r/badphilosophy Jul 20 '22

Xtreme Philosophy WIAH further comments on philosophy -moral realism is false but objectively evil things exist, darwinism is right but free love bad because darwinism, Devil is real but France is a social construct, postmodernism=marxism=false, most important modern conservative intellectuals is JP and Babylion Bee NSFW

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u/MassGaydiation Jul 20 '22

So from what I'm reading in the title, all the things that support his points are fake, all the things that are his points are real, and France and the devil are locked in some sort of conflict?

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u/EigoKaiki Jul 20 '22

Yeah basically. He actively debunks a statement (badly mind you) and later makes a point which rest on the debunked statement. And about the French thing (as far as I understood what he was saying), it is some very bad argument about human nature and history.

Basically something like:

-human psyche have bad traits (which he described as the devil somehow based on Jung LOL)

-France is a social construct( as a society or state or dunno)

-human psyche have longer history (as a state of being)

So this must mean that Devil is more real than France

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u/MassGaydiation Jul 20 '22

Ok, so, basically his argument is the devil is a social construct, but a more real one than the french one?

Like sure both are constructs, but france is a far more tangiable one

A jungian archetype is a social construct.

(also i kinda agree on france being a construct, as its only existence is based in collective agreement, all nations are, if humanity disappeared tomorrow alien visitors would have no idea what a france is, they would also have no idea what a devil is either though.

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u/EigoKaiki Jul 20 '22

"Ok, so, basically his argument is the devil is a social construct, but a more real one than the french one?"

Yes but he went on weird tangent about Communism and Spirits so I am not sure.

"Like sure both are constructs, but france is a far more tangiable one

A jungian archetype is a social construct."

But he thinks that because humanity existed before and will exist after France it makes it more real.

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u/MassGaydiation Jul 20 '22

If he took out the devil bit he would have a case, like the sentence "humans inhumanity towards each other is more tangible than a single state or government" is a lot harder to argue with.

He tried to be too clever and ended up being an idiot

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u/Paul6334 Sep 08 '22

The jury’s still out on if the devil can hurt you if you don’t believe in him, but France can definitely hurt you if you don’t believe in it.

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u/Shadow_Proof Jul 20 '22

Noticing a lot of bad philosophers bringing up Jung lately. What's up with that?

Oh wait, is it cuz JP popularized him again?

I like Jung as much as the next weirdo, but it's like people throw him in their own arguments because he is bound to have said something about literally anything it seems.

Is God real? Well, as Jung said: yeah, sure, sorta, kinda, maybe... Are faeries real? Well, Jung puts it this way: something, something, archetypes or whatever... Will my wife leave me? You aren't imagining actively enough. If you did, you would know that your wife is actually a psychological construct...

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u/Agent_Blackfyre Jul 20 '22

Isn't this the dude who said he doesn't read any anthropology books after 1980 because "They don't compare cultures as they should"

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u/Ponz314 Jul 20 '22

“Hey, this anthropological study tastes weird.”

“Ah, yes, I’ve finally cleaned the racism trap a bit.”

“Aww, now all I can taste is a balanced and nuanced understanding of the human experience…”

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u/EigoKaiki Jul 20 '22

Yeah it is him.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '22

People like this youtuber are so frustratingly ignorant and pedantic. I couldn’t get past the Nazi apologia and communism killed millions lines I’ve heard before. His “critical” analysis is just talking points he’s picked up from watching History channel documentaries and other youtubers. Its exhausting thinking about how much work it would take to just provide all the proper critique needed for so much bullshit. But I’m sure he’d say this is all taking his arguments in bad faith.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '22

When history nerds "talk" about philosophy is even worse than the stemlords, fucking hell

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u/boardatwork1111 Jul 20 '22

“Okay guys, here’s my top 10 reasons why Neatchi was right and the Nazis were his ubermensch”

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u/BennyMcbenn Jul 21 '22

As a biology student who hasn’t really engaged in philosophy, what is so frustrating about stemlords?

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u/y-u-n-g-s-a-d Jul 21 '22

That they haven’t really engaged with philosophy.

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u/Wolfie2640 Jul 21 '22

mostly undergrad ones though

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u/blondo_bucok Jul 21 '22

young people are more annoying, generally, but there's incredibly annoying stemlords with doctorates.

"no i can't say nazis are bad because i don't believe in truth. Also it's offensive that you are saying that I don't have a problem with nazis! You can't do philosophy tricks on me!"

"what do you mean "philosophical research", there is no more philosophy, it's done."

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u/noactuallyitspoptart The Interesting Epistemic Difference Between Us Is I Cheated Jul 21 '22

When it comes to the stereotypical stemlord: imagine a guy comes up to you and explains that enzymes are bullshit because all energy ultimately comes from the sun

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u/BennyMcbenn Jul 22 '22

What. The. Fuck. We have chemical proof of enzymes. Wtf.

Hypothetical aside, yea I get what you guys are taking about now. The types that claim that atheism is not a philosophy. If anything, agnosticism is the most “scientific” philosophy.

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u/blondo_bucok Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 23 '22

that they completely do not understand what science is.

do some elective philosophy units btw. the more basic they sound, the better.

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u/boardatwork1111 Jul 20 '22

Jfc I actually subjected myself to the whole video, it is so so much worse than just the part of the devil being more real than France. The internal contradictions (gender spectrum bad because it’s a social construct but social constructs like religion good because reasons), blatant straw manning (all leftist arguments=white people bad), and historical hot takes so bad they’d make a high schooler cringe (Nazism was right because Darwin??). It’s just so ridiculous that it reaches the “so wrong it’s stops being wrong” territory, like every premise is just so flawed that you can’t even engage with it. Please tell me this is satire OP, I’m getting second hand embarrassment from the idea that someone recording this in earnest.

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u/EigoKaiki Jul 20 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

No this is legit. And to top it he is pretty famous youtube ""historian"" with 415K sub, who started with althistory and got into genetic,philosophy,anthropology,political analysis etc. (whatever fancies him at this point)

Oh and the guy dropped out from college (most likely Bsc) and claims to run a geopolitical firm at 22 years old.

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u/touch-of-grain Jul 21 '22

Any 22 year old can run a firm. Doesn’t mean they’ll have any clients

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u/Affliction5 Jul 22 '22

"You claim to be muh science and yet you think it's not natural to care about someone's ethnicity, interesting."

Seriously, how can anyone make a map of "genocide over the last 10,000 years" then only give one example per region? The only worse picture you can find is the "what europe has done and what europe should have done" excuse for a graph.

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u/EnterprisingAss The blind who should lead the blind Jul 21 '22

Simone de Beauvoir, famously a student of Foucault’s.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '22

France is a social construct

Not incorrect.

most important modern conservative intellectuals is JP

Also not incorrect, that's the best they have and it's not good.

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u/chidedneck Jul 21 '22

What does WIAH stand for?

Edit: Some youtube channel called What If Alt History apparently

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u/Affliction5 Jul 21 '22 edited Jul 21 '22

states twice that France truly is real despite being dependent on people's heads

quotes historian as proof, gives utter non-sequitur

proves flying spaghetti monster is real by saying he's seen traits of his values in people, and those traits are bad because the flying spaghetti monster exists in the first place

You just can't help but imagine the gif of that fat kid screaming incoherently.

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u/computo22 Jul 23 '22

God this guy is such an idiot

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u/Maximilianovich Jul 23 '22

Cope and Seethe