r/TheKilling • u/fuzzy_dunnlop • Aug 01 '14
Discussion S04E06 - "Eden" - Episode Discussion [Spoilers!]
Directed By: Jonathan Demme
This is it! The Finale! Farewell Linden & Holder. :(
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u/fizzyizzy11 Aug 01 '14
Once I realized they started to go through the intro to close it, I just lost it. It's like the end of an era.
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u/hoohoo3000 Aug 02 '14
Only this show could show us a scene where spoiler
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u/the-mp Aug 07 '14
True Detective...
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u/hoohoo3000 Aug 07 '14
Don't remember many warm fuzzy feelings during True Detective. The finale was the closest and nothing in the finale was as dark as the killing finale.
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u/the-mp Aug 07 '14
In the battle between darkness and light, the light is winning.
That's a pretty warm thought to end a VERY dark series on.
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u/hoohoo3000 Aug 08 '14
I specifically meant within one episode. Ending on a light note after a dark series isn't all that uncommon.
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u/VikingHedgehog Aug 01 '14
Well, I'm glad she turned around. She's a real train wreck, but despite his flaws Holder is awesome. He's the kinda character you just want to be happy. And he seemed glad to see her and wanted her to stick around. Glad she did. It doesn't matter if it's as friend or lover. They've got a good dynamic and a happy ending is better than a sad one.
Glad Netflix sort of tied up the deal with the season finale from 3 and managed to still have a nice ending. I also like that since she found the casing more could unfold with that story if they ever wanted it to. They did a good job with it. Production quality and all. I didn't really notice any difference in quality. Bravo.
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u/pursehook Aug 02 '14
Regarding the turning around, they really did a good job. It was suspenseful; she was looking in the car mirrors. I was thinking, please, please go back.
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u/ItsBobDoleYo Aug 04 '14
Possible Plot Hole: Kyle is playing the piano when the piano strings are cut and they don't mention the strings getting cut after he shoots himself or anything.
But that's pretty much my only grievance with this season.
Woulda preferred it not be Kyle who did it, but the piano strings are far more irksome to me than that.
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u/AnorexicManatee Aug 04 '14 edited Aug 10 '14
Yea that is the first place my mind went when he was shown playing piano. My best explanation was that he cut them in disgust after he killed Nadine and then made up the story about his sister? Although if he really didn't remember anything, he wouldn't have a reason to make up a lie about it. Crap.
Or maybe wires were cut at the time and the music was in his head. I dunno.
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u/charlesthe42nd Aug 16 '14
Watch it again - this was mentioned in another thread and I think they just lined up the show's soundtrack with the scene of him sitting there. It's definitely intentional, but he's not actually playing. He's just sitting there.
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u/__david__ Aug 21 '14
Yeah definitely. His father cut the strings much earlier—Kyle says in an earlier episode that his father required silence in the house and didn't like his piano playing.
After killing his parents and sister he's sitting alone on the piano bench and just imagining. The soundtrack is intentionally reverb-y, like the piano is in a subway tunnel, indicating that it's in his head. Plus you can tell that his arms aren't moving.
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Aug 04 '14
I thought there were a few issues, the piano being the most glaring but also:
- Linden happening to have a charger that worked with Skinner's phone (and Reddick not trying to GPS or cell-phone tower track the phone right off the bat);
- Kyle telling Linden he was shooting until the screaming stopped, but then had forgotten his little sister is in the house;
- The probability that Skinner's wife and daughter would allow the investigation to be dropped knowing that someone was texting from Skinner's phone after his alleged "suicide" and that Linden happened to be seen spotted at the lake house tossing something (later discovered to be his cell phone) into the lake;
- The police trying to cover-up Skinner's identity as The Pied Piper, even though how many bodies linked to the Pied Piper were found buried on his property?
I love the acting, the cinematography and the music, but honest to god, Veena Sud is the absolute worst show runner of any prestige drama series.
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u/BillFireCrotchWalton Aug 01 '14
I was so fucking scared at the end there; I thought they might kiss and completely ruin the entire season in one fell swoop.
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u/ahaironmytounge Aug 02 '14
They actually did film a kiss, it's nice how they left it open for us to decide. The fans are split about Holder and Linden's relationship.
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u/bacon_pants Aug 03 '14
As much as I usually hate those open-ended 'let the fans decide' endings, I really liked this. I would have been okay with them kissing, but it wasn't necessary. The character of their relationship that's grown over these four seasons is not overtly sexual, but fiercely loyal.
They love each other and understand each other like no one else does, which is why I really liked what Linden said about how 'us' was home to her. Driving around and smoking cigarettes with Holder made her feel like she was where she belonged, and she finally realized it when it was gone. She doesn't need to run anymore.
If there had been a lot of sexual tension between them throughout the series, they probably would have resolved it with a kiss, but it has more been about how much they have come to love and trust each other, and I think the ending made it clear that they both have accepted what they mean to each other. It felt real.
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u/pursehook Aug 03 '14
Agree. And, I also think we got the hug instead of the kiss. During the hug, you see Holder's face and if you choose to (I did) you see that he loves her. Plus, what he said. He put himself out there for sure. I wouldn't have minded if they kissed at the end, but it so cliche. I think it was perfect that they left it with Linden smiling then went to black. Linden smiling was a rare sight during the series.
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u/timidwildone Aug 04 '14
Yes, that hug was monumental in its own right. Linden is not the touchy-feely type, and Holder always respected her space. It was a huge moment when he finally grabbed her and held her, the years of hurt from their broken friendship finally falling off his shoulders. You could see his relief, and hers, as well. Both actors were incredible in this scene, but I think Kinnaman did so much with so few words there. What really broke my heart was the look of desperation on his face when she walked away. He wanted to do SOMETHING to make her stay, but he respected her enough to know it had to be her decision.
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u/rewriting_robyn Sep 18 '14 edited Sep 18 '14
I totally agree! I didn't even realize I wanted the two of them together until that very moment she walked away & all of a sudden my heart was aching! Linden has always been a private person so it's fitting that they didn't show THE kiss but I was satisfied with the ending.
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u/thirdchapter Aug 04 '14 edited Aug 04 '14
he so put himself out there. and, like, directly after he pretty much declared his love for her (keep in mind that they worked together for only a few months and that they hadn't seen each other in years), when she recoiled instinctively and said something about getting a parking ticket or whatever and he stopped her, she had this look like she was waiting for him to just say some specific words, words he never said. and then she drove around and processed it all and ended up rolling to the rosie larsen field and affirmed it herself, like she made this decision (to stop searching, to live with her past and reconcile it as best she can, whatever) that holder was too wise to demand of her. just really brilliant, totally finished the series off perfectly.
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u/pursehook Aug 04 '14
I would just add the part where she wouldn't close her eyes. Closing her eyes would mean being open, being vulnerable, trusting Holder's lead, and more than likely that he would have kissed her.
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u/thirdchapter Aug 05 '14
no question he intended to kiss her, and she knew it.
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u/pursehook Aug 08 '14
Totally! Or, made some other even more erotic move, than a kiss. Kiss at a minimum. Glad that you and I were here to definitively decide this for the audience :)
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u/pursehook Aug 02 '14
I want them together. Who is split? :) But, it would only really seem possible with them not working together, and also probably not as homicide detectives. Poor Linden with all her issues anyway and then the Skinner thing. Her former partner and lover being a serial killer. It would be a lot to work through to try at another real relationship.
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u/Hunterzyph Aug 04 '14
I think she has a lot going for her in succeeding where she has failed before in relationships. Her son is all grown up, she's left a highly self-destructive career, reconciled at least the bulk of her abandonment issues in meeting with her mother and going so far as to ask her to take care of her son if something happened.
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u/eustace_chapuys Aug 10 '14
They didn't. Sud said in an interview they never filmed a kiss, but that the actors improvised a kiss and it wasn't filmed.
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u/TheBlackSpank Aug 01 '14
I was thinking the same thing, and I'm left a bit confused as to why she came back. Is she actually interested in Holder romantically, or is she deciding to stay in town because he's her only friend and she doesn't want to lose that?
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u/VikingHedgehog Aug 01 '14
I think the beauty of that ending is that you can decide. I'd say she did what Holder told her to and realized there was life all around and it wasn't a city of the dead. She realized what was important to her and had been standing in front of her all along. Best friend or lover, doesn't really matter either way. They have their ups and downs, but they care about each other and want to be there for each other. That's all that matters in the end.
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u/pursehook Aug 02 '14
This. I agree. Holder was always interested in her. In my mind, they will try it romantically. That's what Holder was saying - just try it. She came back because she is going to try.
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u/timidwildone Aug 04 '14
Yep, that's my take, as well. I think she finally awakened to how much he cared about her.
Something I really enjoyed about Holder's character is that you could tell he cared so much for Linden, and how much he valued her trust. They never showed him pining after her, only that he was intensely protective of her, with no expectation of praise or gratitude. He knew that her friendship was something hard-earned, and he certainly saw that friendship as a touchstone in his life. It made sense to me that he loved her deeply, but would never put that friendship at risk by saying as much. "You're my BFF" wasn't some empty declaration to him.
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u/pursehook Aug 04 '14 edited Aug 04 '14
Just to throw more gushing on our gushing... I think we see it the same way. I was reflecting further on it, and more came to mind. Holder told Caroline that he had to pick between her (meaning Linden) and him. Caroline asks "Sarah?" Holder says, yes.
So, Holder was framing it that way in his own mind - Linden or me (and, by extension Caroline and the baby). It is easy to argue that he could have reframed things - did he go to church again and yell at god? I can't remember the sequence. But, let's assume for argument's sake that he is framing it in this black-or-white, him-or-Linden way. He picks Linden. It is a big deal and the point gets hammered home a few more times later, notably by Reddick.
Linden, of course, tries to absolve Holder in her confession, but that wasn't a comparable sacrifice.
I also quite liked at the very beginning when H and L are talking about the Skinner thing. L is telling H that he didn't have to stay, that she said to leave. He quietly and simply says that he did have to stay. And, then they (H and L and the writers) just leave it there. That was very nice.
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u/rewriting_robyn Sep 18 '14
It was more than him being just her friend, he was 'home' to her, and that's so much more.
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u/ghostchamber Aug 03 '14
Yeah, I'm glad they left it ambiguous.
Although I'm not sure how I feel about her going back. I think I kind of wish it ended with her looking out to city.
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Aug 02 '14
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u/fuzzy_dunnlop Aug 02 '14
She found her eden
ahh I see, that makes the ep title that much better.
To be honest the ending of the case kind of disappointed me, but only because I kinda was expecting it.
I thought this too and had the same feeling for S3 but that's sort of how real life is though. The killer is always the closest/most obvious person and is rarely some big out of the blue twist like most TV makes it out to be. In that sense I kind of like it although a crazy twist wouldn't have hurt lol.
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u/ghostchamber Aug 03 '14
I wasn't too disappointed with how that case ended up, because they weren't really leaving much to work with. There weren't a whole lot of variables--you know that at least one of those three was directly involved, so even though it ended up being Kyle egged on, they were all involved in one way or another.
I think the touching part is Linden convincing Kyle to just tell her exactly what he did. That part with Nadine was particularly hard to watch.
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u/Katakimiku Aug 01 '14
What a perfect finale! I'm sad to let Linden and Holder go but at least I feel like those characters are in a much better place at the end of the show compared to where they started it and have a shot at a good life. (Yes, I'm a weirdo who likes to imagine what might happen to the characters after the end of the shows as if they were real. Sue me).
It really doesn't matter if they'll be together romantically or just as friends. Only Holder can see understand Linden for who she really is and vice versa. And finally they both understand it. Isn't it beautiful?
The way they tied the knots from the previous seasons was spectacular. The Bullet throwback absolutely devastated me. And I couldn't help but notice how especially amazing the shots of the scenery were in this episode. Nice touch with recreating the title card and some moments from the opening credits, by the way.
Kudos to Veena Sud and the co! I'm so glad they got to properly fiinish this show. It deserved it. Farewell!
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u/SnatchThief Aug 03 '14
I noticed it was directed by Jonathan Demme, who also directed Silence of the Lambs and Philadelphia, among others. Pretty amazing - I assume he must be a fan of the show to want to direct it.
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u/timidwildone Aug 04 '14
He previously directed what I consider to be among the show's finest episodes: Reckoning. That was the episode where Bullet was found dead.
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u/bacon_pants Aug 03 '14
God, didn't that just tear open the Bullet-shaped hole in your heart, just when it was beginning to heal? I'm also really glad this show got a proper ending.I actually thought it was cancelled after season 3, and I only became aware of this season yesterday. The characters were just too good to leave them adrift with an abrupt cancellation.
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u/Katakimiku Aug 04 '14
It did, but on the other hand, I'm glad that Holder got to say his goodbye and that her body found its resting place not in this godforsaken lake.
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u/bacon_pants Aug 04 '14
I loved Bullet's character for so many reasons. She was dynamic and brave and funny and charismatic. The actress did a phenomenal job giving her depth, and I hope to see her in other roles. I also loved the way she brought out a paternal side in Holder. Even though he'll probably never forgive himself for failing her, she brought out a selflessness and protectiveness in him that surely helped him become a good dad.
I also liked that she was a complex character who also happened to be gay, and she felt like a real person. Her sexuality was part of her story, but it wasn't the focal point of her character.
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u/__david__ Aug 21 '14
The actress did a phenomenal job giving her depth, and I hope to see her in other roles.
She has a recurring role on Arrow. Kind of the same character as in the Killing.
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u/eustace_chapuys Aug 10 '14
Yeah the cinematography in the show has always been top notch, but this episode was next level. That shot where Linden is looking at the mirror especially. It was the perfect ending to the show, congratulations to all the team on a job well done.
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u/fizzyizzy11 Aug 01 '14
Linden and Holder meet for us one last time. soft, beautiful music
Cut to black. dark, suspenseful theme
Hold her tight, Holder.
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Aug 02 '14
Damn. It's finally over. A good ending. Thanks to Netflix for giving us the finale to one of my personal favorite detective duos.
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Aug 02 '14
so is holder divorced. Sounded like he told his daughter he would pick her up at her moms. Sounds like they dont live together.
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u/pursehook Aug 02 '14
Did they ever get married? If so, I didn't catch that. But, yes, they are not together. It always seemed like kind of a long shot that those two would make it as a couple.
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u/ahaironmytounge Aug 02 '14
Or they never got married. I could see Holder confessing that he used again and I'm sure that would be a major break in the relationship.
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u/cakezilla Aug 03 '14
I figured that they just never married, based on their conversation before the sonogram, when they find out the baby is a girl. Holder saying he would never be a good Dad because of what he had done/who he is. It could have been due to a confession about using, but I doubt that would have caused Caroline to leave him and not raise their child together.
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u/amperx11 Aug 03 '14
I'm not the only one crying, right??
I loved the relationship between Holder/Linden. It was so perfect. I'm really glad they found each other in the end and even more glad they didn't kiss. That would be too weird. I'm going to miss this show!!
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u/irocktoo Aug 01 '14
really great ending for a wonderful tv show.
its been a pleasure chatting with you all.
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u/iAmSamusAran Jan 31 '22
I know this is 7.5 years late but I just finished this series and that was one of the best endings to a show I’ve ever seen. I’m a 30 year old man bawling my eyes out right now.
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u/AmbreGaelle May 29 '22
Just finished it today and I LOVED it.
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u/Irving_Forbush Jul 04 '22
The closing credits just rolled. S1E1 to series finale, fade to black, one of the very best series I’ve ever seen.
So much depth, phenomenal acting, stellar production values.
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u/FeelingExpert2568 Apr 07 '23
I just finished it too, althuough I would have liked a kiss, it was a perfect ending. Glad to see other people are still watching too
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u/h3RockeT Feb 03 '22
Haha I just finished tonight I loved the final scene. 27 yo man myself. Been checking these episode discussions throughout my watch of the show and yea every comment is from 7-10 yrs ago
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u/iAmSamusAran Feb 03 '22
Glad I’m not the only one! Such a good ending. I was really happy she went back to Holder in that final scene.
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u/Miroxion Feb 10 '22
lol guys, I just finished it like half an hour ago. 25yo xD Series actually dont feel that old, it was great one! 10/10
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u/notCRAZYenough Jul 24 '22
Just finished watching and also reading comments now. Another half year in the future.
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u/Intelligent-Quote-83 Nov 18 '24
Just finished the show tonight and GAAWWDDD 😭 my favorite shows are X-Files and Homeland. I’ve never found a show that sucks me in quite like Homeland… until now. I think the dynamic between Holder and Linden’s characters really was something you don’t often find. The amount of nonverbal communication between the two of them that you’re let into… and all the things that aren’t actually spoken but leave you wondering. It really was the perfect ending. They are both home.
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u/iAmSamusAran Nov 18 '24
Gosh the ending just hit perfectly. One of my favorites of any show still to this day.
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Aug 01 '14
and now I'm sad. This was one of the only detective shows that wasn't a weekly-who-dun-it.
But, Linden found the bullet casing at the end, maybe she will try to let the public know and we get another season? :(
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u/hdlsa Aug 03 '14
I think the point of finding the second bullet casing was not to imply that she is still interested in telling everyone, but that she was wrong about Holder stealing it.
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u/VikingHedgehog Aug 01 '14
If you haven't seen it yet, you might like Broadchurch. It's just solving one case and focuses on the impact on the families and community. It's a British show with some really great actors in it. Just one season so far. They are remaking it for the US, calling it Gracepoint. It should show next year sometime. Same lead actor.
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u/funnyfaceking Aug 02 '14 edited Aug 02 '14
Gracepoint is going to suck something awful.
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u/VikingHedgehog Aug 02 '14
Yeah, after I said that I watched a preview. It looks bad. Broadchurch was great though. Americans need to learn to leave well enough alone.
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u/SpaceCatNZ Aug 03 '14
Yeah, I really don't understand why they are re-making it... with the SAME actor. Why can't the US just play the British version and leave it at that? I'm truly baffled. Walk in the park for David Tennant though, I guess..?
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u/VikingHedgehog Aug 03 '14
Doesn't sound like it. It sounds like that American accent was tough for him. It's not terrible, but it's not right all the time either. Could have been easy for him, but sounds like he might have had a challenge.
I really don't understand why they remade it. The British version was truly good all around. It's not like with the Killing where the original was in a foreign language or anything. English is English, even if the accents are different. I see no reason why America would have even thought to remake it. Oh well. I'll still give it a go because I love Tennant.
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u/SpaceCatNZ Aug 03 '14
Yup, same haha, but I will still be baffled! And I agree, I can understand them re-making foreign shows where the cast are actually speaking another language, but re-making British shows I just do not understand. Anytime I watched the US version of The Office, I just imagined it was a totally different show... it helped.
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u/pursehook Aug 04 '14
The accent is apparently challenging. I hate it when the actor is doing "American" but mixing all kinds of different American regional accents such as Boston and So. Cal. I can't take it.
You've got to hand it to actors who nail it. For example, Hugh Laurie as Dr. House and Dominick West as McNulty in The Wire.
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u/ghostchamber Aug 03 '14
Yeah, I really don't understand why they are re-making it.
Money. Why else?
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u/pursehook Aug 04 '14
I watch quite a lot of British tv. It is like an iron rule that the redone American version is always worse. I can easily think of 5 or 10 examples. Is there an exception? Was the Office the exception? I never really watched either version.
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u/Pascalwb Aug 02 '14
I liked Broadchurch, True Detective, The Bridge, but they are not as good as The Killing.
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u/bigspeen3436 Aug 06 '14
I'm sorry, but as much as I love The Killing, it's not even in the same realm as True Detective.
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u/SawRub Aug 10 '14
True Detective is the only show that has ever gone to instant Breaking Bad-level respect within a single season.
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u/i_never_comment_2014 Aug 10 '14
Truth. It's a show that has spoiled others for me, because now I keep comparing them to TD.
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u/Hunterzyph Aug 02 '14
I was thinking about a feature length film right up until they jumped forward, then I knew they were going to give us a final kind of closure.
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Aug 03 '14
i was super pleased with the ending. like, in so many ways, this last season was the best.
i started watching this because it was filmed in Vancouver and someone told me it was like "davinci's inquest" in style and sophistication. but what kept me wasn't the goofy red herrings or improbable turns, rather it was the linden/holder dynamic. just mesmerizing. so even though they worked together for fewer than 3-4 months in total, I still just found it so believable that they reconnect like ~5 years later and just pick it right back up.
like think about it- linden probably shit-canned holder's career too. he's spent a lot of time getting himself together with less distance to travel, so to speak. and like she just shows up out of the blue and he's like "yeah, stay (with me)." like, she can lean on him, whatever. really doesn't matter if they're romantically involved, though I imagine it's inevitable despite the age gap.
just a great way to really focus on what mattered in the show.
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u/bigspeen3436 Aug 06 '14
As soon as I saw Jonathan Demme in the opening credits (director of Silence of the Lambs, Stop Making Sense, etc...), I knew this would be fantastic. So many of the shots in the second half were great. The mirror scene in the box, the long aerial shot as Linden drives off from her house, the title card reshoot, etc...
I'm glad they didn't over-mush the ending with a kiss. That would have made it way more cheesy IMO. I think it was the best ending for the show. It just made sense given the feeling of the series. It wasn't an unrealistic happy ending or par for the course depressing (Breaking Bad, which was perfect for that show IMO, but I'm glad they didn't do that with The Killing). It reminded me of the True Detective S1 finale in a sense that you have a feeling of conclusion but there are still ways for the audience to come up with their own idea as to what happens next for the main characters.
One of my favorite scenes that I haven't noticed being mentioned, is when Reddick tells Linden he always thought it would be Holder that cracks. The shocked look on her face when she finds out Holder never actually ratted her out was great. I liked the foreshadowing of that scene when Reddick talks about "that moment" an episode or two prior and Linden laughs it off like he's full of shit.
The only thing that bothered me a little bit was completely writing off Caroline during the time jump. It just seemed like a cheap way to get to the intended ending. I get that she wasn't a huge character or that her and Holder's relationship didn't seem to be going down a mutually agreeable path, but I would have liked a bit more closure between those two instead of finding out they're no longer together when Holder tells his daughter he'll pick her up from her mom's later.
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u/iamaryan28 Feb 21 '24
This is 9 year late but still.... I finished the show three days back . Since then I've been watching the last 5 min of last episode again and again with the same smile on my face . Watching Linden and holder one last time holder asking her to stay . When she is driving off she looks in the mirror.... Their expressions ... Linden telling him that he is home .... And when she came back it was heartwarming... It's sad to say goodbye... They did good not showing them kissing....they both had flaws but together they were perfect! When I was done watching it .... It felt like I have lost something..... It was perfect ending . ( Sorry for the mistake. English isn't my first language)
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u/Pascalwb Aug 02 '14 edited Aug 02 '14
Shiiit. I'm sad like hell. Best detective series. It was short but good. I didn't guess the killer, i guess right few things. It was good season, nice ending. And last scene, I didn't want them to kiss, they should stay friends, and Holder should have stayed with his wife. I was still hoping for possible next season but no :(.
Shit and that scene with that little girl, shit.
Really underrated show. True Detective is so hyped, it's good drama, but not much detective series.
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u/bigspeen3436 Aug 06 '14
I can see your point now regarding True Detective, but for the best detective series, it's The Wire. Fact.
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u/Pascalwb Aug 06 '14
But The wire wasn't really detective show was it? We knew who did it.
True Detective was great, music, actors, camera etc. But I didn't really like the story behind it. There wasn't much investigation.
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u/bigspeen3436 Aug 06 '14
I'm not really sure what you mean by detective series then. True Detective was very much a detective show if what you mean by detective show is one where you are trying to find a killer. The wire focused more on the two sides, the cops and the bad guys, for the most part. It felt like an incredibly authentic look at the lives of everyone involved, but mainly the police.
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u/ElenaDisgusting Aug 01 '14
Extremely sad its over but damn it was amazing! I feel like they tied everything up beautifully, leaving enough to make another season if they want but nothing so big that I'm upset they over looked anything.
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u/ahaironmytounge Aug 02 '14
As much as I would love another season I don't think it's possible. Neither one are Detectives now.
I'm glad that Linden always wore those huge sweaters and long coat, it really hid that Mireille Enos was pregnant. Funny that she was pregnant during the first season as well. I am really going to miss this show and the characters.
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u/Pascalwb Aug 02 '14
But if I think about it they could. Linden comes back to Holder in the last scene and they go back to being detectives and smoking in the car.
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u/down_by_the_water Aug 08 '14
please explain how the colonel was kyle's mom. did he ever know? was he phillip's son? there must have been people outside of phillip, linda, and the colonel who knew if linda was never pregnant with kyle, right?
how i imagine it right now: the colonel and phillip had an affair; she got preggers'; phillip convinced linda to adopt a random child; that "random" child was kyle. this may explain why both kyle's parents treated him differently.
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u/avidiax Aug 12 '14
What they don't explain is why all the cadets have a picture of Stansbury & Stansbury's mom (and I don't believe that she'd give them out for sexual favors); or why AJ and the other cadet would want to push Kyle further when they were surprised/shocked at what he's capable of.
They also didn't tell us why AJ and Knopf pushed Kyle to kill his mother; Rayne obviously has a motive to try to break up the marriage, but using her son as the 'tool' goes against this motive.
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u/d3cmp Aug 16 '24
A superb series and very underrated, this is one of the few series that doesnt get worse with every season it gets even better, very rarely i've seen cinematography on this level in a series, the scene in which Linden discovers the bodies, when they lift the car, when they discover bullet, the final scene, its full of memorable scenes.
Its a shame this subreddit died and posts are restricted, with some publicity this series could be reborn and take their rightful place by true detective season 1,etc
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u/TiiUU Oct 18 '24
I just finished the series. I thought the way they did it between Holder and Linden was perfect.
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u/damnBcanilive Aug 02 '14
Why was the mayor in a wheel chair? Did I miss something?
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u/fuzzy_dunnlop Aug 02 '14
Yeah sounds like you missed the end of season 1 and all of season 2...
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u/damnBcanilive Aug 02 '14
I for sure watched them. I just don't remember him being in a wheel chair. I guess I need to rewatch them.
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u/FourCylinder Aug 02 '14
He literally was in a wheelchair all season 2.
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u/damnBcanilive Aug 02 '14
Yeah wow. I don't remember that at all. My girlfriend and I were tripping out wondering what happened. Then he said Linden put him in the wheel chair and I was even more confused.
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u/bacon_pants Aug 03 '14
During the Larsen case, Linden's investigation implicated Richmond and caused him to be arrested, and Belko shot him trying to avenge Rosie. The gunshot crippled him, and he clearly blames Linden for the chain of events that led to it.
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Aug 04 '14
His struggle with losing his legs was like one of the main story lines in season 2. how could you forget that?
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u/cormega Aug 04 '14
I almost don't see how it's possible you missed that. Did you not watch the full season 2?
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u/damnBcanilive Aug 04 '14
I watched it. But season 2 is the only season I haven't rewatched. I guess it's just blocked from my memory for whatever reason.
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u/madeInNY Aug 03 '14
The show as a whole was more disappointing than anything. But it had a surprisingly satisfying ending. It doesn't make up for all the bad stuff. But it does elevate the show into the category of "doesn't suck."
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u/ahaironmytounge Aug 01 '14 edited Aug 02 '14
So that's it...it's over. When Richmond Wheeled in, I had to cover my mouth so I wouldn't shout.
I wonder if Linden knew that Holder was behind the mirror...or if she was just looking at her own reflection.
That guy that played Kyle was amazing! I was in tear during some of his parts. Even the ending, you still felt for the kid.