r/reddeadredemption • u/ArthurMorgan_rdr2 Arthur Morgan • Nov 02 '23
Speculation Did u realise rdr teaches how Mandela effects works?
Ppl ask that if Mandela effects are people misremembering the way a thing actually is, why is everyone misremembering in the same way? As in "Berstein" & Monopoly guy with a monocle?
One of the biggest Mandela effects in gaming is when Jack Marston confronts Edgar Ross at the end of Rdr1. The majority of the players remember that Ross was fishing when it happened. In reality, he was duck-hunting.
But the reason many ppl remember him fishing is because of the lake dynamic in both rdr 1 & 2, in 2 when Milton & Ross introduced themselves, they were shown in front of a lake. & Arthur was fishing then.
When the final scene in rdr1 happened between Jack & Ross, they were both shown in the same angle of shots and in the same POV as the Arthur fishing mission.
We can understand from this that the way we misremember something in the same way because the memory doesn't change in its own way in our individual minds, but something alters it the same way, be it just common sense, societal norm, or smth similar depicted in the same way.
Just a thought off my mind.
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u/Electronic-Quote7996 Pearson Nov 02 '23
It’s people misremembering for sure. Jiffy peanut butter. It’s jif and skippy mixed up in your head Josh. Not everything is a dmt trip buddy.
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u/randomw0rdz Nov 02 '23
But wait a minute, I just met God and I want you to meet him, too.
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u/JamesonFlanders245 Nov 03 '23
may i introduce you to the devil instead? he has booze and hookers waiting for ya.
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u/their_teammate Nov 03 '23
Also the fact that by asking a person “do you remember it as Jiffy?” primes them to believe that is the case as it’s what is at the forefront of their consciousness at the moment
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u/CNpaddington Nov 02 '23
I think the line Ross says to a young Jack - “enjoy your fishing, kid” - probably didn’t help. A lot of people, myself included, read that as a foreshadowing and so we assumed Ross must have been fishing at the end of RDR. “Enjoy your duck hunt, kid” doesn’t sound as good.
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Nov 02 '23
Good ol' "Berstein"
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u/naughtyrev Nov 03 '23
As a parent and a person who likes to DIY stuff, I can tell you my favorite thing about the Berenstain Bears is the father bear who is according to the stories a master carpenter but in the drawings does things that are wildly dangerous to himself and others when it actually shows him attempting to build things.
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u/TheZac922 Nov 03 '23
You’re definitely overcooking this lol. Some people misremember it as fishing because the confrontation happens down by the water.
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u/bermudalily Nov 03 '23
Yeah, RDR1 is the game I played most as a teenager. He was always been duck hunting on the San Louis. I think it's not even people "misremembering" I think it's just a meme where people tried desperately to connect Jack and Ross and simplified RDR1's ending with "he was fishing by the water" and then a bunch of people who never even played 1 just hopped on the weird false symbolism bandwagon.
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u/danni_shadow Nov 03 '23
I mean, it was definitely mis-remembering for some people. I always thought he was fishing, maybe even before playing RDR2, but certainly before I saw people drawing the parallels. But it's been more than a decade since I've played the first one and duck hunting is not something super common in my life whereas fishing is. So it was probably easy for my brain to supplant something I'm not familiar with with something I see all the time, since he was standing next to a river iirc.
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u/wickedmercenary313 Nov 06 '23
Yea but definitely not common, most people remember he was duck hunting.
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u/GypsumF18 Nov 03 '23
I think the Mandela effect is just the brain filling in gaps where we don't clearly remember every detail.
For example, we remember confronting Ross by the side of the water, and that he's doing something there. The brain fills the gap and assumes he's fishing, which isn't an unreasonable assumption for most people to make.
The problem is that most people have a hard time accepting that their brain makes a lot of stuff up, and is merely their interpretation of what is happening around them, and not some infallible recording device.
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u/Amtath Nov 03 '23
Thought the same thing. Remember him being near or even in water. And assume fishing for the reasons you gave. Details tend to be forgotten over time.
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u/0235 Nov 03 '23
I get a lot of stuff with words I read or hear someone else say.
I had an American CD of maths and science. To this day I think that the British pronunciation of "lever" is something you ought pull, to activate a machine. But the American pronunciation is for a lever on a seesaw or fulcrum.
Despite 20 years knowing this, I still call one lever, and the other lever.
Apparently berenstain bears my friend remembers the TV announcer at the start of the show got the name wrong a few times, so many people were introduced to the show with the incorrect name being said, even though the title screen always spelled it correctly.
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u/OfficerWims Nov 02 '23
"one of the biggest Mandela effects"? According to who? I've never seen anyone get it mixed up.
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 02 '23
People get it mixed up all the time. Recently I saw a post talking about whether Jack remembers Ross from his and Arthur's fishing trip, and the literal top comment stated that the trip is a parallel to Ross's death, which is in fact incorrect.
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u/viniremesso Nov 03 '23
Just because he wasn’t fishing, doesn’t mean is not a parallel
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 03 '23
So how is it a parallel? They both got confronted near a river, big deal.
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u/itssbojo Nov 03 '23 edited Nov 03 '23
in rdr2, arthur is doing a task meant to be simple and quick in an area expected to be quiet and safe. there, he’s approached by the enemy who is “above” arthur, being on higher ground and horseback, signifying their advantage and putting him in a helpless position.
x years later, in rdr1, they’re in this exact same predicament only the roles are reversed. ross is in that “helpless” position and jack is above him.
now this is just how i feel, but i’d say it’s safe to assume they’re highlighting the stark contrast between the two. arthur, the “terrible outlaw,” stays calm and collected while ross, the “just agent,” gets worked up and ready for violence.
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u/CdubWillia Nov 03 '23
Lake, but calm down regardless.
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u/Prudent_Insurance804 Nov 03 '23
Didn’t Arthur take Jack to a stream to fish, and wasn’t Ross hunting on a river in Mexico?
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u/viniremesso Nov 03 '23
I mean, if you can’t see the parallel, you’re probably mentally challenged
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 03 '23
I see what you mean, but it's purely coincidental and not even that interesting nor important.
I have a parallel for you. Did you notice how the balls on your horse grow when it's hot? That actually symbolises Arthur's honor growing, as he goes from the cold mountains into the warmer eastern regions. Truly magnificent.
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u/viniremesso Nov 03 '23
Are like a 8 year old? Because if you are, I won’t even engage in a conversation with you. And like I said, if you can’t see the parallel between 2 characters meeting for the first and last time in similar situations. You clearly are mentally challenged or a child.
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 03 '23 edited Nov 03 '23
What the hell is this grammar? "Are like a 8 year old?"? Two mistakes right there. And if I can't see the parallel, then what? You didn't even finish the sentence.
You're talking like you're having a stroke and I'm supposed to be the mentally challenged one.
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u/viniremesso Nov 03 '23
Well, I’m not a native English speaker. Unlike you that lacks critical thinking skills. That can’t comprehend parallels even when they are throw in your face. Então aproveita e vai pra puta que te pariu mermao
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 05 '23
I'm not a native English speaker either. You think that because you can speak Spanish, your English can be terrible? Denkst du wirklich, dass das eine Ausrede ist? Du bist lustig. Du kannst wahrscheinlich nicht einmal richtig Spanisch sprechen. I ako smatraš da je "paralela" o kojoj smo razgovarali uistinu zanimljiva i drži ikakvu vrijednost, onda ne znaš kako izgleda prava paralela.
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u/OfficerWims Nov 02 '23
And that one comment and however many upvoters is the majority of players?
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 02 '23
The comment had over a thousand upvotes. It's obvious people are misremembering. Besides, why are you being so pedantic over this? Just because you haven't seen something, doesn't mean it's not true.
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u/OfficerWims Nov 02 '23
It's silly to call this "the biggest Mandela effect in gaming".
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 02 '23
They probably meant to say "in RDR". It's really not that deep. Maybe you shouldn't look this much into small things, it's not healthy.
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u/OfficerWims Nov 02 '23
OP made it clear in another reply what they meant. "Gaming related"
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 02 '23
Well, if you want to be so precise, they said "one of the biggest".
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u/OfficerWims Nov 02 '23
And I said it isn't one of the biggest. So... ?
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u/HereComesTheSun05 Nov 02 '23
Quoting you "It's silly to call this "the biggest Mandela effect in gaming".
You said they called it the biggest Mandela effect in gaming even though they specified it's one of the biggest.
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u/UnwieldingBlade Sadie Adler Nov 03 '23
Yeah same, I’ve never really had a mix up, he’s obviously duck hunting and it’s been years since I last played the first game
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u/Megamuffin585 Nov 03 '23
Yeah this one is a little weird. I played the OG game nonstop in 2010 and you need a duck for 100% completion and I went looking for ducks where I killed him because he was duck hunting... a real Mandela effect is Ed McMahon and Publishers Clearing house.
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u/ArthurMorgan_rdr2 Arthur Morgan Nov 02 '23
Not one of the biggest Mandela effects in general, but in the gaming community. As in gaming-related.
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u/OfficerWims Nov 02 '23
My point still stands even in gaming, I've never seen anyone make a big deal about getting them mixed up.
I would assume the "majority" you refer to have only played RDR2, so they just don't even have a memory of that scene.
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u/ArthurMorgan_rdr2 Arthur Morgan Nov 02 '23
Average reddit addict:
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u/OfficerWims Nov 02 '23 edited Nov 02 '23
That's extremely funny coming from you in particular.
Can't back up your argument so you resort to name-calling.
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u/TastyBirds Nov 02 '23
Wait a minute... are you saying all this time they haven't been called the "Bear Stain Bears"?
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u/ArthurMorgan_rdr2 Arthur Morgan Nov 02 '23
They r actually called that. But ppl always remember bearstein.
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u/WhiteyPinks Nov 03 '23
It's Berenstain vs Berenstein. It's a mixup of one letter and is easily explainable. There was a misprint on the tag of one of the plush toys that was very popular that incorrectly spelled it "Berenstein". People remember the tag because they spent more time with the plushie than the books or TV series.
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u/Visible-Parsnip3889 Nov 03 '23
People think he was fishing because it was by the river that divides Mexico and the states in game. The rifle he’s holding in faded memories could easily be remembered as a fishing rod and given how much fishing you do in the sequel it’s fair enough. I do however remember that Edgar was duck hunting but I think that’s only because I replayed the game a few years ago so it’s still fresh in the mind
I also think it’s to do with the fact that the first time we meet Edgar and the other guy in rdr2 Arthur is fishing so it’s almost poetic if Edgar was fishing when Jack confronts him.
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u/PezDiSpencersGifts Nov 03 '23
Brains are infallible. Nobody “misremembers” anything or gets things confused with one or several other things. It’s way more plausible/realistic that multiverses are colliding with slight variations between worlds that explain these Mandela Effects
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u/user3576863126462165 Nov 03 '23 edited Nov 03 '23
Of course, no way in hell I was born in the Berstain universe, IT'S BERENREIN!
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u/PezDiSpencersGifts Nov 03 '23
Oh great. It’s worse than I thought! I remember it as Berenstain. Whose multiverse is colliding into whose?
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u/user3576863126462165 Nov 03 '23 edited Nov 03 '23
Na, you guys are the foreigners. It can't be Berenstain! I would remember the "stain" part of it because it sounds like the bears spilled honey on their clothing or something. It's Berenrein!
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u/PezDiSpencersGifts Nov 03 '23
Maybe it actually was Bearstain, but the Berenstain/Berenstein/Berenstien/Berstain killed them all off and they have all but been forgotten lol
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u/537lesjr Nov 03 '23
There are 2 explanations of the Mandela effect. 1) People remember how pop culture (movies, tv, ect) did parodies or changed things up a bit. 2) People just don't remember.
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Nov 03 '23
And option 3, which is the most plausible, the hadron collider firing up created an alternate branch of the universe. A grainy youtube video I saw confirms this.
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u/Subtra47 Nov 03 '23
Same thing with the episode of the office where they can’t remember if Stanley has a mustache or not
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u/Slinky_Malingki Sadie Adler Nov 03 '23
Arthur was fishing by a river with a Jack, not a lake.
Sorry, just being a bit nitpicky
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u/giveme-a-username Hosea Matthews Nov 03 '23
So was Ross. He was fishing into he river between new Austin and Mexico.
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u/Slinky_Malingki Sadie Adler Nov 03 '23
I know, I'm just pointing out that OP said that Arthur was fishing a lake, which isn't true. It was a river.
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u/Viscera_Viribus Nov 03 '23
if people genuinely forgot he was duck hunting for fishing because of RDR2, theyre forgetful is all. the second you said that stuff about fishing,
i just thought people really ignored what jack learns while tracking ross and why hes fishing with a shotgun LOL. Wife literally says hes up to duck hunting before you go confront ross. OP is downvoted to hell for name calling after this generalization lol
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u/Silas5116 Bill Williamson Nov 03 '23
The one that fucked me up was realising that Guarma wasn't a real Island. From the very beginning of the game you can find products like Guarma Rum and hear about it through the paper and conversations to the point where i had just accepted that there had always been an island in the carribean called Guarma.
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u/giveme-a-username Hosea Matthews Nov 03 '23
Well there is a real island called Guam, so that's probably not helping with it either.
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u/RedDeadSchofield Nov 03 '23
The coincidence lies more in the fact that Jack and Edgar Ross, even though they didn’t know it, first met at a river and met for a final time at a river. Also their location were switched Milton and Ross trapped Arthur and Jack between them and a river, where as in RDR Jack trapped Edgar between him and the river.
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u/Roninizer Nov 03 '23
Speaking of Mandela effects
I have this crazy one in my head where I swear in the first red dead game, if you didn't skip to your destination while using a fast travel wagon, the Wagon would have a chance to be attacked/robbed by bandits at some point during the trip. I even remember if you were to fall asleep to skip the trip, sometimes it would wake you up mid attack/trip.
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u/andrewg702 Nov 03 '23
I always knew he wasn’t fishing cause the mf had a double barrel shotgun out
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u/Tippydaug Nov 03 '23
I've gone back and forth between my thoughts on it over the years, but what solidified my skepticism was the famous Star Wars Darth Vader quote and Froot Loops
The amount of folks legitimately believing it was "Luke, I am your father" and claiming it's a Mandela Effect when I was practically born watching Star Wars made me go "huh, that was clearly them misremembering"
For Froot Loops, I would always line up the colors to match the 4 Os they have on the box, so folks who insist it was "Fruit Loops" and changed again make me realize it's really just people misremembering
It's a good bit of fun when folks are joking around with it, but I don't even remotely take it seriously
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u/ClassiusCorvinus Nov 03 '23
Idk if this is Mandela especially since you can just verify in a few second on the game
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u/ArthurMorgan_rdr2 Arthur Morgan Nov 03 '23
I mean I can just verify a mandella effect by googling a photo of Monopoly too
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u/Dycoth Arthur Morgan Nov 03 '23
I agree with the Mandela effect, not with how you justify it.
I effectively remembered that we confronted Ross in front of a river or a lake while he was fishing. I was remembering that even before playing RDR2, so no way that the mission with Milton influenced my memory.
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u/danni_shadow Nov 03 '23
I made another comment saying the same thing. I thought he was fishing before playing RDR2 and way before anyone on reddit compared the two scenes. But I don't know anyone in real life who has ever duck hunted (other than the NES game) whereas I know lots of people who fish all the time and I've fished myself. My brain probably conflated the hunting aspect with the body of water aspect and said, "Duck hunting? Nah, must be fishing," without me realizing.
Edit: especially since 'retired old man spends his newly acquired free time fishing" is such a huge trope.
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u/iambobo7 Aug 18 '24
idk if this was in an update or whatever, but in the final mission of rdr2 when you kill micah, there is a sniper that shoots charles and you have to avoid him. dont worry hes still there lol. i remember you had to go super far up the mountain with sadie to kill him, but after watching kai cenat play rdr2 and even me playing the game for the third time you can just kill him from the start? i remember desperately trying to go up the slippery mountain to get a shot on him during my first playthrough.
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u/sean_saves_the_world Nov 03 '23
It's called a parallel not the mendela affect
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u/giveme-a-username Hosea Matthews Nov 03 '23
It's not though. Because Ross WASN'T fishing, that's the whole point.
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u/sean_saves_the_world Nov 03 '23
Nah dude it's still a metaphoric sense a parallel even though Ross was duck hunting
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u/NemesisRouge Nov 03 '23
I'm still not over the girl from Moonraker not having braces. There's got to be some extra-dimensional shenanigans going on there.
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u/mr-gwher Nov 03 '23
That's a very good point, I myself remembered it as fishing. Hunting is probably more fitting because that had been Ross' career essentially. Good post 👍
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Nov 03 '23
Just finished rdr a few days ago. You are told by his wife that he is hunting with his brother and then you ride to his brother who then tells you he is fishing down stream.
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u/Jock_Dungaree Nov 03 '23
Idk about the whole mandela concept here but the way those two scenes were shot was definitely a well done parallel. FWIW I did think he was fishing so I can confirm I misremembered it.
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u/King_Khoma Javier Escuella Nov 03 '23
i only remember he was hunting because i remember thinking if jack pulled up on me like that while i had a shotgun in my hand i wouldnt have dropped it to pull out my revolver.
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u/CapnSherman Nov 03 '23
RDR's achievement for after Jack finishes things with Ross, "Nature or Nurture?", has a duck in a crosshair. I've never misremembered the scene with Ross as him fishing at the lake.
It's the first time I'm hearing this was a mandela-effect-thing for some people, but I can see why. I think Mandela effects occur around moments or things that people feel fond of, but were given such a strong impression of that it's the impression that was more important to remember than the details. The blanks are filled in with assumptions.
RDR is a long game, and more people are widely familiar with fishing as a common thing to do at a lake than duck hunting. Importantly, the scene doesn't really rely on the fact Ross was there hunting for the encounter to work, whether it was a shotgun or a fishing rod he sets down doesn't change the feeling of finding him as Jack or the game ending soon after.
I just think it's neat. The RDR2 scene at the lake immediately made me think of RDR's ending too, though I had no idea they reused shot angles and probably intended for us to make that connection more meaningful than a knowing wink to how it ends
RDR3 confirmed to follow Milton & Ross, with a co-op campaign focused on enforcing a non-negotiable status quo fun arresting those rascally outlaws (Rockstar heard you wanted more bounty hunter missions)
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u/Sn00PiG Sean Macguire Nov 03 '23
Just one thing: Milton and Ross wasn't shown in front of a lake, Arthur and Jack went down to the river to fish, and there is no shot where you can see M&R and the water too. So it can't be that. Case closed.
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u/LlamiaMagica Nov 03 '23
It also could just be that he's standing next to a river? and people just assume river=fishing
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u/jhamelaz Nov 03 '23
Speaking of the Mandela effect. Anyone remember that movie that Sinbad did Shazam where he was a genie?
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u/BlackNerdGuy Nov 02 '23
interesting. just looked up a video and yeah he had a shotgun in his hand and his wife stated he was “hunting down by the lake”