r/TheKilling • u/fuzzy_dunnlop • Jul 14 '13
Discussion S3E8 - Try
The investigation reaches a fever pitch when Sarah goes missing. Bullet makes a choice to save Lyric and learns a dark secret.
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u/Rudacris Jul 15 '13 edited Jul 15 '13
Francis almost seems too obvious, but I don't see how he's not involved.
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u/the_pissed_off_goose Jul 15 '13
i really liked the moment when ray was having his panic attack and francis calmed him down. i can't figure out why francis did that though...does he actually feel bad for ray? or is it that he's the real killer and so he knows ray's truly innocent?
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u/jmose86 Jul 15 '13
This scene took me by surprise as well. I guess we'll have to wait for a few more revelations to understand if it was a sinister or personal reason. Even Henderson looked taken-aback by Becker's reaction in that moment.
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u/the_pissed_off_goose Jul 15 '13
it was just a weird moment, considering a few episodes ago he was reading the hanging procedure to him.
oh and speaking of Henderson, there's no way he's having an affair with Francis' wife. and he's definitely not the killer.
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u/thylacine_pouch Jul 16 '13
Well, Francis is a dick, but he's also a pro. He doesn't care for Ray, but Ray having a serious panic attack, Francis having to call EMTs, all that craziness is just going to be a pain in the ass. There's a lot of pressure around this execution to going off without a big hitch. He correctly judged that some tough love would calm Ray down; everyone wins.
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u/the_pissed_off_goose Jul 16 '13
hmm, good point. he's probably already in enough trouble because of the one dude hanging himself, no need to draw more attention to the unit.
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u/kpkpkpk Jul 15 '13
Yeah, I do feel cheated by the pastor being a major red herring, but it did make for some good drama the last two episodes. The first 30 minutes this week was difficult for me to watch, in a suspenseful way, I was definitely interested.
It seemed like so many narratives in the season had totally come unglued in this episode:
- holder and bullets relationship is severed in a 15 second scene
- seward finally has an emotional breakdown over dying
- francis appears to have some sort of compassion with helping seward through his panic attack
- lyric crushes bullet in another 15 second scene
So that did make it hard to feel like I haven't wasted 8 episodes on this show.
As a side note, I loved when the good PO did the good guy thing and didn't talk to Francis' wife. But I did get a totally fake vibe from her... like it was a trap? Maybe she's just a bad actress. I still think good PO will tip someone off, setting the wheels in motion, and Francis is seriously involved, if not being the actual killer.
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u/the_pissed_off_goose Jul 15 '13
can i just say, fuck Lyric
she and Twitch deserve each others sorry asses
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u/Rudacris Jul 15 '13
I think the compassion by Francis is a dead tip off as well. He clearly wants to see him hang, not die in prison, knowing that he set him up.
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u/zeppelin1023 Jul 15 '13
Off topic, while watching the ninja turtles movie with my nephews i realized something. Skinner is Casey Jones! That made me happy for some reason
Overall tonight was a pretty solid episode. This first half of the episode with the radio was Intense as hell. 2nd half dipped down a tiny bit for me but overall i liked it a lot. Did anyone else's stomach kinda drop during the Confrontation with Holder and Bullet?
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u/dugiepro08 Jul 16 '13
I don't know if it was in 7 or 8, but when Skinner looks at Holder and asks him what he's wearing- priceless
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u/pursehook Jul 15 '13
Final scene - your thoughts? Holder comes busting in. You can still knock or shout out if the keys are in the door. It seemed rather intimate. Are we supposed to be wanting to see them together? Also, totally separate question, can anyone see Linden and the boss guy together? We don't know much about him, but it feels like a stretch even though they've told us that it happened.
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u/Somuchbeautyindirt Jul 15 '13
It is weird. I know I shouldn't want them together. But. I do. Maybe just a one night thing.
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u/pursehook Jul 15 '13
Thank you. Me, too. But, not just one night. I don't think it would be like that.
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u/fuzzy_dunnlop Jul 15 '13
People talk like we're supposed to want to see them together but I sure as hell don't. It just wouldn't be right.
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u/pursehook Jul 15 '13
Who talks like that? Not just me, I'm one person. And I was just asking. I'm conflicted.
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u/fuzzy_dunnlop Jul 15 '13
I've seen it in past discussion threads I think. Reddit sucks at romance and social cues so I guess I shouldn't expect them to know what's going on lol.
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u/kpkpkpk Jul 15 '13
I'm conflicted. I liked the part in this episode where he knew her personal history well enough to know where she was with the pastor but then when they have that more intimate scene in her house it's like 'ew'!!!!
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u/rapier999 Jul 18 '13
Holder was the one she was talking about, rather than it being something exclusively from her personal history. It was a scene from early season 2, I think, where he's stuffed up the investigation and was wandering around in the middle of the bridge like a loon.
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u/fuzzy_dunnlop Jul 15 '13
Is this whole episode going to take place on a police radio?
And what did the cop laugh at that made holder mad?
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u/saysthings Jul 15 '13
I think he was making a bet to another officer that Linden would start crying.
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u/ChuckFH Jul 17 '13
I quite liked the radio thing as a dramatic device, allowing us to connect two physically separate groups of charcters.
What ruined it for me was how we started hearing the incoming transmission on Holder's VHF walkie-talkie, but then all of a sudden, someone in the police station has whipped out a vintage Kenwood TS-830 Ham radio, which appears to be tuned right slap-bang in the middle of the 20m amateur band!
Sorry for the rant, but I've got an amateur licence!
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Jul 15 '13
With only 4 episodes left and no new characters introduced, I'm assuming Francis is the killer. From the previews it looks like they'll exhaust one more red herring though.
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u/wandahickey Jul 15 '13
So, another red herring with the pastor. From the lack of comments on this thread I guess eveyone has given up on the show.
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u/the_pissed_off_goose Jul 15 '13
From the lack of comments on this thread I guess eveyone has given up on the show
or it's only 3 hours after the original airing and some of us don't have cable. calm yourself
why the fuck didn't bullet leave a message, christ.
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u/macdoogles Jul 15 '13 edited Jul 15 '13
Yeah I was pretty unimpressed with this episode. I saw the first two seasons on netflix and I think I preferred viewing it that way as opposed to having weeks at a time wasted on complete red herrings. It seemed pretty obvious that we weren't going to get much out of the pastor but we lost pretty much a whole two episodes on it. And where the hell is Joe Mills? Hasn't he been the prime suspect for a few weeks now and yet we've not heard anything about him?
And then finally, if Bullet knows who did it, why the fuck didn't she leave the name on the Holder's voicemail instead of waiting for him to call back and get abducted in the meantime?
Edit: Couldn't resist creating a meme about this last question.
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u/pursehook Jul 15 '13
Re. Bullet, you are being a little harsh. She's a lonely kid who just disappointed Holder, an authority figure. Obviously, she wants to make it up to him. But also might just be naive and not know the urgency of naming the killer, or she thinks an explanation is required. And, of course, it adds to the suspense. It's annoying as a viewer, but it's not crazy implausible.
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u/Veranique Jul 15 '13
Agreed. I really dont think it's that implausible for her to leave a voicemail saying 'Hey call me, I know who the killer is'. Holder just tore her a new one and threatened her. I'm pretty sure if Bullet just called him and went 'Hey. The killer is ____', Holder would assume she's full of shit. She just lied to him in a major way and has to get him on the phone first to explain herself. A more ominous message would pique his interest. I dont know if anyone here has been lied to about something that major, but I cant imagine you can just immediately forgive someone and trust them right afterwards.
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u/pursehook Jul 15 '13
Agree. It is definitely better to watch multiple episodes. I think Netflix brought it back though, so it makes sense that the design is less concerned about this weekly format.
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u/fuzzy_dunnlop Jul 15 '13
Lindens grandma sweater VS Holders junkie hoodie