r/TrueReddit • u/UnscheduledCalendar • 6d ago
Arts, Entertainment + Misc ‘We Can Bury Anyone’: Inside a Hollywood Smear Machine Private messages detail an alleged campaign to tarnish Blake Lively after she accused Justin Baldoni of misconduct on the set of “It Ends With Us.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/21/business/media/blake-lively-justin-baldoni-it-ends-with-us.html86
u/StewartConan 6d ago
They had a meeting during filming in which Lively demanded a safe and professional working environment.
1.No more showing nude videos or images of women , including producer's wife,to IBL and/or her employees.
2.No more mention of Mr Baldoni's or Mr Heath's previous" pornography addiction" or BL's lack of pornography consumption to BL or to other crew members.
3.No more discussions to BL and/or her employees about personal experiences with sex, including as it relates to spouses or others.
4.No more mention to BL or her employees of personal times that physical consent was not given in sexual acts, as either the abuser or the abused.
5.No more descriptions of their own genitalia to BL.
6.No more jokes or disparaging comments to be made to BL and/or her employees about HR complaints Wayfarer has already received on set, or about"missing the HR meeting."
7.No more inquiries by Mr Baldoni to BL trainer without her knowledge or consent to disclose her weight.
8.No more mention by Mr Baldoni of him "speaking to" BL's dead father.
9.No more pressing by Mr Baldoni for BL to disclose her religious beliefs,or unsolicited sharing of his.
10.If BL and/or her infant is exposed to COVID again, BL must be provided with immediate notice as soon as Wayfarer or any other producers become aware of such exposure, without her needing to uncover days later herself.
11.An intimacy coordinator must be present at all times when BL is on set in scenes with Mr. Baldoni
12.No more personal, physical touching of, or sexual comments by, Mr Baldoni or Mir Heath to be tolerated by BL and/or any of her employees, as well as any female cast or crew without their express consent.
13.No more improvising of kissing. All intimate touch must be choreographed in advance with BL and an intimacy coordinator. No biting or sucking of lip without BL consent.And all intimate on camera touch and conversations must be"in character", not spoken from Mr Baldoni to BL personally.
14.BL to have a representative on set at all times and with a monitor during scenes involving nudity, sexual activity, or violence with Mr Baldoni.
15.All actors participating with BL in intimate scenes involving her being in any state of nudity or simulated nudity must be classified as active, working actors, not "friends" of the director or producers, and must be pre-approved by BL.
16.No more filming of any BL nudity without a fully-executed, SAG-compliant nudity rider in place.Any such footage already shot without this rider in place and in direct violation of SAG requirements may not be used without BL's and her legal representatives prior, written consent.
17.Any scene by BL, or another performer depicting the character of "Lily, " that involves nudity or simulated sex must be conducted strictly in accordance with the above-referenced nudity rider and must adhere to the BL-approved script.
18.An intimacy coordinator must be on set for all scenes involving nudity and/or simulated sex and must have a monitor to ensure compliance.
19.No monitors to be viewed or accessible on set, or remotely, during closed set scenes except by BL-approved essential crew and personnel.
20.No more entering, attempting to enter, interrupting , pressuring or asking BL to enter her trailer or the makeup trailer by Mr Heath or Mr Baldoni while she is nude, for any reason .
21.No more private, multi hour meetings in BL's trailer, with Mr Baldoni crying,with no outside BL appointed representative to monitor.
22.No more pressing by Mr Baldoni to sage any of BL's employees.
23.Producer Alex Saksto be given standard rights, inclusion, and authority per herj ob description and as represented to BL when signing on.
24.Sony must have an active, daily role in overseeing physical production for the remainder of the film to monitor safety for cast and crew,schedule, logistics, problem solving and creative.
25.Engagement of an experienced producer to supervise the safety of the cast and crew, schedule , logistics, problem solving and creative for the remainder of the shoot. (examples:Todd Lieberman , Elizabeth Cantillon, Miri Yoon, Lynette Howell).
26.Engagement of a BL-approved, A-list stunt double to perform Lily in scenes with Mr Baldoni involving rape and/or violence. BL to perform only close-up work or work from a BL pre-approved shot list in scenes with Mr Baldoni involving sexual violence.
27.No more adding of sex scenes, oral sex, or on camera climaxing by BL outside the scope of the script BL approved when signing onto the project.
28.No more asking or pressuring BL to cross physical picket lines.
29.No more retaliatory or abusive behavior to BL for raising concerns or requesting safeguards
30.An in-person meeting before production resumes with Mr Baldoni , Mr Heath, Ms Saks,the Sony representative, the new producer, BL, and BL's spouse Ryan Reynolds to confirm and approve a plan for implementation of the above that will be adhered to for the physical and emotional safety of BL, her employees and all the cast and crew moving forward.
full complaint here: https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/1629cc34e562e325/4410b1d9-full.pdf
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u/AlsoIHaveAGroupon 4d ago
What does #22 mean, pressing to sage employees?
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u/Best_Shelter_2867 4d ago
It means to light a bundle of sage (the herb) wave it around to cleanse a person or the room.
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u/quietuniversity357 5d ago
Can they send this list to Ryan and his team? I'm sure his male costars feel the same as Blake but are unable to speak out.
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u/Rockm_Sockm 5d ago
The whole cast stood with Blake and not the guy who couldn't stop showing people porn and touching them inappropriately but go on.
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u/StewartConan 6d ago
In case you haven't read the detailed allegations about what he did:
Baldoni repeatedly entered Lively's trailer while she was undressed or breastfeeding without her consent, repeatedly called Lively and other actresses "hot" and "sexy" while on set, claimed he talked to her dead father, asked Lively if she and her husband "climax simultaneously", urged Lively to be nude in a birth scene because "women give birth naked" and said his wife "ripped her clothes off" during birth, then hired his best friend who allegedly wasn't a SAG working actor to act in this nude scene, added multiple sex/ nude scenes that weren't in the book or initial script and told the actors "that was hot" following a sex scene, and, uh, pressed Lively to "sage" her employees.
In a car ride with Lively and her driver & assistant, Baldoni said "Did I always ask for consent? No. Did I always listen when they said no? No." when discussing his past relationships. After witnessing this incident the driver cautioned Lively to not be alone with Baldoni.
One example of how Lively was treated during filming: When Lively was filming the birth scene mostly nude with her legs on stirrup and only a small piece of fabric to cover her genitalia, Baldoni allowed Wayfarer Studios' co-chairman and billionaire backer Steve Sarowitz to visit the set without Lively's prior consent, essentially exposing Lively to this person. She was not provided anything to cover herself between takes until after multiple requests. Sarowitz later allegedly said he was prepared to spend up to $100M to destroy the lives of Lively and her family.
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u/DryServe4942 4d ago
Allegations. Let’s keep that in mind.
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u/Morethyme 4d ago
‘We can buy anyone’ is an established pattern. Allegation of misconduct plus explicit examples of said misconduct equals misconduct.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
It means she’s crazy! She won’t say what religion she is or isn’t and then gets upset when her coworker talks about his religious views
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Yah we read it..what about #9?! Soo she can’t/wont talk about what god she does or does not worship and also doesn’t want her co-works to discuss their personal beliefs/faith?! Or #16 or #17? 24 and 25 just seem like she’s tryin to dictate
did she forget she’s an actor? Shes at work?! She is paid, very very well, to do, say, wear, walk, do whatever the person in the ‘director’ chair says ‘Action’
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u/cyclist230 2d ago
How about not discuss your belief/faith unwarranted? Is it too hard for people to keep that to themselves? Unless you want me to also express how I believe the god you worship is evil.
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u/aZookeeper 6d ago
All posts about this are getting nuked left & right on the movies subreddit for some reason.
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u/cweaver 6d ago
Once people have decided to hate a female celebrity, it's nearly impossible to turn the train around.
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u/pm_me_wildflowers 5d ago
I got Amber Heard fiasco vibes immediately when all this started. The gossip sites were saying he was pissing off women on set and then just a few days later the entire internet was shitting on Blake.
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u/pre30superstar 5d ago
The firm he hired to destroy lively is the same firm Depp employed
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u/KellyJin17 5d ago
And the PR person that Amber Heard hired was a Weinstein ally and defender, and had multiple sexual harassment allegations against him. He used the same tactics Depp’s PR firm used. This is common in Hollywood across the board.
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u/pre30superstar 5d ago edited 5d ago
lol what the fuck? That was bullshit made up by Depps attorney to smear Amber Heards lawyer, not her PR people. And for what it's worth it was actually Depps PR team, the same one hired in this case, that has an ex Weinstein employee on staff, not to mention actually fucking worked for him.
Cool attempt at spouting bullshit. Google exists my guy.
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u/KellyJin17 5d ago
[On Monday, the Daily Mail published an interview with former model Hollie Doker, who revealed herself to be the author of previous anonymous social media posts alleging a negative dating experience with Shane.
Doker accused the PR guru of trying to force her into performing oral sex on him after they met on Raya, a dating app for the famous and well-heeled.
The New York Post then followed up with a report alleging that Shane attempted to get one its own female reporters to "link up with him at his hotel on the empty promise of a meeting with Heard" during her trial testimony.
According to the publication, when the reporter did not meet him at the hotel, the proposed sit-down interview with the Aquaman star fell through.](https://www.newsweek.com/why-amber-heard-spin-doctor-facing-his-own-pr-nightmare-johnny-depp-trial-1708601)
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u/pre30superstar 5d ago
And what does that have to do with Weinstein?
Also weird that it's the daily mail and the NY post, both publications that Depps PR team ( the ones that actually represented Weinstein) laundered fake stories through.
Sweet reach loser, keep trying.
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u/KellyJin17 5d ago
Ah, I see you’re not here to have an intellectually honest discussion. Never mind, have a good night.
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u/gagnonje5000 4d ago
> the PR person that Amber Heard hired was a Weinstein ally
You made that up and still have not provided any source to back this up, I do not think you are here to have an intellectual honest discussion.
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u/Best_Shelter_2867 4d ago
They also have links to the Meghan Markle smear campaign. A sister of one of the main PR people in tge messages writes continuously Anti Meghan articles.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Well she does kindof suck..she took an HRH and made him into..’one of us’ normal people?! Eww! Why?!
..and then moves into who’s Hollywood hills mansion??!
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u/obvilious 6d ago
And we’ll see a bunch of interviews with her husband talking about how down to earth they are due to their middle class upbringing, etc etc etc. Bunch of PR campaigns battling against each other.
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u/tbombs23 6d ago
Hmm. I did see some sensationalism with Ryan saying they are working class, which is kinda out of touch with reality, but I know he actually does work hard and isn't just a rich actor. Some celebrities work really hard and do some good.
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u/TatteredCarcosa 6d ago
He said they "grew up working class." Which does seem accurate. Her parents were in the entertainment industry but the vast majority of working entertainers are indeed working class.
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u/d01100100 6d ago
His father was a Canadian Mountie. His mother worked in retail.
That seems very middle class to me. And middle class can be broadly interpreted, but they're still working class. Doctors, investment bankers, and middle managers are still working class, they're just not blue collar jobs.
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u/TatteredCarcosa 6d ago
Yeah he definitely grew up working class, but I saw some people arguing she didn't because her parents had connections in the entertainment industry, which doesn't mean you are rich by any means.
Though I'd say working class and middle class aren't the same thing, the terms have gotten really muddy and inconsistently used over time. Especially in America.
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u/TyrialFrost 6d ago
Unnamed credits in movies and working as an acting coach... Her dad is a showbiz illuminati!
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u/d01100100 5d ago
Though I'd say working class and middle class aren't the same thing, the terms have gotten really muddy and inconsistently used over time. Especially in America.
I know a lot of people equate working class with only blue collar work, but I like to fall back to Marx. The working class is the proletariat. They use their labor to gain wages, and most importantly do not "own the means of production".
I feel this definition is even more important now (in the United States) when the top 0.1% have convinced the top 50% that the bottom 50% is only coming for them. And like crabs in a bucket, we fall for this narrative.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
True. I agree with everything you said, except a small edit, perhaps on ‘America’ part..cuz you know, it’s not their fault they is unsmart. they is soo unsmart and getting even more unsmart each passing day..come Jan 21st bye bye education syst..who?! do you think they know what and or who Marx is/ was? Or the unsettling deep truths he told/gave/left us?! Americans?! They can google but they won’t These are the geniuses who have turned school bang bang bang bang bang into a daily thing for them..It’s like part of their culture, like going to Starbucks, or happy hour, or going to the mall.. thoughts and prayers, but you ain’t takin my gums from me! These are the same creatures that go around saying “im such a good Christian” I am allowed to hate on the gays, the women, the blacks, the Chinese, the Muslims, the Mexicans, the poor, the sick..you know, anyone not like me?! Anyone none-white and God fearing! These are the “good Christian, Jesus really loves me the most’ who voted for the anti christ. If they can’t see #47 for the ‘saint’ he is, they won’t even ser understand what we, the world, is discussing
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u/TatteredCarcosa 5d ago
But the "middle class" is not the proletariat in Marxism, the middle class is the bourgeoisie. That's the distinction. The middle class was the merchant class that arose between aristocrat and commoner. They are the owners, the traders, not the workers.
Nowadays it's gotten somewhat scrambled since the old concept of aristocracy has changed and now our aristocracy is basically the richest of who would previously be called middle class. Also professionals like doctors and lawyers always fit in somewhat oddly since they often had money and lifestyles similar to the middle class merchants but made that money via their own labor instead of through ownership and trading.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Doctors, investment bankers..middle class? Since when?!
Clearly they are not a very good Dr nor a decent banker if they raking in less then 100k/year
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Canadians Mounties also make a very good living..enough to support a family of 4 on 1 income back in the day..even now, they can still support a family of 3.
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u/Sparticus2 6d ago
Bruh, nah. The vast majority these days seem to have parents that were or still are in the industry. It's nepobaby paradise.
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u/TatteredCarcosa 6d ago
You realize that movie stars are like a tiny fraction of working actors? Just like the musicians that make millions of dollars and achieve a nation wide fame are just a tiny portion of professional musicians.
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u/Sparticus2 6d ago
I'm really not interested in arguing semantics. It's stupid, because then it goes into minor league sports where they get paid but will still have to work second jobs to maintain a semblance of surviving. Most names that you'd recognize got where they are because of their parents.
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u/TatteredCarcosa 6d ago
Nepotism exists in all industries at most all levels. Plenty of blue collar workers get an in from a parent, uncle/aunt or cousin in the same industry.
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u/Wood_oye 6d ago
Pretty sure his comment was wtte he came from working class. And then the rumour mill did its thing
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u/Best_Shelter_2867 4d ago
The down to earth comment was made when answering a question by an interviewer. He replied that they both come from working class backgrounds. The smear campaign using this and turning it into an issue was first seen in the Dailymail. Interesting you picked this to comment on.
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u/tbombs23 6d ago
I mean, that's generally true about anyone who's well known, such as idk the FBI informant pleading guilty and admitting he lied about everything in the Biden investigation of bribes/fraud in Ukraine and the attacks on his Son Hunter. Everyone still thinks they did illegal things, no wonder he pardoned Hunter, he was maliciously targeted and attacked, and it was all fabricated. And they had a deal and then dropped it last minute and threw the whole book at him.
But yeah women specifically can be hard to turn around reputation, because let's be honest. Women are hated the most by...other women
And even if false, when "evidence" is pushed everywhere that a woman is a misandrist and hates and mistreats men, once that narrative is accepted by a bulk of men, it's very hard for them to change their mind , especially with the Internet always being flooded with noise.
It's important to hold people accountable for hating someone not based on their actions, but because of which gender they are. Misandry is growing, and misogyny is not going away, and the more misandrists, the more will be misogynists as a reactionary response and they feed off each other.
TLDR; Women are hated the most by other women. Slander is very hard to reverse for anyone. Propaganda is everywhere.
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u/egotistical_egg 6d ago
Hunter Biden is not a standard case, he had the entire right wing political machine against him, which is really not comparable to basically any celebrities
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u/bolting-hutch 6d ago
It's important to hold people accountable for hating someone not based on their actions, but for which gender they are.
That reads easily in the way that is opposite of what I think you intended.
Did you mean "it's important to hold people accountable who hate someone based solely on their gender and not based on their actions"?
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Once people have decided to hate a celebrity, it’s nearly impossible to turn the train around*
Fixed it for yah 😜
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u/Calm-Purchase-8044 6d ago edited 5d ago
r/movies is one of the most racist and sexist subs on reddit.
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u/KellyJin17 5d ago
r/movies absolutely is one of the most racist subs I had ever joined, which is why I left it 2 years ago. The two month stretch from the release of The Woman King to Wakanda Forever was quite ugly on that sub, and I haven’t looked back.
This story is on the top of everyones news feed and r/all, so it’s getting lots of comments from people who are not necessarily regular members of r/movies or the other subs that it’s posted to.
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u/aZookeeper 6d ago
I mean the article does contain this text exchange between folks at the sleazy PR firm:
“We are crushing it on Reddit,” Mr. Wallace told Ms. Nathan, according to a text she sent Ms. Abel on Aug. 9
Soooo, maybe?
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u/Best_Shelter_2867 4d ago
There is a team working the new Amber Heard threads as I type. My source is Management level employee in a UK tabloid. Their brief is to kill the Amber connection as they are directly involved in the campaign. A huge astroturfing campaign was started yesterday. The major point they have been told to highlight is the "They are both as bad as each other" with references to her telling lies in court. Now go check how many comments are like this.
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u/micharala 6d ago edited 5d ago
Let the record reflect, that’s Jed Avery Wallace of Street Relations, Inc, based in Northridge, CA.
He somehow got his full name obscured even in the NY Times article, and tries to keep himself invisible; he has deleted his LinkedIn, and I wouldn't be surprised if he creates a new shell corp now that this one is tainted.
He seems to have a team using Reddit for PR campaigns.
Everyone say “Hi, Jed Wallace”!
Edit: It’s 8 am in Northridge and looks like they just woke up. This was at +10, and now it’s suddenly negative. Let the downvotes flow!
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u/bureaucatnap 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yep, it happened to me as well when I mentioned his name.
Hi Jed Wallace of of Street Relations Inc. 👋
Edit: also really weird is when I reach "Jed Avery Wallace" in reddit, zero comments show up. But the above comment clearly includes this exact wording.
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u/Kalepopsicle 3d ago
Wow, Jed Avery Wallace sounds like such a trash person! That’s Jed Avery Wallace—Jed Avery Wallace of Street Relations Inc
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u/benigntugboat 6d ago
The mods of every major subreddit have been bought for awhile. There are a few mods that you'll see across most of the major ones who mod multiple of the largest eith the only common theme being how influential the subs are.
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u/aridcool 6d ago edited 6d ago
The mods of every major subreddit have been bought for awhile.
I don't believe that.
There are a few mods that you'll see across most of the major ones who mod multiple of the largest eith the only common theme being how influential the subs are.
Yeah. That I believe. I don't think they are "bought". I think they are power hungry. Yknow. Basically people.
There are probably reasons that posts about this are being deleted on that sub. They are primarily about movies probably this is itself a piece of gossip.
Edit: And now the story is on the front page of that sub. But let me guess, that just confirms your theory even more somehow.
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u/aZookeeper 5d ago
Not that I believe in any big conspiracy, but the article that was allowed to stay up on r/movies is a watered down version that removes all the names of the PR people involved, like Melissa Nathan who was quoted as saying she could "bury anyone" and implemented “full social account take downs,” to change the narrative, and Jed Wallace who was responsible for the "crushing it on Reddit" quote.
So I wouldn't blame anyone for being a little suspicious.
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u/Exotemporal 6d ago
Calling out astroturfing seems like a major no-no. My decade-old account was just banned from /r/news for this highly upvoted comment. It definitely didn't help ease my suspicion that some of the mods are bought and paid for.
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u/GREG_FABBOTT 6d ago
I was banned yesterday in /r/technology for calling out astroturfing power user accounts. Check my comment history to see the comment itself.
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u/Exotemporal 6d ago
I just read the comment in question. What an insane overreaction too, your comment was perfectly reasonable. These mods are just awful.
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u/Khiva 6d ago
Decade plus too, also banned. No idea why it was but they seem to really come down hard on anyone suggesting that other subreddits are being manipulated, either by mods or outside actors. The most generous take is that they're curtailing brigading. There are many other takes.
Just a guess, because I've seen comments like that stand and when asked what rule was broken all I got was "we don't read the rules for you troll" and blocked.
Still have no idea. I mean I'd have been a good lad, apologized and steered clear if they'd just explained but ... nope, still no idea.
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u/SangersSequence 6d ago
It would not shock me to learn that these mods are being paid by PR firms to manipulate Reddit content. The amount of blatant moderator misconduct I've seen in my time on Reddit, particularly from the so-called "power mods", is absolutely disgusting.
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u/aridcool 6d ago
Calling out astroturfing seems like a major no-no.
As it should be. Good faith discourse starts with assuming the innocence of the other party. Otherwise you get echo chambers where you assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you is astroturfing.
banned from /r/news
I'm shocked SHOCKED that the mods on that sub actually did their job right for once.
Also, here's a quick world history lesson. For thousands of years the Jewish people have experienced bigotry and antisemitism from pretty much every country they were present in, and then countries adjacent to those or where there were people who talked to others in those countries. Hitler's horrific hatred had sympathizers everywhere. When these countries now close embassies or support some world organization decrying their policies, and people say "See? See how many countries think the policies of the Jewish homeland are bad? We must be in the right!" you can see that same antisemitism being legitimized.
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u/cutty2k 6d ago
Otoh, the causal factor behind the subject of your screed just might be the 1 year+ of horrific war crimes committed by Israel.
Just a thought.
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u/aridcool 6d ago
Funny how the world suddenly cares so much about war crimes now and doesn't hold other nations to the same standards. Israel gets all the focus. We know why.
But hey, if the refugees moved out of the occupied territories and groups stopped attacking Israelis, your so called war crimes would stop. Of course, Hamas would have to cease stopping people from leaving. And of course most people there fully support Hamas and their stated goal of pushing the Jews into the sea.
All war is a crime. Don't start wars. If you do and live in occupied lands and your population explodes that's not the fault of the people who didn't start the war in the first place.
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u/UnscheduledCalendar 6d ago
Submission statement:
Blake Lively accused Justin Baldoni and Jamey Heath of misconduct on the set of “It Ends With Us,” leading to a crisis public relations campaign. The campaign, orchestrated by Melissa Nathan, aimed to damage Lively’s reputation while protecting Baldoni and Heath. The effort resulted in a significant reputational hit for Lively, with negative media coverage and online commentary skyrocketing after the film’s release.
Paywall: https://archive.ph/fCFDn
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u/Jaded-Ad-960 6d ago
And all the self-righteous gossip mongers joined in on the slander.
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u/lazydictionary 6d ago
All the celeb gossip subs are disgusting. Like they say some evil shit and behave like evil shits.
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u/Jaded-Ad-960 6d ago
Lol, I got immediately permabanned in one for telling them they were horrible people.
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u/tbombs23 6d ago
I bet I would be permabanned for being to level headed and nice
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u/IbexOutgrabe 6d ago
They don’t handle logic well, toss in decency and they might explode.
Have fun!
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
and, sorry, who are you to tell others if they is or isn’t ’a horrible human being’? Are you god?!
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u/fart-sparkles 6d ago
This entire comment is nonsense.
Seriously, get off the internet and go talk to people.
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u/aridcool 6d ago
Isn't this also self-righteous gossip mongering? Maybe we should stop talking about people we haven't met at all.
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u/Jaded-Ad-960 6d ago
How is gossip mongering and pointing out that people are gossip mongering the same thing?
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u/aridcool 6d ago
There is pointing out that people are gossip mongering in general and then there is getting into the weeds of a particular story because you think one side is in the right and the other side manipulated things.
I've never heard of Baldoni. Nor have I ever heard anything bad about Blake Lively. I am hearing about this story now though. NYT is pretty reputable and it would be tough to fake a story like this but it does seem like the person with more money and power is now seen as the righteous party. All of this leads me to conclude...we talk too much about celebrities and gossip too much about them.
Meanwhile someone is out there freezing to death tonight. But the women come and go, talking of Michelangelo. Look it up.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
PREACH! Yes! Thank you sir/miss for bring some insight in common sense into the conversation❤️
We (society) focus/bicker/discuss/argue over some dumb shit some celebrity/sports team/current pop culture event is happing while Big Brother is over there saying how they’re gona “close down the border and drill baby drill” Day 1…umm if the border is closed, no one comes in, then I’m assuming no one gets out?! Unless “we” want you out cuz your not the right color and let’s say Jesus
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u/Kubrickwon 6d ago
Interesting that the person to claim “we can bury anyone” represented Johnny Depp.
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u/_kraftdinner 6d ago
The harassment campaign run against Amber Heard was enormous. So much so people all over the internet think that she is the devil, when she’s just an imperfect human who was in an abusive relationship with an alcoholic. The things that were said about her was nauseating to me. There’s a whole podcast about it from Tortoise Media…I think it’s called “Who Trolled Amber.”
The article that Johnny sued Amber over did not reference him at all, she didn’t even say she was abused. The words she used were like “someone who people in America associate with abuse.” He filed the lawsuit in a jurisdiction that televised cases on purpose, after already being found liable in England for his abusive behavior. I honestly see a shit ton of similarities between Blake’s lawsuit and what happened to Amber.
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u/Khiva 6d ago
There’s a whole podcast about it from Tortoise Media…I think it’s called “Who Trolled Amber.”
That's it, and it's fascinating.
Definitely did not expect that Saudis to show up. What a rabbit hole.
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u/_kraftdinner 6d ago
Yes! So fascinating that I think I’m gonna give it a good listen again. I have really limited my media consumption lately so I know none of the details, but I saw some other comments about Johnny and I think he’s in Saudi Arabia right now. I hope some day Amber’s reputation gets reassessed by the GP, Johnny is truly the worst.
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u/HoneybeeXYZ 5d ago
Same PR firm. Same flack. Same youtubers and tiktokers working with the flack to slander her clients' enemies.
Our media ecosystem is broken and corrupt.
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u/Kubrickwon 6d ago
Reading the op article, and more about this, it seems Melissa Nathan engages in the same kind of social hacking methods used by QAnon and #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaigns. Lots of troll/click farmers & bots to astroturf while bullying anyone on social media who doesn’t play ball with the message.
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u/_kraftdinner 6d ago
I hope that this lawsuit helps us see this kind of campaign for what it is and that we learn more about how they orchestrate them. I’m lowkey a nosy bitch with a hobby of reading court cases for fun so I can’t wait to learn more…lol. You couldn’t pay me any amount of money to do the kind of work that Melissa Nathan does.
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u/skysinsane 6d ago
I only think she's awful because I watched her take the stand and fake cry as she recounted contradictory stories whose timelnes she had to be corrected on several times because they made no fucking sense.
If she had kept herself from taking the stand, she probably would have won the case. But shes a narcissist who couldn't resist the limelight, and so she doomed herself.
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u/-whiteroom- 6d ago
It's happening today, there was a bot created today who put about 100 posts in Askcanada, just that sub, who then just flipped and put like another 100 posts just to bashing Blake.
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u/nondescriptzombie 6d ago
I thought this hate train towards Blake Lively after this movie was weird, as was how obviously Blake was trying to put this entire situation behind her during the "promos" she did.
They're even trying to get people to hate Ryan Reynolds.
Like, you either already hate Ryan Reynolds, or you're never going to hate Ryan Reynolds.
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u/KellyJin17 6d ago
I watched this play out live on Reddit. It was so blatantly obvious that it was PR media manipulation at the time, but the feeding frenzy had begun and no one here wanted to hear about how this looked quite orchestrated, nor did they care. Lively is one of those celebrities, much like Gwyneth Paltrow and some others, that some people really, really want to hear negative stories about. Those type of gossip followers don’t need much of prompt to go off, and they amplify every negative story pushed by PR teams, which then get picked up as “known” by laypeople.
It happens often here and only a small few ever seem to recognize it when it’s underway. I don’t feel like the Reddit masses will learn from this instance either.
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u/jamie1983 4d ago
Yeah I was so confused, I actually googled “why do people hate Blake Lively”, it seemed so sudden and not proportionate to one bad interview. I just assumed she was overexposed as well as her husband, but now it’s so blatantly obvious.
I wonder how many ai bots are on here? I posted something once and kept getting the same almost identically worded response randomly for several months. It felt like ai was being trained or something.
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u/StewartConan 6d ago
Wow!
My apologies, Blake. We were severely misled about the truth of the situation.
Based on the information we had at the time, we thought Blake was being difficult and spoilt. But, it turns out it was all public manipulation by this Justin guy.
I hope BL wins this suit. This Justin fellow is a pig. Too bad he won't serve jail time for his actions.
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u/RuprectGern 5d ago
Well. shouldnt you consider why you even took a side or care if she is being "difficult"? She's an actress in movies and tv. at what point do we have any ownership into her life or any of their lives or how does that even actually affect you?
The way you write this suggests that you were some deciding entity, weighing the "truth of the situation". it really sounds ridiculous.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Why do you think it’s just PR on his side manipulating things?! You think her hands are clean?
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u/HoneybeeXYZ 5d ago
This is just the tip of the iceberg. It's going to come out that many seemingly organic "cancel" campaigns against actors, influencers, politicians, products and even film and tv shows were anything but. Follow the money to their rivals and enemies and you'll find the smear machine.
And we've all fallen for it in one capacity or another.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Yah it’s called the media lies! News, show, movies..all lies!! What next?! Don’t tell me wrestling/WWF is also fake news
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u/bluebottled 6d ago
Seriously.
Ms. Nathan wrote to Ms. Abel: “And socials are really really ramping up. In his favour, she must be furious. It’s actually sad because it just shows you have people really want to hate on women.”
Yeah so sad, she says while pouring gas on the fire.
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u/Rich-Account-7863 6d ago
Apparently Reddit is under the impression that their “crushing on Reddit” was because of misogyny and Reddit is full to the brim of incels who debate things like the appropriateness of mentioned baby bumps and what CW B list actors are “mean girls”.
r/twochromosomes reads like ChatGPT refusing to become self aware lol 🤣
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u/NoTimeForInfinity 5d ago
This is just egos and money at stake.
America should remember this when whistleblowers suddenly end up dead or have charges "emerge". Journalists may start getting this treatment in the next 4 years.
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u/DLoIsHere 5d ago
YouTube true crime channels are reviewing the document in detail. Check out Lawyer You Know. There are others coming I’m sure.
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u/louiselyn 6d ago
Just shows how much power the Hollywood machine has. They'll do whatever it takes to bury anyone who speaks out
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u/dinosaurkiller 6d ago
“We can bury ANYONE!”, Lady Deadpool would like a word, amateur.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
Yahh that’s why she’s gone! She sucked in Gossip Girl (Dan was GG like wtf is that?!) and she still sucks at whatever she’s in today
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u/series_hybrid 5d ago
Her husband is Ryan Reynolds...they have their work cut out for them. They are both well-liked.
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
So was Ellen..and Diddy.. Look at them now
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u/series_hybrid 3d ago
I think disgruntled "Karen" employees tried to blackmail Ellen, and I don't recall ever liking Diddy.
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u/Sp1ormf 4d ago
It's a crazy thing for a man of such a platform to do. Literally career suicide. I believe her, but damn dude, what a fucking dumb move.
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u/MsMerdaccino 4d ago
All comments on instagram in favour of Baldoni are from PR bots accounts, check it out
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u/mundanexistence808 2d ago
Read the NY Times article and then this. Gosh the lengths they're making to initiate a demolition job against BL.
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u/SunMoonTruth 6d ago
So if someone understands the themes of this movie and comes across you in public and they want to really talk to you, what’s the best way for them to be able to talk to you about this? How would you recommend they go about it?”
To this, Blake Lively responded, “Maybe asking for, like, my address, or my phone number. Or, like, location share?! I could just location-share you and then we could…” Ending her statement with a chuckle, the actress added, “I’m a Virgo. So I’m like, ‘Are we talking logistics,’ ‘Are we talking emotionally.'”
So this was the PR campaign and not her who said this?
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u/montanawana 6d ago
She can be tone deaf and even a not-so-great person but she still doesn't deserve to be sexually harassed at work. I am tired of the narrative that a victim must be a perfect person (of any gender).
"She detailed her complaints during a meeting with Mr. Baldoni, Mr. Heath and other producers in January, according to the legal filing. She claimed Mr. Baldoni had improvised unwanted kissing and discussed his sex life, including encounters in which he said he may not have received consent. Mr. Heath had shown her a video of his wife naked, she said, and he had watched Ms. Lively in her trailer when she was topless and having body makeup removed, despite her asking him to look away. She said that both men repeatedly entered her makeup trailer uninvited while she was undressed, including when she was breastfeeding."
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u/SunMoonTruth 6d ago
Yes I agree.
She doesn’t need to be perfect for it to be wrong that there’s a smear campaign. 100% agree with you.
I think my point is that they’re really not having to invent much to “smear” her. What “reputation” does she have that is contrary to what she’s already known for?
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u/Mind_Extract 6d ago
Well, the exact cherry-picked snippet that you just pulled yourself serves as an example.
She didn't have the reputation as whatever you were casting her as—"a ditz?" "Out of touch?" Whatever you were going for.
And now she does, and you're playing a role in furthering it.
The PR firm isn't even needed so long as you're its readership.
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u/SunMoonTruth 6d ago
Yeah I didn’t like her before this movie and the “smear campaign”.
The whole … hehehe … did we get married at a slaver’s plantation? Who knew?! Hahahaha!!!
So sorry.
No she doesn’t deserve to be sexually harassed if that is what happened. No there’s nothing good about someone ordering a campaign against someone for standing up for themselves against said harassment.
But as far as her “reputation” goes, it was already shit before the campaign for anyone paying attention.
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u/lamemoons 6d ago
In the court documents blake was told not to talk about dv when promoting this film, she was instructed to not discuss the sad themes and speak more positively about her character's growth, she literally had no choice in the matter
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u/Rich-Account-7863 6d ago
“Two things can be true” - i.e. your hot incoming takes are generally misinformed and this is how you justify constantly being wrong without admitting it.
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u/Livid-Abrocoma4765 6d ago
Are you seriously trying to compare being a little tone deaf to sexually harassing a woman and trying to ruin her career? Being annoying and a bit of a dick isn't a fucking crime you insensitive dingleberry. Look in the mirror before you try talking shit like you're all high and mighty.
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u/SunMoonTruth 6d ago
…being a little tone deaf…” to domestic violence…
…being a little tone deaf…to the history of slavery…
Mmmkay.
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u/Livid-Abrocoma4765 6d ago
And? She's not a saint but that doesn't mean she deserves men abusing their power over her on set. I'm not going to mount a defense of everything she's done, but her worst crime is being a dick. The boy you're dick riding is a potential sex offender.
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u/SunMoonTruth 6d ago
Ffs. I think she’s a big dick. I don’t know or could give a rats ass about balding. If they are typical Hollywood predators they deserve everything coming to them.
Fuck. I thought this was r/true Reddit not r/idlikeliveupblakesass
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u/Livid-Abrocoma4765 6d ago
Okay and? Your immediate response to hearing that she was the victim of a targeted smear campaign where a pr firm went through her entire career to find her worst moments (which really don't add up to more than being an out of touch celebrity who can get rude at moments) to trash any credibility they had because they knew a sexual harrassment suit was coming as their boy had already agreed in mediation to rules to stop sexually harassing her was to just spread more that smear campaign. It really doesn't matter that she fucked up talking about the themes of her movie in the grand scheme of things because even if we take the least forgiving most face value take, being ignorant and self absorbed isn't a crime. What she went through was.
People aren't frustrated with you because you don't like her. I doubt there are that many people that suddenly love her who are defending her, because believe it or not, you can defend someone you find annoying as all fuck when they've been done wrong. People are frustrated with you because you're so focused in on your dislike of this woman, you're parroting around her abusers' smear campaign without even mentioning why this shit got pushed so hard to keep it in the public eye. You are being the person on reddit they are laughing about because it's painfully easy to make you absolutely hate a women.
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u/astaristorn 5d ago
So Blake wasn’t a mean girl after all?
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u/Time_Lock1637 5d ago
Lmaooo she most likely was which is why it was so easy to get a negative PR stint against her, but it doesn’t mean she was entirely in the wrong here
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u/latinobbottom 3d ago
‘Negative PR stint’ or ‘truth telling PR sting’?!
“She most likely was which is..” so by your own words you know/knew she was a ‘mean girl’ buts it’s ok cuz it’s just BL and she can say whatever she wants
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u/nyet-marionetka 2d ago
Who cares if she’s a mean girl or not? Still not ok to sexually harass her and other women she works with.
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u/astaristorn 2d ago
Bullying doesn’t excuse harassment and harassment doesn’t excuse bullying.
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u/nyet-marionetka 2d ago
You think Lively was bullying this asshole and that’s why he decided to start sexually harassing all the women in the area?
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u/astaristorn 2d ago
I think Lively being harassed doesn’t excuse her for being a bully and she should be called out for her shitty behavior.
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u/nyet-marionetka 1d ago
I checked and the “mean girl” behavior seems to be “publicizing the movie in a way that’s too light-hearted”, which seems to be 1) not “mean girl” behavior but just bad PR sense, 2) unrelated to the sexual harassment she was being subjected to, and 3) rating about a 2 on the “how bad is this?” scale while the systematic sexual harassment perpetrated against women on set is, eh, 7. So I question the reason for even bringing it up in the first place. When someone brings up a serious concern and the response is, “oh yeah? well what about [this irrelevant topic]”, the motive seems to not be concern about the irrelevancy at all, but an attempt to distract.
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u/CaptainSchmazz 6d ago
You clearly did not read the article. She was instructed by the studio to promote the film that way and when Mr. Baldoni's PR crisis team saw how the press was trashing her for it, they agreed that he should go the opposite way, making her look bad and him look good. The scheming texts are there!
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u/Koo-Vee 6d ago
Why is this interesting?
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u/falsehood 6d ago
This site propagated and spread the lies. I saw so many threads and discussion about her, out of nowhere.
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