r/lebanon • u/Standard_Ad7704 Beiruti • 1d ago
Discussion Can we finally get electricity from Jordan and Turkey through Syria?
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u/mallydobb 1d ago
Syria has a whole slew of problems to sort out before we can see how it will impact or benefit neighboring countries like Lebanon.
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u/Standard_Ad7704 Beiruti 1d ago
It's not Syria that will give us electricity; it's Jordan and Turkey. There was a plan to do this, but it was discarded due to US sanctions on Syria.
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u/Exazbrat09 1d ago
Sanctions were auto renewed on Syria---needs time to sort itself out.
Congress Sanctions a Syrian Government That No Longer Exists
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u/Standard_Ad7704 Beiruti 1d ago
This can be thrown out anytime the US feels like it.
Just like they removed the bounty on Jolani's head.
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u/mallydobb 1d ago
I understood your post, but if there is ongoing war or disruption in Syria how easy will this be to set up? I think it’s too soon to be counting on much regarding Syria until we see how things play out. Too many variables at play still and the dust needs to settle.
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u/Steeli0s 1d ago
I really hope so can't know for sure until things get better in syria
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u/The-Mysterious- Lebanon 1d ago
Just Syria declaring christmas as a national holiday is a small step for a country but a big step for our neighbors syrians
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u/Steeli0s 1d ago
They did? Yeah it's gonna take sometime for it to become a fully functional ana capable country but it's a really good step and hopefully we will finally be surrounded by normal countries not battle fields
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u/toumwarrior Lebanon 1d ago
We can produce our own without depending on so many countries ! And make it cheaper IF certain people wouldn't get a 51% cut of it . Also it doesn't even cost that much to build new and efficient gas turbines . https://gasturbineworld.com/capital-costs/
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u/Exazbrat09 1d ago
It costs us 3 to 4x to produce our own electricity than to get it from Jordan, Egypt or Turkey. They haven't updated the power plants here since the beginning of the FIRST Assad regime---what makes anyone believe they will change now??
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u/_-Kr4t0s-_ 1d ago
Bad idea. We are in a region with a lot of war. The last thing we need is to have our electricity cut off because of what some other country is going through.
In fact, going mostly Solar like we have been doing is actually super strategic.
You also forget that a large reason our government gave up on building power plants is because Israel kept bombing them. Being decentralized with Solar makes that kind of attack impossible.
But maybe that will stop now anyway, once Hizbollah is disarmed, and we can finally build something.
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u/Standard_Ad7704 Beiruti 1d ago
Systemic solar can be an option.
Private decentralised model is not a sustainable solution for everyone. There's a reason electricity is a public good.
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u/_-Kr4t0s-_ 1d ago
I’d still rather see us build something than become reliant on another country. It’s a risk and an expense we don’t need. Especially since we have a chance to get access to that oil offshore once this war is over. Might as well put it to use.
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u/Throwaways139 1d ago
Mish serna mostly solar? yalla shway w 5alas ma mn3uz 7ada
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u/Standard_Ad7704 Beiruti 1d ago
In main cities, solar is impossible. Especially Beirut, we don't have enough space for a city's electricity needs.
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u/StuffAndThingsK 1d ago
Well If the government stays screwed for the long term solar generation is an option. Also you should pray for a perovskite solar cell breakthrough. Cheaper to make as well as greater solar yield which can reach 45% double layered.
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u/skeptic_pat 18h ago
I don’t think that’s the best idea. I think with all the small scale PV and diesel generators, we have more installed capacity than demand, the problem is that these are split between multiple micro-grids.
We just need to structure the energy market and bring all these micro-grids into one single grid and allow for private sector generation to be sold on an electricity market.
We should even go further and think about the potential electrical needs of a developing Syria. This can be a great opportunity for Lebanon to sell our excess energy (during peek solar production) to Syria.
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u/Standard_Ad7704 Beiruti 15h ago
Ma el mshkle, with all these great ideas is that they could've been implemented anytime during the last 5 years, but the government did jack shit.
What makes you confident they will do something now? Also I think demand is suppressed due to very high prices. When I pay 45 cents per kilowatt, I will make sure to reduce my usage compared to when I am in the UAE, where its like 3 cents
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u/skeptic_pat 13h ago
Yeah, I know, I have 0 exceptions from our government. I’m just saying what we should be doing! The price can be drastically reduced once the market is opened because of the cheap production of the PV!
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u/FresketBasket 1d ago
we just need to privatize the electricity market, and in order to do this you need guaranteed security.
Electricity of Zahle was an example of a private electricity company, yet the guy running it was almost killed about two times, probably by generator owners. This isn't uncommon anywhere in the world (taxi drivers were REALLY unhappy when uber/lyft took over new york) and that's why there is a government to protect private interests. This is also one of the reasons why abrupt privatisation can't work immediately. Mafias aren't only ran in the government.
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u/skeptic_pat 18h ago
EDZ is still a monopoly, I don’t think it can be considered an example of a privatized market. A privatized market is when any individual is allowed to sell their excess energy (from PV or diesel generators) to the grid.
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u/KisE5etPawPatrol Crazy Frog's Penis 8h ago
That isn't privatization, it's net metering which is allowed in Lebanon. Idk if it's practiced though
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u/skeptic_pat 5h ago
Yes, net metering can be one of the schemes, however, with net metering, the selling and buying prices (from the consumer’s perspective) is the same. Which means that in practice you just need to subtract the kWh generated from the kWh consumed. The problem with net metering is that the grid/infrastructure maintenance costs is not taken into account. Net metering is used as an incentive for people to invest in renewable energies. The better solution is when you have a feed-in-tariff where the selling price is fixed and is lower than the buying price.
Additionally, there are different levels of privatization. Allowing private individuals to sell energy to the grid is one level. Allowing corporations to generate electricity at a utility scale is another one.
I’m not sure about how advanced net metering is in Lebanon, last I checked, there was a law but without any decrees (مرسوم تنفيذي) so it can’t be applied. That was a long time ago though…
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u/mr_j936 1d ago
Betrou7 el kahraba in wire resistance over a long distance like that. Buying from Syria maybe. Or eza woslet el mas5ara that Jordan builds a power plant on its border just for us.
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u/skeptic_pat 18h ago
Energy trading across borders is very common. In practice, it doesn’t matter where the electricity you are using was generated. What matters is the net flow of electricity at the Lebanon/Syria, Syria/Jordan and Syria/Turkey borders.
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u/KisE5etPawPatrol Crazy Frog's Penis 8h ago
Man middle east kila ad kis l 32rabe, ma t2elle it's technically impossible
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u/All-in20 1d ago
Can we finally work to generate our own electricity and stop these mafia run diesel generators? Will we finally see them stopped ?? That would be the real huge win to show people that the country is changing. Otherwise it’s same shit different decade.