost Nov 17 '24
Israel is committing a genocide. You said you’ve never met a politician in real life that supports what was written in OP’s thread. Thread chastises those who didn’t vote Dem because of Palestine. I would say I’ve heard establishment Dems chastise the anti- genocide movement but I really don’t want to take the time to find a post for you to just say it is doctored or something, so, whatever you want to believe
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u/TheNubianNoob Nov 17 '24
I’m sorry, but where does OP mention Israel, Gaza or the war therein? Can you read?
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u/David_Aipacman Nov 17 '24
Man you are clueless. The post referenced is about the uncommitted movement. And why else do you think the OP is about “winning back” Arab voters. OP never said Gaza was the reason she lost. Just that they’ve lost support, which they have.
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u/TheNubianNoob Nov 17 '24
Or you’re illiterate. Unfortunately that’s on top of you having a shit understanding of how our political process works or how its stakeholders function therein.
The OP’s post poses a question: “how do liberals expect to win back Arab voters if this is how they’re behaving”.The post then points to the comments of anonymous individuals online making disparaging remarks about the political acuity of the Uncommitted Movement with the insinuation that the actions of these supposedly online liberals, will drive Arab voters away from Democrats and the left more broadly.
The whole point of it is to call out actions OP finds questionable, presumably because it’s both wrong and inimical to the goal of building a larger coalition which includes Arab voters.
OP does this though by lazily gesturing to one set of angry liberals online, and generalizing their comments as if they’re representative of liberals everywhere.
My first comment wasn’t even about Democratic politicians. It was about the activists and campaign staff who work in their localities to get candidates elected and measures passed. Those are the people whose opinions matter. Not some online goobers who are salty cuz our candidate lost.
It is in interesting I haven’t heard back from the original person I was replying to…
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u/AlwaysSaysRepost Nov 17 '24
Do you know what the “Uncommitted Movement” is? Why do you think Arab voters were not voting for Dems?
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u/TheNubianNoob Nov 17 '24
I know what the Uncommitted Movement is. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? The OP is about supposed liberals being salty and how they shouldn’t be because it’ll put off Arab voters, not how Democrats are supportive of Israel.
Can you read?
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u/darkwingduck9 No Party Affiliation Nov 17 '24
There are replies in this thread similar to what is shown in the graphic. For the sake of argument I'll grant you that online Democrat supporters are not similar to candidates and those campaigning for them (even though this isn't true).
So we should then ignore Kamala and Biden arming, funding, and giving political cover for the genocide? We should ignore Zionist Democrats like Fetterman, Torres, and frankly most elected Democrats are Zionists. Are we to ignore the DNC attendees who smiled as activists read off the names of dead Palestinians? Are we supposed to ignore Bill Clinton's campaign speech for Kamala?
Democrats are a capitalist and imperialist party and the Zionist project is important to US Empire.
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u/TheNubianNoob Nov 17 '24
Are the replies in this thread which share the same sentiment as the OP coming from liberals who are Democratic activists and/or active party members? What do you think the over/under on that bet would be?
Otherwise, I don’t know why you’re using them as some sort of Ur example. And I’m sorry but did you actually read what I wrote? What does the Biden administration being supportive of Israel have to do with people online shitting on Arab voters?
There’s a tangential connection in that some people, again mostly online, believe that Gaza was an issue that cost Harris the election. But to date, there’s not any evidence to support this. Exist polling has pointed to people’s concerns about immigration and the economy. Harris didn’t lose because of Gaza.
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u/herewego199209 Nov 17 '24
Just wait until Arabs see what Trump is going to do in the Middle East. They'll be begging for someone to step in let alone vote. This virtue signaling shit is going to backfire big time.
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u/pieceofwheat Dem Voter / Blue Capitalist Nov 17 '24
They made their choice in the election and now must live with the consequences.
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