r/ZZZionism • u/One-Washer • Nov 04 '24
CENSORSHIP Exclusive: Prof Haim Bresheeth’s anti-genocide speech before he was arrested for ‘terrorism’
Please look at the link inside article for the speech in question. I am unable to download it, but it is all there.
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u/One-Washer Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 04 '24
Professor Haim Bresheeth was arrested Friday for his speech at a demo. This article sums everything up. His speech he did before the arrest is the last link, which is also in the same article. He was released Saturday, but remains under investigation:
- https://skwawkbox.org/2024/11/03/exclusive-prof-haim-bresheeths-anti-genocide-speech-before-he-was-arrested-for-terrorism/#comments
- https://videopress.com/embed/f268rq70
He describes himself:
I would like to tell you about my background, in order to support my request. I am an academic, author and filmmaker, an ex-Israeli Jew who has been active for over five decades as a socialist, anti-Zionist and anti-racist activist. My parents were Polish Jews, survivors of Auschwitz and other camps. They ended forced onto death marches to the Third Reich after the Auschwitz camp was vacated by the SS in Mid-January 1945. My mother was freed by the British forces in Bergen-Belsen, and my father was freed by the US forces in Mauthausen. I was born in a Displaced Persons Camp in Italy, and arrived in Israel as a baby, during June 1948, as no European country would then accept Holocaust survivors.
I served in the Israeli Army (IDF) as a junior infantry officer, and took part in two wars, in 1967 and 1973, after which I turned into a committed pacifist. I came to study in Britain in 1972, and a short while afterwards I have learnt much about Zionism which I did not while in Israel, thus becoming an ardent supporter of Palestinian rights, and an anti-Zionist activist. I was an active supporter of the Anti-Apartheid Movement as a Labour member in the 1970s and acted against racist organisations throughout my life. My films, books and articles reflect the same political views outlined here; these include a popular book on the Holocaust (Introduction to the Holocaust, with Stuart Hood, 1994, 2001 2014), among others, a BBC documentary film (State of Danger, with Jenny Morgan, BBC2, March 1988) about the first Intifada, and a forthcoming volume on the Israeli Army (An Army Like No Other, May 2020) . I have re-joined the Labour Party after decades, when Jeremy Corbyn was elected to the leadership, as I regained hope in promoting a progressive agenda for the party, after years of Blairism.
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u/TheRiccoB Nov 04 '24
ACAB. Imagine being a cop called to arrest a professor for his words and instead of refusing to do your job you just blindly follow orders. How embarrassing
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u/mattzky Nov 05 '24
This whole incident is concerning. A law used to snub out free speech is definitely a precursor to facism. Scary times.
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u/HSHallucinations Nov 05 '24
blindly following orders is like the whole point of being a cop, it's not that surprising
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u/redhotradio Nov 04 '24
Ah yes you should instead blindly trust the redditor who claims he was innocent
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Nov 04 '24
You can see it with your own eyes that he's innocent. Can you not?
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u/redhotradio Nov 04 '24
You're totally right, how dare the police arrest someone for a crime which isn't currently occurring on camera in the exact moment that they are arresting him. I didn't think of that
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Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 04 '24
The video of the speech has been linked.
Why are so many nowdays proud of their shitty opinions fruit of sheer lazyness and ignorance? The crime isn't occurring on camera because no crime was committed by this man.
Now you can spend the rest of your life playing dumb if you want. What are you gaining from it though? People used be ashamed of their ignorance, but now they go around showing it of as if it is a good value.
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u/jeremiahthedamned Nov 05 '24
proud of their stupid.........
this is a symptom of white privilege.
they are literally saying that learning and study are for lesser beings that must work and learn to earn and live.
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u/Important_Ad6176 Nov 05 '24
I watched the first two minutes and it was obvious. Dude was saying he wants an end to Israel, that he and his friends are part of the resistance, then includes hez, Hamas and the Houthis as part of the great resistance.
I think the UK frowns on supporting those who they believe are terrorists.
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u/jeremiahthedamned Nov 05 '24
britain is a monarchy and the royal family owns a quarter of the land.
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u/Important_Ad6176 Nov 05 '24
What does that have to do with his speech or getting arrested? Yes they can REALLY mess you up?
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u/jeremiahthedamned Nov 05 '24
the british thought they were free, but they will never be free.
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u/Red_Knight7 Nov 05 '24
I'm sure the people of Yemen believe that UK are terrorists from getting bombed to fuck by them.
We can accuse anyone of being terroristic. Only a handful of countries fit the description though.
Resistance isn't terrorism according to international law.
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u/Important_Ad6176 Nov 05 '24
In Yemen you would be flogged or executed for much less than a speech.
There is a list recognised by the UK.
That's subjective, but resistance is only an excuse for terrorism and they can be seperate.
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u/redhotradio Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 04 '24
Exactly.
"imagine being a cop and not refusing to do your job" is the original braindead comment.
The cops can't see that video. That's why it's retarded.
And if they did see the video, they would still just see some asshole saying Israel can never win because Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis are "the axis of resistance". In other words: supporting terrorism.
But hey, feel free to keep playing dumb and pretending that Israel are the only bad guys here. The houthis think Israel and America bad, so obviously they're cool!
Mandela was also labeled a terrorist and saved his country with nonviolence, so obviously the wannabe martyrs who specifically want to murder as many jews as possible are also actually heroes. That's just how resistance works innit? Mandela was actually kind of a bitch for betraying the murderers within his party. Doesn't he know how to resist? How evil the colonisers are?
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Nov 05 '24
Wait, what? If he's being arrested for what he said and the police don't know what he said then how do they know a crime has even been committed?
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u/redhotradio Nov 06 '24
😑
This one policeman is not "the police". Another policeman likely told him who to arrest. Therefore "the police" knows the charge, just not the policeman seen in this video. Why does one have to speak to radicals the way one speaks to 5 year olds?
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Nov 06 '24
Yeah, that's why I said "the" police. You're coming on a bit too strong with the trolling mate.
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u/Flvs9778 Nov 05 '24
Nelson Mandela was literally arrested for terrorism he was on the cia terror watch list until 2008. He blew up power lines and committed other acts of destructive resistance. To use him as an example of non violent resistance is hilarious.
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u/redhotradio Nov 05 '24
The fact that you have to deny Mandela's tactic of nonviolence is unbelievably sad.
Or are you just no longer able to differentiate between a guy who sometimes blew up power stations but specifically avoided civilian casualties because he knew it would make reconciliation impossible and groups that literally just want to wipe out as many Jews as possible? Is your brain that fried? Pathetic.
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u/Flvs9778 Nov 05 '24
Other examples the French resistance lured soldiers and civilian collaborators to alleyways or hotel rooms then killed them in the case of soldiers took their uniforms and sabotaged equipment and blew up military vehicles killing civilians in the process. The American revolutionary’s slogan was literally “join or die” with a cut up snake on it. John Brown killed cops and civilians who tried to stop him then fighting against slavery in the south. The Irish killed civilians while fighting against British colonialism. Most every democracy in Europe with the exception of the uk achieved freedom from absolute monarchy through violent revolution. Women’s suffrage in the us was only passed after massive riots. Most of South America was freed from Spanish colonialism and occupation by Simón Bolívar through violent warfare that killed many civilians. Same was true for the Spanish civil war the side fighting the fascist Franco who ruled Spain the anti fascist killed civilians during the fighting.
Also Nelson Mandela called Israel an apartheid state and that “But we know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”
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u/redhotradio Nov 06 '24
I don't know if you're able to comprehend this, but there's a difference between violent revolution that happens to have civilian casualties, and terrorism with the singular goal of murdering as many jews as possible because your religion and the terror state that sponsors you consider them the devil.
Mandela also said that he never doubted Israel's right to exist within secured borders. He also, quite famously, understood that being a violent piece of shit to your enemy, even if they're your oppressor, is not helpful towards achieving a peaceful solution.
And a peaceful solution, like it or not, is all you're gonna get. Because your fucking Hamas dreams of wiping Israel off the map isn't gonna happen. Sorry. These people have a right to their land. As even Mandela fully understood.
So you can either make things worse in the pathetic hope of inspiring the rest of the Arab world to join you in yet another war to wipe out Israel, which is what these groups are trying to do, and what they tried to do on Oct7, or you can grow the fuck up and work towards an actual solution that doesn't include raping and slaughtering innocent women.
But I guess I can't stop you from celebrating Islamists murdering hundreds of innocent people, kidnapping hundreds more, in the hopes of provoking Israel into a war, and then "sending a message with my vote" by letting Netanjahus favorite candidate win so he can be allowed to basically do whatever he wants. That's brilliant. Thank you for your help.
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u/tenderooskies Nov 04 '24
linking from below b.c your lazy ass couldn't be bothered to read or look:
Professor Haim Bresheeth was arrested Friday for his speech at a demo. This article sums everything up. His speech he did before the arrest is the last link, which is also in the same article. He was released Saturday, but remains under investigation:
- https://skwawkbox.org/2024/11/03/exclusive-prof-haim-bresheeths-anti-genocide-speech-before-he-was-arrested-for-terrorism/#comments
- https://videopress.com/embed/f268rq70
He describes himself:
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u/redhotradio Nov 04 '24
A) "imagine you're a cop and you don't refuse to do your job" - they couldn't see the video. That's why that's dumb.
B) if they did see the video, they would see him saying Israel can never win against Hezbollah Hamas and houthis because they are the axis of resistance, which tho I don't know if it's illegal, is very very obviously supportive of terror groups.
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u/Ulysses1978ii Nov 04 '24
Who is committing terrorism in the region right now? I ask you.
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u/shortnike3 Nov 05 '24
I mean technically that's true. They were committing acts of terrorism and then were beaten to their knees so naturally their activities are in decline.
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u/Crazy_Shape_4730 Nov 04 '24
Not Hamas. You're welcome.
Hezbollah and the Houthis meanwhile are continuing to indiscriminately fire rockets with the sole aim of causing terror in a misguided attempt to "unite the islamic world to finally destroy Israel". That, my dear, is called terrorism.
I assume you're trying to say that Israel are "the real terrorists" which I would have to disagree with. Invading the enclave ruled by a brutal terror group that has been firing rockets "aS a pRoTEst" for 20 years and just invaded your country with the aim of murdering innocent people is not terrorism. Even less so if that terror group literally admits that provoking a brutal war was their goal all along, and tunnel building tactics and hostage taking in a dense urban area make civilian casualties unavoidable.
Now, to be fair, maybe you could argue that in some sense their motivation for the brutality of this war and specific strikes in particular could be called terrorism as well, which might be true. Just like Putin's war in Ukraine and some strikes in particular (like strikes on hospitals, some of which happened suspiciously timed to disrupt peace talks) could be called that. And I'm against Russia. And yet still calling Putin a terrorist isn't exactly the most true statement in the world. He's a war criminal. And he's fighting a democracy. Israel is fighting terrorists.
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u/BartimaeAce Nov 05 '24
Very very obviously supportive
How on earth is it supportive? It's just him expressing his view that Israel's military strategy is never going to work to defeat its stated enemies, but only devastated civilian populations. Israeli generals have made statements saying that they don't believe they can ever defeat Hamas, are they pro-Hamas now?
I can say that 20 years of the US war on Afghanistan completely failed to defeat the Taliban. That's just a statement of fact, not an endorsement of the Taliban. Fuck the Taliban.
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u/DepressedTittty Nov 04 '24
terror groups ? And those people's freedom is gonna be brought by your sister ?
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u/Macgargan1976 Nov 05 '24
Fuck off zionist shill.
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u/redhotradio Nov 06 '24
Congrats on the trump win btw
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u/JPhanto Nov 07 '24
Your favorite party's own actions caused this, take responsability for once
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u/redhotradio Nov 09 '24
They share some blame. I might share a tiny bit of it if I approved of my parties mistakes that led to this, which you don't know. Most blame, still, goes to the morons who didn't vote because they're privileged crybabies who would let netanjahu and trump literally genocide gaza because it's easier than seeing the nuance that democrats, even if you hate them, aren't actually supporting genocide. Very sad.
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u/JPhanto Nov 09 '24
They don't support genocide yet they fund and allow it's happening with the money of the US tax payer? Do you even listen to what you are saying? How is not wanting to vote to elect a party that is gonna use that power to commit genocide an "privilege" stance? If anything you are privileged, you haven't suffered 0,1% of what the Palestinians have and yet you want to dictate that they should vote for the parties furthering their genocide, just because you are too lazy and apathetic to do anything other than show up to vote blue every 4 years! But no, we are the privileged ones! 🙄
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u/redhotradio Nov 17 '24
They don't support genocide yet they fund and allow it's happening with the money of the US tax payer?
There is no genocide. There is a brutal war, which is fundamentally supported by the US because anyone who supports the free western world thinks hamas should be destroyed, but there is no genocide. There are war crimes, but even those are not just not supported by the US, but actually the cause of a lot of tension between the governments.
How is not wanting to vote to elect a party that is gonna use that power to commit genocide an "privilege" stance?
Because you can afford to ignore the fact that your defacto choice (allowing trump to win) is far more damaging to palastinians. You don't have to care. Because there are no bombs dropping on your family. You can just sit at home and pretend that everyone's already dead or doing so badly that voting for the lesser evil isn't worth it anyway.
you want to dictate that they should vote for the parties furthering their genocide
I literally just want them to vote against netanjahus preferred candidate💀
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Nov 04 '24
So many Western governments are ruled by cowards who are beholden to their Zionist funders. There are no principles within the Western Capitalist system. These politicians are all beholden to Israeli money. Zionists have infiltrated governments around the world. Not surprised that current British legislation is taking the Neville Chamberlain approach to 21st century Naziism.
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Nov 04 '24
I dunno. I think we in the 'west' are perfectly capable of being utter cunts without Israels encouragement. Though I'm sure the bribes don't hurt. But I honestly think we'd interfere regardless due to basic geopolitics.
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u/Realistic_Yellow8494 Nov 04 '24
Tyrant country, and little proper stooge police. Your country has went to hell.
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u/spiralwin Nov 04 '24
WOW glad they’re tackling the real crime: Arresting an anti-genocide soft spoken Prof, meanwhile our country is currently BREAKING INTERNATIONAL LAW by funding weapons to a (terrorist) state proven in court to be committing numerous human rights violations (and genociding a whole indigenous people)… BUT I GUESS ITS NOT TERRORISM IF ONLY BROWN BABIES GET BOMBED RIGHT
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u/Routine_Click_4349 Nov 04 '24
WTF is wrong with these people don’t their families and friends protest against wrongful things or are they just happy complacent people
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u/Zoharic Nov 04 '24
They wouldn't be in the police if they were had morals or decency. They aren't encouraged to question, only obey.
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u/Neanderthalandproud Nov 04 '24
And that is why I prefer China to any Western country. With China you know what you can't say and the government does not pretend to worry about free speech. The UK is just a shit show of lies and pretence. Both major parties are controlled by Labour and Tory 'Friends of Israel'.
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u/SerenePerception Nov 04 '24
"You made a speech so youre under arrest" is a perfect if tragic summation of the past year.
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u/Prize-Interaction-32 Nov 04 '24
It isnt the police it is the legislators who write these laws - stop voting for people who suppress free speech
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u/Rabid_Badger Nov 04 '24
Nazism might’ve not won in 1940s but they sure are winning now and MET is aiding in that.
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u/Virtual-Permission69 Nov 04 '24
How much of an idiot cop do you have to be to really believe this man is inciting terrorism. I’m trying to understand the mindset. Are people scared to be fired for being an “antisemite” or do they belive it
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u/impactedturd Nov 05 '24
Check out this short film he made for the BBC after the first intifada.
A State of Danger, by Haim Bresheeth and Jenny Morgan, BBC (1988)
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u/Hotnevy Nov 05 '24
Oh wow hate speech laws doing exactly what they're intended to do. Crazy that some idiots want this in the US.
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u/Electronic_You8800 Nov 04 '24
Hahaha British people can’t even disagree anymore without being arrested serves your dumbasses right don’t worry tho when ww3 comes around we’ll bail you out again just like in 1 and 2
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Nov 04 '24
How's the protesting going in your country, all good?
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u/Electronic_You8800 Nov 04 '24
Nah people are mad af keep paying attention to us tho all jokes aside we both agree this is wrong what happened to this man right?
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Nov 05 '24
What rights? When I was a kid I saw police beat people up in the UK for peaceful protests. Young and old, men and women. At miners strikes, student demos, anti war marches, etc. "Freedom of speech, just watch what you say."
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u/Electronic_You8800 Nov 05 '24
Oh shit I think it’s one of those bot accounts that just comments to stir the pot either that or your brain doesn’t work lol cause that’s not a logical response to the question I asked
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Nov 05 '24
Maybe you're not human, expecting 'logical' replies. And on reddit of all places. Lol I thought it was a rhetorical question tbh which is why I replied "what rights?". Lots of people in lots of countries believe they have rights, until those rights are tested. I gave examples of why I feel that's true in the UK. But yes, I think we agree that this man's rights were trampled on.
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u/Electronic_You8800 Nov 05 '24
Yeah your brain doesn’t work I asked right? As in correct? Reading comprehension is a skill you can practice it and get better at it now think carefully I don’t wanna have to laugh at you again but I will “we can both agree what happened to this man was wrong right?” Here’s a hint I said nothing about “rights” actually noticed at the bottom you did answer it took you way way wayyyy longer than it should have
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Nov 05 '24
Calm down. Yes, I made a simple mistake. It happens to the best of us. Who knows, maybe one day even you'll make a mistake. But I'm not on the Internet continuously to reply to everyone instantly, sorry.
But the thing is, what happened to the guy was wrong because the rights he should have were abused. So it shouldn't really have been so difficult or hilarious for you to have made sense of it all. If you play that game.
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u/Electronic_You8800 Nov 05 '24
lol I don’t need rights to tell me what is right and wrong some things are simply wrong law or no law and calm down? Who was so upsetty spaghetti they couldn’t answer a simple question
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u/Vincentkk Nov 04 '24
According to MET Police, he was on “suspicion of showing support for a proscribed organisation.”, which he did, verbally, in his speech by showing support for Hamas and Hezbollah. (Please check the link to the news where there’s a short video of what he said during the speech)
However, I’m not standing on MET Police’s side either, because whether police should arrest people showing VERBAL support of a proscribed organization is still a debatable topic.
Also, standing on the opposite side of Israeli government doesn’t mean you have to stand with Hamas and other terrorist organizations.
The world is not black and white. We are just comparing whichever is darker.
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u/Fun_Lifeguard9170 Nov 04 '24 edited Nov 05 '24
As far as i can tell he didn't say that so you're spreading propaganda.
I'd like Netanyahu to apologize for his funding of Hamas. How about you focus on his apology instead of some peace activists "not nuanced enough" take while a literal genocide is happening?
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Nov 04 '24
I watched the video of his speech and others. Can you quote the parts that could be considered "showing support for a proscribed organisation"? Because I couldn't find anything.
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u/Songmorning Nov 05 '24
He did say "Israel can't beat Hamas, Hezbollah, or the united resistance", which could be construed as him showing support for Hamas and lumping it together with the resistance. I don't know if that was his intention. Maybe he could have worded it differently, and it definitely wasn't just cause for being arrested.
I do know that the Palestinian people from Gaza that I've talked to don't like Hamas and say it's just looking out for its own interests and power as a group and not protecting them from Israel. But they don't hate Hamas as much as they hate Israel, since Israel is the one actively massacring them.
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Nov 05 '24
Exactly. There was no real moral or legal justification. It's just state intimidation. Seems to be happening quite a bit at the moment.
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u/Marmots4Peace Nov 05 '24
Trying to stop a genocide is black and white. Speaking up against 76 years of brutal theft and oppression is black and white. Sorry.
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u/KnowTheTruthMatters Nov 06 '24
At this point, I think everybody showing support for Israel should be arrested. Throw away the key. Monsters beyond rehabilitation that have watched 250K innocent people get slaughtered.
Hamas are heroes.
Long live Hamas.
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