r/chomsky • u/ZealousidealDoubt231 • Oct 17 '24

Video The Israeli ambassador walked out of the 149th Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) meeting in Geneva, Switzerland. Once the crowed chanted Free Free Palestine.

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u/VengefulAncient Oct 18 '24

Oh, the UN is lying alright. It's infiltrated by Hamas personnel. https://www.latintimes.com/assassinated-hamas-leader-had-un-employee-id-body-time-death-562569

By the way, have the aid groups mentioned what happened with all their aid money to Gaza?

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u/Comradesh1t4brains Oct 18 '24

So the only proof is apparently one badge on Sinwar? Do you really think Sinwar was working for the UN? Like all jokes aside you seriously believe that he was a UN employee?

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u/VengefulAncient Oct 18 '24

Working for the UN? No. Even though the bar is low, he was still too dumb for that. Using the UN as cover with full knowledge of compromised UN higher-ups? 100%. UN has become a massively corrupt organization after corrupt third world nations were allowed in it, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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u/Comradesh1t4brains Oct 18 '24

That’s a lot to take in. But one quick question, how did someone that dumb mastermind October 7 and evade capture for so long? Is Israel dumber or is there another conspiracy theory coming?

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u/VengefulAncient Oct 18 '24

One, it was masterminded for him by Iran. Except Hamas jumped the gun and instead of attacking together with Hezbollah ruined the whole plan.

Two, too much complacency at the top from people who didn't want to face reality, which is that Israel's enemies aren't going to be placated by offers of peace.

Three, despite the above, Israel quickly reorganized, called all of Sinwar's bluffs, and now he's dead and his organization is in shambles. No conspiracies here. And it's easy for one man to evade capture in a dense city full of tunnels. But as you can see, Israel still caught up with him in the end. Read up on what happened to those behind the 1972 Munich Massacre. Mossad hunted them down for the rest of their lives and killed them all. That's all that awaits those who attack Israel - a thankless death somewhere in a ditch.

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u/Comradesh1t4brains Oct 18 '24

Do you have any sources?

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u/VengefulAncient Oct 18 '24

Yes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-war.html

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-fighters-trained-in-iran-before-oct-7-attacks-e2a8dbb9

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad_assassinations_following_the_Munich_massacre

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u/Comradesh1t4brains Oct 18 '24

Ok so the very first source. The headline is Hamas tried to persuade Iran to join the attack. I don’t have a subscription so can’t read more. Doesn’t sound like Iran masterminded it though. Is there a source that is free?

Same with Wall Street Journal, can only read the headline which doesn’t say Iran masterminded it or anything about Iran masterminding it.

Munich Massacre has nothing to do with this but thanks it’s interesting for sure.

What are the Israeli peace offers you speak of?

And please just answer this one question. How do you reconcile with IDF atrocities and war crimes? Like regardless of Hamas IDF is killing a hell of a lot of civilians and they are taking that choice. They have also committed war crimes on camera. You’ve seen the video of the former Israeli soldiers talking about the rapes and tortures they did in Nakba? If you have the superior morals how do you justify that? Like honestly.

Also you didn’t answer my question about whether Palestinians in Israel can vote or are 100% equal to Jews but I’m guessing you won’t answer that. Don’t get distracted though I only want to hear your thoughts on Israeli War Crimes. Because they are undeniable

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u/VengefulAncient Oct 19 '24

I don’t have a subscription so can’t read more. Doesn’t sound like Iran masterminded it though. Is there a source that is free?

I don't either, yet it works for me. Try private browsing, or VPN, or whatever - I won't be able to tell what is paywalled on your end or what isn't. Here is part of what it says though:

Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has publicly denied that Iran had any role in the Oct. 7 attack. And American officials have described intelligence showing key Iranian leaders were caught by surprise, fueling doubts that Iran played a direct role in planning. But Hamas leaders have spoken broadly about the support they have received from regional allies, and there have been scattered and sometimes conflicting reports that Iranian and Hezbollah officials helped plan the attack and train fighters.

Same with Wall Street Journal, can only read the headline which doesn’t say Iran masterminded it or anything about Iran masterminding it.

It's in the URL lol. And in the first paragraph, which is not paywalled (or at least is visible with reader mode in your browser):

In the weeks leading up to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks on Israel, hundreds of the Palestinian Islamist militant group’s fighters received specialized combat training in Iran, according to people familiar with intelligence related to the assault.

Munich Massacre has nothing to do with this but thanks it’s interesting for sure.

You asked for sources. You didn't specify for what. Munich Massacre was part of my comment.

What are the Israeli peace offers you speak of?

How about that time Israel pulled out of Gaza 20 years ago, forcing all their citizens to leave it as well, leaving all the infrastructure behind? What did Gaza do after? That's right, it started sending suicide bombers to Israel. (That's how the fences and checkpoints came to be - which Gaza wouldn't stop complaining about, because while legitimate visitors and workers were allowed through for the most part, their terrorists were turned away.)

How do you reconcile with IDF atrocities and war crimes?

This might be utterly lost on someone like you who operates in emotional appeals instead of logic, but I will try.

You see, I believe that being in the military - any military - is generally fucking terrible for the human psyche. It goes counter to how humans are meant to live and interact. And it tends to attract the worst kind of people everywhere. Therefore, I am not surprised by any military committing war crimes. American, Australian, Russian, Ukrainian, Turkish, they've all done it to some extent. That's the unfortunate part of reality we live in.

Do I approve of it? Fuck no. Every idiot in the IDF who committed war crimes (actual war crimes, like rape and torture, not made-up ones like "you weren't supposed to attack your enemies because there would be collateral damage!") needs to be trialed and sentenced. It's in Israel's own interests. The idiots in the government covering up such things need to meet the same fate. There's no question about that.

The difference between the IDF and scum like Hamas, however, is that in case of IDF, war crimes are merely the byproduct. In case of Hamas, war crimes are their way of life. It's literally the only reason Hamas (and Hezbollah) exists and they openly say they will commit more. On the official level (as much as that is possible for a bunch of terrorists), not on the level of individual morons filming or commenting on a video. By and large, overwhelming majority of IDF troops do not commit any war crimes. By and large, every Hamas terrorist commits war crimes for a living on a daily basis and is paid to do so.

If you have the superior morals how do you justify that?

I don't have "superior morals". That's not how the world works at all.

Also you didn’t answer my question about whether Palestinians in Israel can vote or are 100% equal to Jews but I’m guessing you won’t answer that.

If they are citizens, then yes. If they are non-citizens, then no. The same as in every other country.

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u/Comradesh1t4brains Oct 19 '24 edited Oct 19 '24

I’m obviously interested in sources regarding what your are saying rather than just sources for anything in general you idiot 😅. You didn’t specify what you want sources on? Also the paragraphs you have copied and pasted say nothing about Iran masterminding it. Just that the denied it but US intelligence sources suggest otherwise? So the only proof is the same intelligence services that said there were WMD’s in Iraq. What a fool. UN wouldn’t hire you chief 🤣🤣

I’m asking about the IDF not any military. Do you condemn the IDF? There is good proof they killed Israelis on October 7. Starving Gaza is a war crime. Cutting off food and water was a war crime. Also it’s not a by product of the IDF it’s literally what they do. The Dahiya Doctrine. Depleted Uranium. White phosphorus. Killing Aid Workers. Not just a few rapes and murders. What do you say about this. Have humility for the murdered children in Palestine? Or are they not worth as much because they are all Hamas apparently? Also how does that have anything to do with the West Bank? Do you condemn Settlers and their mistreatment of Palestinians? They have not voted in Hamas so that argument doesn’t work. Just Have some humility and admit the faults of Israel and people may take you more serious. Is it not weird that the ultra right used to hate Jews but they are now your biggest ally?

I thought it would be fun to engage with a Zionist and experience the brain rot first hand. It wasn’t, your existence is depressing and makes me feel defeated. Humanity will prevail though and you will be shown to be on the wrong side of history. Hopefully you have the humility to see that the current destruction is not worth even the false Israeli narrative let alone the reality of the situation.

You are not human, you have no heart and no soul. You can take this as a win and cackle to your fellow Hasbara pedlars

From the River to the Sea

Go fuck yourself your cretinous cunt

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