r/palestinenews • u/sabbah Mod • May 20 '24
News Article Ireland to recognize the State of Palestine this May
https://english.palinfo.com/news/2024/05/20/319243/51
u/aa1898 May 20 '24
What's interesting is that Ireland has been wanting to get the entire EU to recognise Palestine, so that it will mean a lot more to Palestine in terms of trade agreements, cooperation etc. They've obviously met a lot of resistance from certain countries, whose self-obsessed and easily exploited guilt dictates their foreign policy. But it seems like Ireland, Spain and some other countries have changed their course from wanting to recognise Palestine EU-wide to now individually do so. Let's hope more will follow.
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u/BalkanFerros May 21 '24
Well.. Looks at country with a colony, laws and government not of their own volition placed by England
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u/upbeat_controller May 21 '24
Yep. Unfortunately the Irish know a thing or two, because they’ve seen a thing or two…
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u/globalminority May 21 '24
Will always be grateful to the Irish for showing the way to Indians to get their independence from British empire. Previous attempts at independence failed until the Irish leaders helped model Indian independence movement on the Irish model. Lot of Indian constitution is based on Irish constitution. Even Indian flag is Irish flag flipped sideways with a chakra added in the centre.
So if the Irish take a position on something, they probably know what they're doing. They've been fighting for underdogs around the world for over a century now.
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May 21 '24
Wow. That's pretty cool to hear.
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u/V01d3d_f13nd May 20 '24
To be honest, I never really recognized Israel
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u/ibtcsexy May 21 '24
This is precisely the root of the cycle of wars because the majority of Palestinians refuse to recognize and accept Israel's sovereignty and statehood (from Palestinians answer to polls and other research). It's why other Western countries especially (and Japan), despite footing the bill for decades of humanitarian aid, are certainly not rushing to do follow suit when it is not what the majority of the population want in their support for Hamas still being extremely high. Peaceful coexistence and Palestinian statehood requires recognition of Israel's existence and borders.
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u/SonutsIsHere May 21 '24
Honestly it is good news that some nations are eager to recognize Palestine
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May 21 '24
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u/Arlennx May 21 '24
I love Ireland. Always on the right side of history. Those who understand the persecutions of the past done to their people never forget.
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u/reychango May 22 '24
Much love and respect for my fellow Irish. Beautiful country if you get a chance to visit.
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u/Ill_Preparation_2214 May 20 '24
What exactly does recognize mean? Are they recognizing certain borders or a government or prime minister?
Genuinely curious what they mean when they say recognize the state.
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u/Ravingsmads May 21 '24
It means that next time israel bombs a few kids to "mow the lawn" it is recognized as an attack on a country and an act of war instead of being ignored as "business as usual".
In theory at least.
Also it makes ethnic cleansing a lot harder.
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u/nomanland21 May 21 '24
a country is not an ethnicity 🤦🏻♂️ nationality ≠ ethnicity
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u/Ravingsmads May 21 '24
If you want to debate semantics then arabs are also semitic and this is antisemitism.
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u/nomanland21 May 21 '24
yeah true maybe 600 years ago, but being an Arab now is more of a culture than an ethnicity. Israel is not a race either, however Judaism is an ethno-religion because they only bred from each other. Arabs and Muslims bred with multiple cultures and ethnicity so the argument is that sound. I’m Egyptian bro, no agenda here. Im just educating you on the words you use, so it is indeed a genocide only not “ethnic” nor“racial”. also race and ethnicity are two different things. plz keep going to school.
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u/TheGrinningSkull May 21 '24
So what is the ethnicity of Arab people if as you say they’re only Arab in culture?
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u/nomanland21 May 21 '24
well it depends on who you call Arab. Being an Arab is a cultural and linguistic identity. the Arab world is indeed heterogeneous including “ethnic” groups such as Berbers, Kurds, Assyrians, Turkmen, Bedouins, Nubians and Druze. It’s does not make it any less of a word, but im just telling you what the world actually means.
In that sense I am not actually ethnically Egyptian but I identify as an Arab cuz I share the culture and language, however I am in fact dominantly coptic (Ive done the ethnicity DNA test and heads up there’s no category for Arab ethnicity).
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u/TheGrinningSkull May 22 '24
So why is the Arabian component one of the 4 principal West Eurasian autosomal DNA components amongst the Coptic, Levantine, and Maghrebi components?
By definition, ethnicity is a group of people who identify with perceived shared attributes. It’s not just about DNA. Shared culture also forms part of that ethnicity, they’re not mutually exclusive. So if you’re saying being an Arab is not an ethnicity, what ethnicity should Arabs be saying they are?
Only in the past decade have I been seeing “Arab” added to typical forms for ethnicity which makes sense, Arabs don’t have another category when you remove this other than stating “other”.
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u/Medium_Note_9613 May 20 '24
its de facto borders are area A and B + Gaza Strip.(however, its recognized borders include Area C, which is unfortunately colonized by Israel, and the Israeli settlements exist in Area C, and PA has basically no control over them).
and Palestine is a two state reality(hamas and fatah), so it has no leader. Abbas is the leader for international purposes, but he doesn't control the Gaza Strip.
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u/pizzasrgood81 May 21 '24
Bye bye Guiness. Time to part ways with yee.
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