Proof that it's not cities that are loud, cars are.

[u/MattJohno2]

This is one of the busiest streets in my local city, empty due to it being Christmas day morning(I work nights, hence being out at this time).

[u/TheDuckClock]

Bad example. There's no one around at all.

[u/starshiprarity]

An empty street isn't selling that very well. Obviously an empty street is quieter than cars. An empty street is quiet than one man walking

[u/TrackLabs → u/starshiprarity]

But a street is..the city. Where else are they supposed to prove this? In their own apartment?

A large, public space might be better, but the point is the same

[u/flodnak → u/TrackLabs]

Comparing a pedestrianized street to a street with motor traffic, at similar times of day, would be a more scientific comparison.

[u/starshiprarity → u/TrackLabs]

The point should be that a street filled with people is nicer than a street filled with cars. Not that a city in the dead of night is as quiet as a functionally empty suburb

[u/typausbilk → u/starshiprarity]

From experience having lived in both car-infested American and less car-infested European cities: There will be significantly more cars and more noise in a car-infested city regardless of the time of day or night. You can hear urban freeways from way too far.

[u/Urik88 → u/TrackLabs]

But a street is..the city

I mean no one claims cities are loud late at night when everyone is sleeping. If you're gonna argue against it do it on a pedestrianized street or a public park at noon or after work.

Moreover is anyone out there arguing against cities being loud because of cars? Even the most pro-car people will accept that, they will just argue noisy cars are an unavoidable necessity.

[u/TrackLabs → u/Urik88]

Moreover is anyone out there arguing against cities being loud because of cars?

Yes, a lot of people.

Even the most pro-car people will accept that

No...yea no they dont, thats the point. These people think cars are not the reason at all,and cities are loud no matter what.

Thats also why a lot of people think that Electric cars will solve noise levels, thinking the engines make the sounds, which isnt true after 30 km/h.

Most people do not realize that cities are only loud from cars.

[u/el_grort → u/TrackLabs]

I mean, a city is surely its people, not the buildings alone? Showing a Chinese ghost city would not necessarily be helpful, as you'd surely want to be looking at the living organism that is a living city and how loud and quiet it can be with different choices.

[u/ddarko96]

Terrible example lol

[u/XanderJC1]

[u/Threejaks]

Most car sound is from the tyres too. Also why do we build roads when car drivers don’t use them he he he

[u/DctrSnaps]

Its night time but your point still stands

[u/sensitive-rose1111]

you should have shown a major city in Texas vs a city like Amsterdam and how bikes, walking, and transit are much quieter

[u/REDDITSHITLORD]

I used to sleep in an abandoned bus on a vacant lot. I absolutely loved that thing!, but they put in a highway bypass right next to the lot, and the noise is just nuts. I really miss my little nest.

[u/vonBelfry]

And crows.

[u/les_Ghetteaux]

This looks like the downtown area of a city with a population of no more than 10k.

[u/evenstevens280 → u/les_Ghetteaux]

I recognise this place. It's Sheffield, UK. Population 500k

[u/les_Ghetteaux → u/evenstevens280]

European cities do seem to preserve their older architecture. It's nice. Cities that look like that in the US south usually have infrastructure that hasn't been updated since the 60s at least. That's being generous.

[u/les_Ghetteaux → u/les_Ghetteaux]

Also those trolleys be loud as hell, lol.