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u/bobbykid tankier-than-thou Jul 29 '24
Lol I get what you're saying but the carbon tax is not going to do anything to stop the cascade of climate catastrophes that we've entered. In fact I'm pretty sure that nothing short of a soviet-style war communism model, where production is deliberate and coordinated and every kilowatt hour is meticulously accounted for, can stop what has already started.
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u/BeautyDayinBC Jul 29 '24
At this point, anyone who actually cares about the future is an eco-Stalinist.
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u/knoxthegoat Jul 29 '24
Yep. The difference in position on this issue between the two parties is essentially one guy films himself blowing somebody and posts it on the internet, while the other guy publicly wags his finger at that same someone, but still blows him behind closed doors anyways. A carbon tax means nothing if there isn't a strong, simultaneous effort to move towards a different form of energy, and this is why oil companies don't care about it one way or another.
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Jul 29 '24
A report by MIT using models of different climate change strategies actually showed carbon tax to be the most effective climate change strategy (of anything we’ve tried so far).
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u/bobbykid tankier-than-thou Jul 29 '24
(of anything we’ve tried so far)
This phrase is doing so much heavy lifting in this comment that I have DOMS after reading it
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u/gravtix Jul 29 '24
We’re trying to stop it from getting worse.
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u/bobbykid tankier-than-thou Jul 29 '24
Yes and you should expect further horrific forest fires regardless, because we are too deep into the climate crisis for these squishy neoliberal strategies
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u/actuallyrarer Jul 29 '24 edited Jul 29 '24
I don't even know what this meme is trying to say here
Edit: I was just asking honestly what the meme ment. Fuck the Alberta conservatives and Daniel Smith.
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Jul 29 '24
The Alberta government is also vehemently against any environmental action (the carbon tax is barely the bare minimum, and they are still against it). Meanwhile Alberta seems to be suffering the most from the fallout of climate change, including the increase in wildfires that took out Jasper.
They are actively fighting against action that would have worked to avoid these kinds of forest fires.
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u/saltytarts Jul 29 '24
Isn't Jasper under federal jurisdiction?
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u/tokmer Jul 29 '24
Yes it is, but the article is disingenuous, yes for decades forest management has been lackluster but in the past few years theres been a new management philosophy thats done a lot of good work, including controlled burns in the direction of where the fire came from.
All of this can be found in the jasper forest management reports. Yes there had been bad management for decades but in the years leading up to this fire they adopted the practices indigenous people had been using for generations.
This may have been a too little too late situation but the situation has been escalated by climate change something the article fails to mention once.
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u/No_Author_9683 12d ago
Hey guys, im new to making subreddits. Im trying to form a particular resistance. Here is the subreddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrushPierre/s/v6ub33xHJI
This next part explains my hypothesis as to why this might be effective. You ONLY have to read rhe first part. Dont feel overwhelmed.
JOIN OUR RESISTANCE!!! SPREAD THE WORD.
This read may be a necessity for some to fully understand this idea. I don't claim to be 100% correct about everything stated. I would like this idea to be challenged and developed by this community. Beware my grammar wont be the greatest, and i suffer from pedantic speech. Someone might be able to simplify this, because it might be difficult to understand.
Overall Strategy
This will just be the persuasive portion as to make my argument as clear as i can. I have seen this challenge on a small scale elsewhere, but I want to solidify my hypothesis here. It's become more rigid in my own head. This will be the most simplified version I can possibly do so some of you who struggle to read lots, aren’t immediately turned off.
Fascism(as well as conservatism), is how Trump campaigned, – and is likely to govern as, or, reminiscent of– Functions on beliefs and anti intellectualism.
Leftist ideas typically function with the opposing movement of intellectualism, knowledge, and truth.
The cure to a maladaptive belief is knowledge and truth.
If fascism is anti-intellectual and based on beliefs, then its opposition is knowledge and truth.
If one can weaponize belief and anti-intellectualism, then the same can be said for knowledge and truth.
It can then be said based off that analysis, part of fascism and conservatisms success is weaponizing belief and anti-intellectualism.
It can also be said then, part of the path to victory is successful weaponizing truth and intellectualism in a digestible format.
So this is a war of information and propaganda. They have trapped the moderates they persuaded in a torrent of belief and anti-intellectualism. They have formed an echochamber where they rest with very little to challenge them in an organized format online. Therefore they keep feeding themselves the same information in a loop. While we do the same with knowledge and intellectualism in different secluded spaces. Therefore we must move our discussion to their places. We must powerfully and strategically counter them with propaganda. Information warfare.
Anything beyond this point is an extended long version of my hypothesis. And others can also add their own variations, corrections, etc. We need this to be as perfect as possible.
Full version of hypothesis
We are seeing a few trends globally. We see a rise in conservatism globally, and a rise in democratic backsliding globally. Democracy’s slipping closer to Autocracy.
(Source for democratic backslide) https://ourworldindata.org/less-democratic
(Source for rise in conservativism)
https://www.statista.com/chart/6852/seats-held-by-far-right-parties-in-europe/
Most people coming here probably already understand this. And there are more statistics online to show this trend.
For all this i must make a historical and theoretical analysis of current popular political ideologies.
All of North America is a liberal democracy. And liberal democracy has been the dominant political movement of modern history. I believe it’s quite centered in the present. It provides some individuality, some authority, and strong privatization of the economy.
But for this analysis to function, we must look at extremes as a way to understand what is occuring.
Authoritarian styles range on a bipolar spectrum that everyone is aware of. The left and right spectrum.
On the left we have communism, on the right we have fascism.
So why are they opposed to each other? Some will say fascism can be left or right, that debate doesn't concern this analysis, what concerns this analysis is where do opposites occur within these two movements?
The place I’m most interested in is its means to persuade.
How is it that fascism is made to be palatable? How is it that fascism is made to be widely accepted? And vice versa. How does it become successful?
Some people may see a trump supporter and scratch their heads as to how that person bought what is essentially a scam.
Communism persuades like this.
“You are the proletariat (the worker), and you have always been oppressed by a small minority of people, the plutocrats. They seek to rob you of everything that you rightfully worked to create with your own bare hands. The surplus of your labor. So they can live lavish lives, and you suffer. We can ban together, and remove the plutocrats, reorganize the government, and inhabit it to work towards a stateless classless society that functions on the economic model of communism. Communal ownership.”
Very simple. But you see, it's strongly economic. Materialism.
“you are a majority being oppressed by a small minority of people”.
I'm not here to argue in favor of this, just to state the raw idea itself for analytical purposes.
Fascism however campaigns on something completely opposite to this. If communism argues for materialism being the cause of oppression. Then, fascism argues the source of oppression is ideological. It's based in Belief and not material. And it looks something like this.
“You have had everything taken from you, you were once great, an elite group of people that lived exquisite lives of luxury. Now a group of people have taken that luxury from you! They have stolen the elite status you are entitled to! We must crush these enemy groups that are trying to take over your life, and i will bring back your luxury status, i will make us great again!”
This is fascist propaganda in a nutshell. And most people that just read that can see it's an obvious lie for many reasons. But where does it differ?
The core element of the message isn't economic. The core element is ideological. It is a belief. That is where Communism and fascism differ from my perspective. Economics dont concern fascism, thats why you could have leftist economic models incorporated into fascism, however it doesn't have to be that way.
Hitler had a combination of slavery and state controlled capitalism.
Mussolini had strict state controlled capitalism.
But communism's entire idea is to work towards building a particular economic model. Then the government withers away at the point and people are left with a stateless classes utopia. In theory. Whether that would actually ever work is up for debate. But again I'm not here for that. And it's okay if you think that would work.
Therefore in order for fascists to succeed, they must have people accept their beliefs. The core of their movement is to persuade people into believing something that is false. It isn't truthful. Therefore they must prevent the weaponization of information from the left spectrum that builds propaganda off intellectualism and truth.
And keep in mind, just because something is intellectual and true, doesn't mean it can't be weaponized to prey upon people.
Therefore truth and intellectualism propaganda that is used for the betterment of others' well being is the Greatest threat to fascists' wet dream of depraved nationalism coming to fruition.
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u/Opening_Pizza Jul 29 '24
I feel like we pay enough taxes, and I'd prefer our leaders used them for fire fighting, forest management, emergency management, over US made weapons.