r/collapze • u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER • Nov 22 '24

War bad Russia fires ICBM in attack on Ukraine ... WE ARE ONE SECOND TO MIDNIGHT

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 22 '24

Not an ICBM, when you go and look, Russia fired a hypersonic intermediate-range missile, on Thursday. 

We are not one second to midnight.

 Fear mongering.

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u/GruntBlender Nov 22 '24

Given both can carry nukes, what's the practical difference in this case?

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 22 '24

Accuracy and intent of using the word ICBM, and saying we're a second to midnight.

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u/histocracy411 Nov 23 '24

By your logic, firing this missile from Asiatic Russia into Europe (which it can do) qualifies as "intercontinental" lol. You're the only one here acting hysterical in denying just how major of an escalation this is.

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 23 '24

I never said it wasn't an escalation. I never denied it. I'm certainly not hysterical. You're just more accepting of inaccuracy and lies than I am, and of blatant fear mongering using disinformation. Perhaps you're American, and have become attuned.

I took issue with the falsehood that an ICBM was used, and the 'we are at a second to midnight' bullshit, which serves Russian interests in promoting Western audiences to fear and tire of the war and affect politicians and government decisions.

An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile is a specific type of missile, regardless of where it's fired from, as the Intermediate Range Hypersonic Missile Putin launched is a specific type of missile, regardless of where it's fired from.

Don't claim my logic when you are spouting your own inaccurate conjecture without evidence.

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u/histocracy411 Nov 23 '24

Concedes the point, still pushes forward a meaningless debate that borders on semantics. This is why I never come to reddit.

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

I conceded no point. You have apparent comprehension difficulties, which would make a lot of sense.

You made up something I didn't say, through conjecture, then said I conceded when I told you I didn't say it.

Way to go. Nice try.

Are you still in high-school, or did you drop out?

Semantics are not meaningless when they make meanings untrue and are used to spread fear.

Never? Well the fuck you here for then?

If it's happening to you a lot, maybe consider yourself and your lazy arrogance to be part of the equation.

Now kindly never come back.

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 22 '24

Yes 

Exactly. 

 Not an ICBM. 

Not the same thing. 

Not a second to midnight.

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u/histocracy411 Nov 23 '24

You're clueless. The only difference between an icbm and this new missile is its range capabilities. This new missile can reach anywhere in Europe. Why use an icbm (its only difference is that it can reach anywhere on the globe) for a target in Ukraine? This new missile and an icbm are otherwise functionally the same as far as we know.

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 23 '24

So it's not an INTERCONTINENTAL ballistic missile, then.

The SINGLE way in which that name is determined.

So I can say that Russia only fired a cruise missile, then, can I?

They're functionally the same, aren't they? The only difference being speed?

Get real.

The word ICBM conjures up specific references, and imagery, that's why that word was falsely used.

Coupled with the 'ONE SECOND TO MIDNIGHT' bullshit, it's alarmist nonsense.

I am in no way clueless, I am being accurate, and calling out blatant falsehoods and fear-mongering.

If you can't see that, then you're the one that's clueless.

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u/histocracy411 Nov 23 '24

But the missile is capable of literally flying from one continent to another lol. You're the only one making the pointless argument here. The actual distinction only means anything to Americans and Australians. There is no distinction between the two for a European, lol. Why would russia waste an icbm on a target only several hundred kilometers away? No, you use the new missile that is functionally the same but cheaper while also making the same geopolitical statement.

However, clearly Russia's only mistake was assuming rubes like you would get the point they were trying to make. You're lost in reddit sauce, mate, making pointless arguments to protect your own fragile misconceptions of this rapidly deteriorating political climate.

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24

Still fucking here? This is certainly not NEVER, is it?

I see why you think that words don't matter as you use them so recklessly.

The question isn't why would Russia use an ICBM, the question is why would someone USE the word ICBM in a title, inaccurately? What purpose does using that word fulfil? Why also then lie, and say "ONE SECOND TO MIDNIGHT" which is also PURPOSEFULLY WRONG?

To sow fear.

Disinformation.

Fear-mongering.

Nothing you say addresses that, it's just waffling. Probably because you've never considered how words are used to create perspectives for audiences for specific purposes, and you don't care about the use of accurate language.

Everything you have said is beside the point, either because you want to be contrary, you want to try to be clever, or you don't understand.

Russia didn't post this nonsense, did it. They didn't say they launched an ICBM. They weren't trying to make a point saying that we're a second to midnight, we're launching nukes.

They said they launched an intermediate range hypersonic missile that cannot be countered.

THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. It cannot be countered. It's not functionally the same. It's designed to hit carriers. Now they've used one to show that they can. That's the message.

The person that said that this was an ICBM, that we're a second to midnight is using disinformation to fear-monger for clicks, and obscures the realities and the actual point.

Addressing disinformation and fearmongering tactics is not meaningless, I don't have fragile misconceptions of the rapidly deteriorating political climate, DISINFORMATION AND FEARMONGERING are a huge part of it.

You make up such wonderful imaginative things about me from pure conjecture and have no idea how stupid you sound.

Now, try not to be an haughty, arrogant, little prat, and stick to the NEVER going on reddit for me, there's a good lad.

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Nov 22 '24

r/nuclearwar

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 22 '24

MAD doctrine.

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Nov 22 '24

this assumes everyone in the game is sane..............

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 22 '24

Sure.

This whole thing is a resource grab.  Putin doesn't want to destroy those resources or the plentiful land they are in and on.

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Nov 22 '24

your "mind reading" him.

r/NPD

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 23 '24

No. I'm looking at the facts on the ground and the obvious strategy of Russian forces to secure ports and areas with large amounts of lithium, rare earth metals and productive land.

These things are not new.

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u/jeremiahthedamned DOOMER Nov 23 '24

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjltLmVv_OJAxXNMVkFHeD2FocQFnoECCAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FOleshky_Sands&usg=AOvVaw3I_m5m8ILbO6BoAyztrFZW&opi=89978449

they are fighting this war for a place that will soon be no place at all.............

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Nov 23 '24

Here we go, then.

The Kherson region is also the only region of Ukraine that is washed by several seas, including the Black and Azov seas, the man-made Kakhovsky lake, and the salty Sivash lake. 

Ports. Like I said.

Also, it has natural gas and significant reserves of non-metallic construction materials, including cement, brick, tile clay, marl, limestone, and mortar sand. It also has deposits of iodine phosphate, bauxite, and sodium chloride.

It's also very fertile.

This is not the only area that the Russians have tried or are trying to take.

Do your homework.

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u/StoopSign Twinkies Last Forever Nov 22 '24

It apparently was an intermediate range ballistic missile.

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u/histocracy411 Nov 23 '24

It can reach anywhere in Europe. They don't need to launch an icbm for that.