r/chomsky • u/endingcolonialism • 9d ago
Video Naledi Pandor: The South African liberation movement always tried to define a vision of what a freed South Africa would look like
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u/Pestus613343 9d ago
This seems silly. The Palestinians are being destroyed. Their cultural and ethnic mix is homogenous. Their political attitude is religious and conservative. The world's political left support them irrespective of major differences between the left and Palestinian attitudes.
How is diversity supposed to help them? It's not like immigrants are flocking to move to their lands. It's not like there's this one group of Palestinians that are being sidelined in favour of other Palestinians.
What Palestine needs is major states to step up and put pressure on Israel. Diversity is a concept best used in peace time for HR departments of companies or such.
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u/Cornexclamationpoint 7d ago
Diversity is needed because support from the west is needed. Regardless of what people may think about Israel, they are absolutely not going to replace a Jewish supremacist state with an Arab supremacist one. In the 90s, it was decided that the white, Afrikaans-speaking, Boer-descended population was just as South African as the Xhosa or the Zulu or any of the other black ethnic groups of the country. Nobody was any more native or belonged to South Africa more than anyone else. That was the basis of the rainbow nation ideal.
The Palestinians have simply never done this. I have yet to find a single Palestinian on the internet who claims that a Hebrew-speaking, Russian-descended Jew will be just as much an "official" Palestinian as a Muslim Arab.
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u/Pestus613343 7d ago edited 7d ago
They have ample support from the west. At least among the public.
It would go a long way to declare clearly that Jews are welcome in any future state, however that convinces useless people like myself who have no clout whatsoever. The people who matter here are power brokers who are more interested in the world as a chessboard.
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u/MorningFederal7418 8d ago
The situation the Palestinians live in is much worse than South Africa.
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u/Anton_Pannekoek 6d ago
Actually South Africa has some pretty insane poverty, but that's also the fault of our current government. Really we have no right to lecture them.
I agree the oppression is worse in Palestine, but if you see the way some people live here, it's really shocking.
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u/MorningFederal7418 6d ago
I don't doubt it, but that's not relevant to this quote, which I am not sure how this would work for the Palestinians. The Israelis don't want to live with a bunch of Arabs.
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u/Anton_Pannekoek 6d ago
Yeah the Israeli Apartheid and racial hatred is really extreme, and murderous. They have gotten away with so much, that they have grown incredibly arrogant. It's incredibly disturbing.
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u/Specialist_Welder215 6d ago
It took South Africa fifty years to end Apartheid. This is only the end of the beginning for Palestine.
What will be truly disappointing if this movement does not receive the same level of international support South Africa has received? When will we see the sports boycotts, the divestitures, and other bans and sanctions that Apartheid South Africa received?
When will we get serious about ending Israel’s de facto apartheid system?
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u/mithrandir2014 9d ago
Why not learn that by practice? As for ideals, they can base themselves on Syria/Rojava...
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u/panzaslocas 7d ago
Are we being delusional? Palestinians will never accept Jewish natives. Perhaps only the elimination of both identities would help. Or reviving the idea of a levantine/cannanite devoid of Islam and judiac influences.
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u/Yeet-Retreat1 7d ago
How did they live together before for thousands of years?
Man, Zionism is such poison.
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u/GPSsignallost 9d ago
They are a bit busy trying to stay alive. I know she is pro-Palestinian, but way to pick the wrong moment for such suggestions.
Also Palestinians have historically been inclusive as it was always a land full of immigrants and travellers, unless it was invaded by other Civilizations.