r/reddeadmysteries • u/skizwald • Aug 18 '20
Game Files The Bear Heart Trinket, which was cut from the game, appears to have Vikings runes on it.
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u/Grizzly9818 Aug 18 '20
It has a few different protection runes i just cant make out the smaller ones i can see they are probably the usual, protection, wisdom and prosperity runes
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u/Samuraibeb0p Aug 18 '20
Maybe it would have offered a protection buff on bullet damage but was cut for being to overpowered.
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u/HyperVenom23 Aug 18 '20
Most likely the case with all the cut trinkets because I can’t see them cutting a trinket out of the game “because they didn’t have enough time to finish it” so probably all the cut trinkets either triggered a cut mission like the futuristic trinket or were too overpowered and easily acquired
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u/LordEmostache Aug 18 '20
Sorry I'm a bit out of the loop, whats the futuristic trinket?
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u/HyperVenom23 Aug 18 '20 edited Aug 18 '20
you can see it in this screenshot
So (idk if you know this but IKZ is related to the epsilon program and time travel) it’s supposed to be connected to time travel and it has something to do with Francis Sinclair as well as the missing princess, it’s more like a whole dlc instead of just a side mission that has one or two short parts.
There are all types of interesting things in this particular screenshot like the signet ring (royal ring) which seems to also be connected to IKZ.
You can also see a bunch of interesting Native American and Mayan stuff.
Basically the futuristic trinket is something you are/were supposed to get from doing an extra secret mission with Francis Sinclair in which presumably you’d meet the princess.
My personal take on this is that it’s either some sort of normal device from our time that Arthur calls a trinket because he doesn’t know what it is or its a device from a time more advanced than ours and it is some sort of mobile time travel device.
Edit: I’m sorry for the very long reply I just like to talk about this stuff and you gave me an opportunity to explain it to you lol sorry
Edit 2: it seems the futuristic trinket is some sort of time travel device as seen here because this is definitely not some sort of device from our time
Edit 3: I just also wanted to add these items prove that you can craft a special asteroid trinket if you find all three
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u/OnlyMogo Aug 19 '20
Nothing about it looks futuristic or some sort of advanced device, it’s most likely named “futuristic” due to the story context surrounding the trinket and the fact it’s made up of machine parts and looks sort of like a homemade gadget which is time appropriate.
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u/Lon_Young Aug 18 '20
Typical control freak rockstar! Overpowering or not id have liked to use it! I mean jeez, wouldnt it be our choice in the game to get it or not! Put it in and let the players decide for ourselves! I cant stand this kind of crap! Games are taken way to serious! Its a damn game, the more options the better!
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u/sethboy66 Aug 19 '20
None of those are runes. Norse runes (commonly Elder or Younger Futhark) are just an alphabet, they have no magical meaning and do not stand to represent anything except in the case where the rune is named after an object. But there use to refer to such object is rare. Digraphs, or bind runes, can stand as a sort of signature for a local lord or land owner, but again they have no magical meaning.
I see one stave there, the Vegvísir. Which does have magical meaning in that it's a compass meant to guide one to safety through bad weather. But it's important to note that these staves were developed from pentacles first found in Eastern Europe in the 15th century, and didn't find it's way to Scandiwegia/Iceland until the late 18th century. I do see 3 others pentacles that I'm sure I've seen before, but don't remember what they mean, there's hundreds of them out there.
Sorry for the rant, I'm from Iceland and just like to spread this knowledge.
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u/skizwald Aug 19 '20
It was my fault for calling them runes in the post. I knew they weren't regular runes, I should have taken the time to look up what they were. I've come across them online dozens of times while looking up the other symbols in the game.
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u/kyhouseman Aug 18 '20
I'm just curious, how do we know these items were cut? Because they're in the files and so far unobtainable or is there information in the data mine stating the assets are on disc but not used? I remember some older games I looked into had it visible how many times an item was placed and what instances it connects to, is this similar?
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u/HyperVenom23 Aug 18 '20 edited Aug 18 '20
Well you see that’s the thing, a lot of people believe that most of the cut content in the game is still there but just requires an intricate set of actions to be done in an particular order so that the presumably cut content can be triggered and seen ingame, there are also people who just write off anything that might be hard to access as cut content,
personally I believe there might be one or two ingame mysteries we believe are cut but are actually not but no more than just one or two that might be game changing to the story line.
I find it very hard to believe that every single thing in the game files is 100% used in the final product.
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u/kyhouseman Aug 18 '20 edited Aug 18 '20
I agree, I think theres still some things to be found but some things are almost as officially declared to be cut as they can be, things like IKZ. But the tree faces, silent lightning striking the Indian burial ground and such i believe have solutions.
What I'm saying though is I think it was the morrowind editor, every item in the game had a number that represented how many times that item was referenced in game, or in layman's terms how many times that object was placed. A rare item might only have one reference where as a common item might have thousands.
Is there a way to check these kinda references in RDR2?
Edit: spelling
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u/Nibleggi Aug 19 '20
It’s rockstar games tho. There’s always been hoaxes and myths in these games that lead to nothing even after years of searching.
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u/KRIEGLERR Aug 19 '20
What are your thoughts about the Legendary Channel Catfish ? Apparently it is cut content as gamefiles say it's unobtainable and only appears in a stanger mission (from that Strange Man youtube video)
But I do think it's weird that not only they would cut the end to a lenghty quest but also give you an item that is basically useless (special spinner) if you can't do anything with it.
Why not remove the Special Spinner aswell ?
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u/HyperVenom23 Aug 20 '20
Well I guess they never really said upfront that the special spinner is intended for the catfish, plus the game file suggest they did it as a cruel joke, to “catfish” us if you will
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u/KRIEGLERR Aug 20 '20
plus the game file suggest they did it as a cruel joke, to “catfish” us if you will
Source on that?
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u/HyperVenom23 Aug 20 '20
Well this video about sums it all up: https://youtu.be/f1EL9PPINAU
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u/KRIEGLERR Aug 20 '20
I know the video, while I know it's not in the game, I don't think they did it as a joke to "catfish" us.
I think it ultimately got scrapped like a lot of things that were linked to Arthur being able to enter New Austin.Still doesn't really explain why they decided to keep the Spinner in, because once you're done with all fishes it's literally useless.
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u/skizwald Aug 18 '20
Mostly because they are in the files, but havent been found in game. It probably is possible to search through everything and look for where/when they should appear, but that is beyond me. Most of the trinkets that are thought to be cut, also arent mentioned at all in any of the guides.
Who knows, there could be a super secret way to find them, but it's been a couple years and no one had.
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Aug 18 '20
I don’t see any runes (such as Futhark) but there is a Vegvísir on there, the rest are probably protection Sigils
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u/DarthCthulhutheWise Aug 18 '20
Vegvísir is on there but it's not a Viking symbol.
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u/FolkAsFuhk Aug 22 '20
Woah. Yeah. Its absolutely a Nordic symbol. Frat boys have it tattooed on their calves and everything!
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u/DarthCthulhutheWise Aug 22 '20
Whoa how could it not be Nordic if its called the "Viking Compass?" Checkmate Anglicans.
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u/Psychoottinen Aug 19 '20
Not a vegvisr, but rather a weird aegishjalmur stave. Usually aegishjalmur has 8 "pointers" but these ones only have 6. Also, aegishjalmur is not really part of the viking religion, since the symbol started popping up only (relatively) recently in Iceland. But that's a whole another can of worms I don't want to touch.
Anyways, cool find! I'm always giddy when I get to see runes and such on this sub!
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Aug 19 '20
Oh I know it isn’t apart of the religion, I’m a Norse pagan so I know a tiny bit a runes so when I saw the caption about the video I got a tad excited hoping to see elder or younger futhark haha
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u/Psychoottinen Aug 19 '20
I see :D upon closer inspection I can see a few bindrunes. One multi-stacked tiwaz rune and one doubled ansuz rune atleast. I'm not sure how historically accurate they are, but as far as I know bindrunes were more ornametal than anything so I don't think there are any set rules as to how a bindrune should be built or to what counts as one.
Regarding what they mean, I have no clue tbh :D
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u/Sh_Sh_Shaw_ Aug 19 '20
I really feel like all of the trinkets, outfits, and ritual sites all served some bigger purpose at some point. For example; maybe being able to perform rituals as Arthur or John to obtain the abilities that the trinkets just give to you. Or maybe even part of some supernatural storyline that was ultimately just cut from the game for being too weird or too lengthy or even for being culturally insenstive.
My hope is that it was cut for future DLC and not indefinitely. Although now that Dan Houser and Lazlow have left who knows if that will ever happen. I think the unused assets make their way into the game somehow like that mediocre timed online dlc from halloween last year, which I firmly believe was ment to be the Witch from the Witches couldron.
Same goes for the moonshine storyline which feels like they ripped it right out of the singleplayer story and patched it into online, swapping arthur with your mute online character since arthurs lines probably weren't recorded anyway.
Which in my opiniong sounds like the cheap corporate thing to do, but what do i know? I could just be talking outta my ass!
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u/Sweet_Taurus0728 Aug 18 '20 edited Aug 18 '20
None of those are runes, or even bindrunes.
There are 2 wannabe Icelandic staves though.
Onna side note, I hate it when trinkets aren't wearable/visible. If this Bear Heart was wearable, I wonder what it'd be?
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u/skizwald Aug 18 '20
I was incorrect in calling them runes. I think sigils would be a better term, or staved as you said.
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u/skizwald Aug 18 '20 edited Aug 19 '20
Most of the trinkets seem to have a string or clip. This one doesnt seem to have anything.
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u/McWinkyWoo Aug 19 '20
Bear Heart is R*’s play on words for Bret Hart and this little object allows you to don rather camp black and pink biker jackets and put bears in a sharpshooter.
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u/Goldenspudlet Aug 18 '20
Damn it, I love this game. I honestly wanted to hate it because I dislike western stuff, thank go my pal Bruce forced me.
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u/decrementsf Aug 18 '20
You're me. Hated the Western genre. RDR changed my perspective, and RDR2 blew away all expectations.
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u/Swampgermanboi Aug 19 '20
Not runes, but galdrastafir. They were magical sigils used by the Icelanders around the 17th century.
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u/M4gnu5342 Aug 27 '20
There’s a whole Viking grave site.... is this not talked about.. like the Viking landing with inscriptions detailing the story of how they made it to the America’s and survived
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u/skizwald Aug 27 '20
It's all been talked about before on this sub just not much recently. That's why I thought this was worth sharing. One more connection to the viking stuff.
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u/M4gnu5342 Aug 27 '20
But besides me has anyone actually followed the side missions for it
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u/skizwald Aug 27 '20
I mean, the games been out for 2 years, the writing has been translated, and people have done some pretty good write ups on the viking tomb.
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u/M4gnu5342 Aug 27 '20
I’m not dropping spoilers but all I’m saying is not all missions have waypoints... I actually spent my time reading books when I get too bored in red dead the same way I listen to the stories in God of War when I’m bored... and they start different missions albeit unofficially
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u/M4gnu5342 Aug 27 '20
It’s one thing to get caught up in what you see but just like the Aberdeen pig farm with its many many more mysteries and mommas grave stone and everything... it’s the smaller things that lead to the real rewards because you took the time to find it
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u/Grizzly9818 Aug 18 '20
Definite viking runes, i cant figure out the significance i cant make them all out
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u/skizwald Aug 18 '20
I couldnt really get any closer to it. I might be able to take some pictures with photo mode
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Aug 18 '20
Does anyone know how to remove a trinkets effects? I can’t get John drunk because of the wolf heart trinket. It doubles the amount of alcohol you can drink before you feel the effects.
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u/caried Aug 18 '20
I just started a new play through and it’s so fun getting a buzz off two bottles of whiskey.
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u/CeeArthur Aug 19 '20
I've actually never managed to make a trinket, though I save all the applicable items for them. found the trapper items much easier to get
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u/swimmingbutterknife Aug 19 '20
What does "cut from the game" mean?
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u/Somerandombritishguy Red Dead Online [Discovery] Aug 19 '20
Probably from the Viking burial place and you needa treasure map to find it
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u/dudu_oson_ Aug 20 '20
They look like Payo Mayombe pagan markings like in the swamp and ritual site.
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u/UltraInstinctAirpods Aug 18 '20
what are the effects?