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u/NoamLigotti Oct 12 '24
This is stupid. They're not mutually exclusive. If you're against the U.S. sending military aid to Israel, you should be regardless, not because it means it can't send as much aid to Americans, which it doesn't.
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u/doozle Oct 12 '24
This is America First propaganda.
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u/Anton_Pannekoek Oct 12 '24
It's not wrong, in that aiding American people seems to be a lower priority than wars.
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u/Worldly-Talk-7978 Oct 12 '24
Probably not. You can see that the cartoonist is Arab based on the signature.
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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24
Why are you spreading conservative propaganda? Yes we are sending a ton to Israel but the hurricane victims are being helped.
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 12 '24
This isn't "conservative propaganda." Oh, right, it's critical of the government currently in power, so it must be Republican because liberals literally cannot conceptualize anyone being further to the left than the current Democratic party.
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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24
It's conservative propaganda because the whole idea that the government isn't helping hurricane victims is being pushed by Trump and his lackeys
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 12 '24
It's being pushed because it's effective propaganda, and it's effective propaganda because it's true, the government is underserving disaster victims, it always has, this is a long-running criticism that has been practically unaltered since at least Hurricane Katrina. It has spanned multiple presidential nominations and is truly bipartisan.
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u/Forward-Bank8412 Oct 12 '24
As with many things, there are shades of truth to it, but all-in-all it’s deeply misleading. There’s plenty of money to help hurricane victims, regardless of the Israel situation. But one party (and only one party) has consistently blocked those efforts. NC state assembly tried to pass a bill giving hurricane victims a mere 5-day extension to the voter registration deadline, and all repubs voted no, which prevented its passage.
Please try to keep the bigger picture in mind when expressing your frustration with our funding of Israel. There’s nothing wrong with advocating on behalf of hurricane victims. In fact, it’s noble. But when it crosses over into perpetuating false repub talking points, it uses those victims as pawns in misinformation campaigns, at which point it becomes deeply disrespectful to them.
I’m probably making myself vulnerable to claims of being overly selective in my wider interpretation, but given the reality of our climate crisis, anyone who goes too far in obfuscating the culpability of those who refuse to even acknowledge the existence of the crisis is basically doing the same.
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 12 '24
There isn't "plenty of money" going to hurricane victims or victims of any of the global warming induced natural disasters that have struck in the past few decades. The people who live in the affected areas were underserved before the disaster, they are underserved during the disaster and they will continue to be underserved in the years to come.
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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24
Every attempt to increase funding is tanked by Republicans. Stop both siding this when it's categorically false.
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u/gmanz33 Oct 12 '24
The comments are the only place where this is divided. The post itself indicates the American Government, which is currently predominately conservative. I agree with your points, but you're fighting for no reason in a philosophy sub which is lost to memes because it has anti-liberal moderators.
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u/AlabasterPelican Oct 12 '24
It literally isn't true. FEMA is doing it job right now. Congress is failing to reconvene for any further assistance because the GOP speaker is refusing to do so. I was in these folks shoes 4 years ago when Laura and Delta came in quick succession. FEMA came in & did their job, just as before. Our congressman and senators had zero interest in actually getting assistance to us and no one cared enough to make propaganda about it. It's GOO propaganda because they are trying to frame all of these failures as the fault of one person who is currently using the levers of government at their disposal to do what is possible.
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 12 '24
Fema is drastically under-funded, meanwhile billions go to Israel. We see where our government's priorities are. This isn't a Democrats vs. Republicans issue, this is an issue of the US once again living up to its nickname "the Great Satan."
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u/latehove Oct 16 '24
It is not despicable people like Trump and his affiliated using it as propaganda that makes it exclusively "conservative propaganda", or right or wrong, true or false, and that should be clear for everyone from every side. That's what makes the distinction between fanaticism and serenity.
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u/SeedsOfDoubt Oct 12 '24
The only who voted against fema aid were all Republicans. Including, those from Florida.
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 14 '24
It's not just about voting against aid, that's practically cosmetic when the aid itself is so miniscule, and is so far outweighed by the aid going to Israel.
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u/rustybeaumont Oct 12 '24
Conservatives are into disaster relief and defunding Israel?
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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24
Conservatives are into blaming Democrats for problems that they caused.
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u/rustybeaumont Oct 12 '24
This could be an image from hurricane michael for all I know.
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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24
And if it is it's being brought up now in response to trump's lies.
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u/rustybeaumont Oct 12 '24
It’d be easy for Dems to not get pegged with the unpopular support of Israelis. Just stop doing it. But that’s not ever happening
In the end, the sentiment that both parties care more about empire expansion than its citizens makes this meme relevant at any point, with any president
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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24
But one party is trying to help its citizens and the other is not. So if two people are doing bad things and one is doing other bad things on top of that which is worse?
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u/ShoutingIntoTheGale Oct 12 '24
It's a sight to behold for sure, the internet is grateful to see you guys all working towards one goal after disaster, sucks to think all those animals getting footrot in flooded fields right now.
It's not your fault officials are being bribed with videos from Jeff Eps island to keep supplying arms to warmongers or whatever, we all have a government we all have to deal.
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u/beardedheathen Oct 12 '24
The real danger with this shit is it's the Republicans that are blocking funding to help Americans although Republicans and Democrats are both in favor of the genocide Israel is enacting. At least the Democratic allied progressive are against it but Trump's false claims are presented as truth like this with no nuance and people assume they are correct because apparently you can just make up shit and that's what matters.
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u/ShoutingIntoTheGale Oct 12 '24
You don't gotta tell me Comrade, trillions for military yearly, still no basic national healthcare insurance for everyone, the USA is beautiful place, land of the brave home of the free, thanks for the conversational update!
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 12 '24
The "democrat allied progressives" are against it but they have no voice politically, the Democratic party has shown that it does not need to listen to them, they are useful idiots at best.
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u/ShoutingIntoTheGale Oct 12 '24
I've bet on political victories for a few countries so far my predictions have been 100% about USA and UK political leaders, I even called Our second female Prime minister over here in the blighty, four whole months before then I pressed that her "resigned" attitude would inevitably lead to old fat B'B'B'B'Boris Johnson, my inside tip for you as a human to human here, if you really want to make a change in your world, take whatever you have in your savings forget about politics and bet it all on the best odds for Americas first female president, now... Word of warning my money was already on sleepy joe but damn I got sidelined by not accounting for his senility and age. But power to you ya if you win just pay it forward, I don't deserve it this year.
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 12 '24
What even are you trying to say? I'm talking about the liberal fantasy of Democrat politicians being "moved left," not about which right wing politician you think is going to win the derby.
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u/ShoutingIntoTheGale Oct 12 '24
What are you trying to hear more like... I'm talking about doing something useful with your election this year and potentially making some money for yourself, seeing as the thing is rigged from the get go, it's all accept the person who takes the most bribes and then take em into the room with the video cassette player and the footage of JFKs assassination from the perspective of the grassy knoll, don't you know? Excuse me for asking but what age demographic are you, I don't wanna talk up or down pon no one here anyway?
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u/theyoungspliff Oct 14 '24
"Doing something useful?" If you can't get your party to quit supporting literal genocide, you can't get anything "useful" done. You've decided that the Palestinians and disaster victims at home are acceptable targets, but you somehow comprehend that to the people doing this, you are an acceptable target too.
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u/ijones559 Oct 13 '24
Not agreeing or disagreeing, but do you have proof?
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u/beardedheathen Oct 13 '24
https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene/rumor-response
It's really fucking stupid that you aren't asking for proof of Trump's lies in the first place
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u/ijones559 Oct 13 '24
I guess I should’ve been more clear. Proof that this is conservative propaganda in particular.
Do you know the author of the comic? Do you know their motives?
I’ve never said that conservatives aren’t lying about anything. You made an initial claim which you should be able to back up
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u/boofcakin171 Oct 12 '24
If you swapped that line to Ukraine this would be a right wing meme. Maybe consider that.
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u/Nalivai Oct 13 '24
US is sending to Israel bombs. Does this bot thinks US government should send bombs to Florida? I mean, I'm not sure I am totally against the idea, but still
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u/quisegosum Oct 13 '24
Also, how can the US keep spending money while having 35 trillion dollars in debt?
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u/Zippier92 Oct 13 '24
I thought that we were just helping out the poor needy Lockheed Martin share holders.
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u/AffectionateVast5755 Oct 12 '24
Because Isntrael protects Americas interests over there, what do hurricane victims do for the US.
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u/Fart-Pleaser Oct 12 '24
I don't get why they call it helping Israel, helping would be forcing them into a settlement