r/indonesia 22h ago

Current Affair Indonesia sampai saat ini masih melabeli HTS, yang sekarang memimpin suriah, sebagai teroris

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u/farhanw 22h ago

Al Nusra emang afiliasi sama Al-Qaeda kan ya, jadi wajar dianggap teroris. Tapi dia ga satu frekuensi sama ISIS.

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/al_nusrah_front.html

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u/Mare_Sundaica War (Crimes) and Geopolitics Enjoyer 17h ago

Udah lepas. HTS itu gabungan dari banyak faksi anti-Assad, salah satu pelopor utamanya itu Al-Nusra. Mereka masih kerja sama dengan Al-Qaeda tapi hubungan mereka bukan atasan-bawahan. Mereka juga dapet bantuan tentara dan pelatihan dari Taliban.

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u/YukkuriOniisan Veritatem dicere officium est... si forte sciam 21h ago

In case people forgot:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/12/1158126

Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS), an armed group designated as a terrorist organization by the UN Security Council, has emerged as the dominant force in Syria, following the fall of the Bashar al-Assad regime.

https://main.un.org/securitycouncil/en/content/un-sc-consolidated-list

QDe.137 Name: AL-NUSRAH FRONT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE LEVANT

Name (original script): جبهة النصرة لأهل الشام A.k.a.: a) Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) (هيئة تحرير الشام (original script); Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham; Hay’et Tahrir al-Sham; Hayat Tahrir al-Sham; Assembly for the Liberation of Syria; Assembly for the Liberation of the Levant; Liberation of al-Sham Commission; Liberation of the Levant Organisation Tahrir al-Sham; Tahrir al-Sham Hay’at) b) جبهة النصرة (the Victory Front; Jabhat al-Nusrah; Jabhet al-Nusra; Al-Nusrah Front; Al-Nusra Front) c) جبهة فتح الشام (Jabhat Fath al Sham; Jabhat Fath al-Sham; Jabhat Fatah al-Sham; Jabhat Fateh Al-Sham; Fatah al-Sham Front; Fateh al-Sham Front) d) Conquest of the Levant Front e) The Front for the Liberation of al Sham f) Front for the Conquest of Syria/the Levant g) Front for the Liberation of the Levant h) Front for the Conquest of Syria i) شبكة أنصار المجاهدين (Ansar al-Mujahideen Network - sub-unit name) j) مجاهدو الشام في ساحات الجهاد (Levantine Mujahideen on the Battlefields of Jihad - sub-unit name)

F.k.a.: na

Address: a) Syrian Arab Republic (Operates in) b) Iraq (Support network)

Listed on: 14 May 2014 ( amended on 7 Jun. 2017, 5 Jun. 2018, 15 Nov. 2021 )

Other information: Associated with Al-Qaida (QDe.004). Brought Syrian and foreign Al-Qaida in Iraq (QDe.115) and Asbat al-Ansar (QDe.007) fighters, along with other foreign Al-Qaida operatives, to join local elements in Syrian Arab Republic to carry out terrorist and guerrilla operations there. Previously associated with the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), listed as Al-Qaida in Iraq (QDe.115), and its leader Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al-Samarrai (QDi.299) but separated from that group in 2013. In Jul. 2016, Abu Mohammed Al-Jawlani (QDi.317), the leader of Al-Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant, announced the group had changed its name to Jabhat Fath al-Sham and was no longer affiliated with any external entity. Despite the announcement and attempts to distinguish itself from Al-Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant, the group remains aligned with Al-Qaida and continues to carry out terrorist operations under this new name. In January 2017, Al-Nusrah Front created Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) as a vehicle to advance its position in the Syrian insurgency and further its own goals as Al-Qaida’s affiliate in Syria. Previously listed between 30 May 2013 and 13 May 2014 as an aka of Al-Qaida in Iraq (QDe.115). Review pursuant to Security Council resolution 2368 (2017) was concluded on 15 November 2021. INTERPOL-UN Security Council Special Notice web link:https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Notices/View-UN-Notices-Individuals click here

So...... Indonesia is just parroting UN Terrorist List at this point.

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u/alezcoed Kementerian Cita Rasa Ditjen Indomie 22h ago

Who the fuck is Hubungan Tanpa Status? Why did he become a terrorist?

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u/kngm Yogyakarta 22h ago

They're the real tero

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u/mifadhil Indomie 20h ago

ya karena kelamaan digantungin tanpa status wkwkwk

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u/motoxim 18h ago

Orang jahat berasal dari orang baik yang digantungin

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u/Alternative-Act-6578 Penyuka Dommy Mommy dan Oneechan/Oneesan 5h ago

Sampai akhirnya digantung tanpa status berubah menjadi digantung ke leher sendiri

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u/Mare_Sundaica War (Crimes) and Geopolitics Enjoyer 17h ago edited 17h ago

The guy (HTS leader) was fighting for Al-Qaeda before in Iraq. His group in the past (Al-Nusra Front) also did some nasty crime before he realised 'Fuck, we won't have Islamic State if what we do is making enemies around us'. So now he is pretty much trying to be pragmatic and do more nation building work.

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u/sodeq ngetik pakai keyboard DVORAK 18h ago

It has been terrorizing muh hartsss

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u/jsuwangsa 20h ago

HTS emang sangat berbahaya jir. Ngga tau mau dibawa kemana hubungan kita. 😂

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u/Constant_Temporary61 19h ago

Apalagi jika dia terus menunda-nunda, tanpa ada ikatan cinta....

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u/Sushi_is_Built Assitant Manager Dukun Santet Ringan cabang Depok 21h ago

Status kedubes suriah di Indonesia gimana yak? udah ganti bendera dan udah menjawab kepemimpinan Al-Shara karena mereka yang mempunyai damaskus sekarang

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u/adnanssz 20h ago

udah ganti, ada yang bilang bendera suriah yang hijau emang bendera asli suriah pas merdeka. abis itu diganti oleh ayah bashar al ashad.

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u/GoodLongjumping3678 20h ago

Status teroris hilang karena udah jadi legitimate government.

Sama seperti pejuang Indonesia yang dulu dicap teroris oleh Pemerintah Belanda, sekarang jadi legitimate Government.

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u/didunianyata gw beneran didunianyata  22h ago

Jadi tujuan post ini apa? Mo anggap mereka bukan terrorist karena mrk memimpin Suriah sekarang?

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u/Ill-Party8305 21h ago

Kedubes suriah di indonesia secara de jure merupakan perwakilan pemerintahan HTS di indonesia.

So do you think indonesia is hosting terorrism platform here?

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u/Time_Fracture Hakari Hanazono enjoyer 21h ago

Bukannya kedubes Suriah masih pake bendera lama? Atau udah ganti?

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u/adnanssz 20h ago

udah ganti

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u/Ill-Party8305 15h ago

Nope, udah ganti, hence

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u/didunianyata gw beneran didunianyata  19h ago

Kalau perlu tinggal dipanggil / diusir. Justru bagus jelas siapa yg mesti di telp. Gitu saja kok repot.

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u/pzUH88 21h ago

Kalo dibilang berafiliasi dengan al qaeda ga bener jg sih. HTS kan gabungan beberapa front rebel aliran islamis. Yg berafiliasi cuma al nusra yg cuma bagian kecil dari HTS.

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u/Kangaxx_Demilich 21h ago

Hari Tanoe Soedibjo?

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u/trikora 22h ago

Jadi seperti yang kita tahu, pemerintahan Assad di suriah tumbang di awal desember kemarin. Dan kepemimpinannya diisi oleh koalisi pejuang oposisi, yang salah satu sekaligus menjadi pemimpinnya adalah HTS

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u/Old-Difference7563 21h ago

bro went from a jihadist to a moderate jihadist

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u/Kitchen_Meal_4828 21h ago edited 21h ago

Jihad Lite, The new Meta, if you can't bomb the shi out of the infidels why not fuk the shi out of them the legal or the "moderate" way...yum yum...

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u/EthanBradberry098 22h ago

Saya mendukung teroris neoliberalku 🫶🫶

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u/Toes234 21h ago

I thought al nusra cuma faction kecilnya HTS.

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u/farhanw 21h ago

HTS itu rebrandingnya Al Nusra, Al-Nusra itu terlalu melekat dengan Al-Qaeda namanya.

HTS pengen ngilangin stigma tersebut buat ngilangin efek Al-Qaeda.

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u/Cynrile 21h ago

ini bukanny yg ke afliasi ama felix siauw yah? koreksi klo salah yah

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u/Time_Fracture Hakari Hanazono enjoyer 21h ago

Felix Siauw ini seinget gue HTI bukan HTS. Beda antara HTI sama HTS.

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u/spaghettimonzta family guy connoisseur 21h ago

kalo sama HTM

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u/BreadArmpitt professional lurker 21h ago

Rp55.000,00 belum PPN

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u/Sea-Dust9876 20h ago

Hubungan Tanpa Makna ?

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u/Cynrile 21h ago

ya tuhan. thanks ud koreksi. mirip2 jir.

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u/Kitchen_Meal_4828 20h ago

Klo g slh itu HTI

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u/Cynrile 20h ago

makasih om ud koreksi. asli gw suka bingung

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u/trikora 22h ago

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u/KambingDomba 20h ago

Itu di listnya Ba'asyir masih di penjara. Kok belum diupdate?

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u/elonelon Sing penting kelakon 12h ago

jadi status kita di afgan sama suriah ini kek gimana ? kita masih anggap "pemerintah negara" atau udah resmi jadi pemerintah dan perlu pengakuan dari kawan-kawan ?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Net6579 22h ago

I don't follow, someone pls enligthen me.

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u/Ill-Party8305 21h ago

I‘ve been in HTS before, absolute heart breaking. Definitely should be put on crime list

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u/exiadf19 penyuka susu apapun sizenya 21h ago

Same. Bahagianya sedikit, sakit hatinya hampir setiap saat