r/chomsky • u/LucidFir • Nov 26 '24
Meta Does this sub cares about the new form of censorship being rolled out across Reddit?
Using a CQS score, Reddit can assign you an arbitrary rating based upon their criteria and your history.
This means they can remove the ability of any user to comment, even if they have a long post history and high karma.
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reddit com /r/modnews/s/B84Sb9VBsH
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u/Bradley271 This message was created by an entity acting as a foreign agent Nov 26 '24
- this isn't just being rolled out now it's been a thing for at least a year.
- Reddit has always been able to "remove the ability of any user to comment, even if they have a long post history and high karma." You don't need to even do anything questionable, if an admin wants you gone in particular they can do that.
- Reddit isn't actually removing the ability of accounts to post based on their CQS. They're giving the option to moderators to filter posts based on CQS rather than karma/post count. They aren't going to make it so that any account with an arbitrarily bad CQS get locked, because that's obviously extremely stupid- this system seems crazy easy to manipulate. Is this actually really useful for mods? Probably not, because again, it looks very easy to manipulate. It's just another half-baked feature that isn't necessarily worth getting worried about but also doesn't appear very useful. IMO.
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u/LucidFir Nov 26 '24
Yeah I'm just stumped because I suddenly can't engage in a sub that I felt I engaged with in good faith. Something about my profile, probably my profanity in some subs, means I can't post in others.
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u/ryanlak1234 Nov 26 '24 edited Nov 26 '24
This does not bode well any users of this platform if that’s the case. All subject to tyranny of the algorithm, for a lack of a better word.
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u/LucidFir Nov 26 '24
Yeah. My instant assumption is that the people who post in r/chomsky and other like minded subs might find themselves suddenly unable to post in other subs that are more neutral. A very effective way to manage the allowed discourse.
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u/rzm25 Nov 26 '24
There's been posts about weird censorship issues for a few months now. Lots of people, including myself, seem to be noticing posts or editing functions not working when certain keywords are input or a post length reached. No real way to prove it is or isn't, but of course a lot of leftists and pro-Palestinian subs are noticing issues
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u/Forsaken_Beach_5756 Nov 26 '24
The tech monopolies started ramping up on suppressing people for their politics around 2016, mainly through algorithmic suppression. I mean, they bragged about it to Trump iirc. It's gotten a bit worse since then. I was not aware of this, interesting.
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u/Master_tankist Nov 26 '24
Its been this way for a while. One of the critiques of capitalism is that privately owned companies can, and often do become little fifedoms, only to be regulated by the state
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u/Ti2x_Grrr Nov 26 '24
Private companies can regulate speech..
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u/LucidFir Nov 26 '24
That isn't in debate
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u/Ti2x_Grrr Nov 26 '24
Okay, but they're using CQS to regulate speech.
How anyone feels about it is largely irrelevant. Reddit is becoming more corporate and will do as it pleases.
The only part where your feelings matter is when you decide that it's a bridge too far and you try moving to another platform.
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u/LucidFir Nov 26 '24
I agree. To that end, I posted it here as I felt it might be unknown and of interest.
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u/Ti2x_Grrr Nov 26 '24
And I get that but I felt the way it was worded begged a question that served little purpose.
As I said to someone accusing me of being an edgelord, the "feelings" aspect is largely irrelevant unless it drives action.
I don't personally care for this change in metrics-based site administration, but any administration is going to disenfranchise someone.
Reddit makes their money off of advertising. If the changes become bad enough then I take my views elsewhere by deleting my posts and comments, then moving to BlueSky.pr whatever the new hotness is.
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u/CollisionResistance 🍉 Nov 26 '24
How does it feel being an edgelord?
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u/Ti2x_Grrr Nov 26 '24
I would like to know what you consider edgy or an attempt at being edgy. You're among an accusation that I don't feel applies so I'm curious to know your reasoning.
The question was "how does this sub feel...."
Why do feelings matter when one side has no feelings? Reddit doesn't care how anyone feels unless it affects their bottom line.
As a matter of practicality I disagree with the premise of the question.
The relevant question is something along the lines of "Reddit is using arbitrary metrics to determine who can speak up. What are some things that I can do if I disagree?"
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u/CollisionResistance 🍉 Nov 26 '24
Your trite bs "private company can regulate speech". Yeah we know that. Don't be so uppity about it. Btw op didn't use the word "feel". You did.
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u/Ti2x_Grrr Nov 26 '24
My only point was that we should be more practical instead of worrying about how people care and feel and instead focus on what to do about it. If you do care and feel a certain way about this.
There's nothing edgy about practicality. You can sit here and look for reasons to be offended all you want but that was never my intent.
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u/BriefTravelBro Nov 26 '24
The harder the Deep State cracks down on people's ability to share information with one another that contradicts the official narratives, the more people will seek out the alternative narratives.
This is about 20 years too late. The source of the problem, from the point of view from the powers that be, as John Kerry articulated earlier this year at Davos, it's impossible to build consensus among the masses when people have access to information that contradicts the official narratives of the Western Empire.
As Twitter allows for freer* speech, reddit wants to become even more of a US government echo chamber.
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u/Anton_Pannekoek Nov 26 '24
Unfortunately, even though twitter allows for some slightly more freedom of speech, it's still a controlled platform and problematic in its own ways.
Censorship is taking over and it's a very disturbing trend.
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u/LucidFir Nov 26 '24
I dream of decentralised clones of all these websites being built, somehow hosted in a way that let's them exist outside of ownership and control. Maybe on a block chain?
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u/Anton_Pannekoek Nov 26 '24
Well, Mastodon was a thing, just didn't take off so much. But we are just going to have to keep fighting to be free.
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u/Frequent_Skill5723 Nov 26 '24
Reddit always had the power to zap ya, no questions asked.