r/SnyderCut • u/rocenante • 1d ago
Discussion This post is for people who keep arguing that there is no sensless anti-snyder hate on dc subs, btw is this the new generation that grew up behind ipad screens because no way people arent able to relate to a kid playing with a cape while growing up i kinda feel sorry for them
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u/No-stradumbass 20h ago
This is serious question because I don't understand this.
Did you really need to make a collage on Christmas, or a few days before, to point out some people didn't like a movie you liked?
To what? Defend Snyder? I don't get it.
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u/Mediocre_Fig3548 20h ago
These people are so stuck in their heads and insistent on being victims. If people don't like a director I like, I don't give a crap. I'm a huge fan of Gunn, but if someone doesn't like his work, that's fine with me (though I do get annoyed at how unwilling people on this sub are to give him a chance).
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u/No-stradumbass 20h ago
I'm here because this popped up on my feed.
I've seen other posts similar to this and I'm curious about this weird feud with people who's opinion shouldn't matter to you.
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u/gecko-chan 23h ago
I visited this original post on r/Superman and the comments you're showing don't remotely represent the actual comments it's getting.
I'm sure those comments do exist. But I scrolled sooooo far down and didn't see any mention of Snyder (nor anything negative at all) anywhere.
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u/Accomplished-Dog-584 1d ago
What’s the point of any of this? People that don’t like Snyder will never change their mind, and people that like Snyder never will either. People are allowed to say their opinion, and you’re allowed to disagree, but neither side will ever change.
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 1d ago
This is certainly a good point. The more this content gets posted here the more anti-Snyder folks drop by...
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u/JediJones77 This may be the only thing I do that matters. 1d ago
We've never been able to get rid of them. 😂
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u/HumbleSiPilot77 1d ago
I'm assuming reddit sub controls aren't like FB groups. I'm part of DCEU (Snyderverse) group with like 20K+ members and this kind of stuff doesn't even get posted this often. r/Batman only allows members to post I believe and if you are a new account you can't post like 6 weeks or so. Look into restrictive measures
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u/JediJones77 This may be the only thing I do that matters. 1d ago
It appears that Zorro, The Shadow and Mandrake the Magician were all pulp heroes who wore capes before Superman existed.
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u/Mediocre_Fig3548 1d ago
Ah yes, the multitude of modern kids pretending to be Zorro or Mandrake the magician XD
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u/DoctorBeatMaker 1d ago
Clark was born in 1980 (in the DCEU). By the late 1990’s, the Mask of Zorro was released and it was quite successful. So it’s not that far fetched.
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u/Mediocre_Fig3548 1d ago
The late 90s would put Clark in his upper teenage years. But that's fair I guess
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u/DoctorBeatMaker 1d ago
My point is that Zorro can be popular in modern times - and/or its release date can be fudged.
In the DC animated universe, the movie Bruce saw in theaters the night of his parents’ murder was the Mark of Zorro, even though that film was technically released in the 1940’s and the bulk of the DCAU takes place in the 90’s, meaning it was the 60’s/70’s when Bruce’s parents were killed.
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u/GlowintheClark 21h ago
The Mask of Zorro was the movie that Bruce Wayne begged his parents to see when they got killed, so I’m sure it was pretty big in the DC universe.
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u/Panther99299 1d ago
Hey gang... who were you pretending to be/who inspired you to run around in said cape?
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u/JediJones77 This may be the only thing I do that matters. 1d ago
I never wore a cape. I wore a hat like Indiana Jones.
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u/Tippydaug 1d ago
Yup, it's why I'm in this sub to begin with.
I'm legitimately hyped for the DCU, but it sucks that I can't also share my love for the Snyderverse anywhere else without getting dogged on for liking them.
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u/Mike29758 19h ago
The thing is Snyder already answered this question: Clark was subconsciously imitating Kryptonians (who wore capes) when he did this. Also this was a chance for Pa Kent to see Clark as Superman before he died
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u/Due_Ad2052 16h ago
if it isnt explained in the film itself then it makes no sense. Thats like saying "Oh you want to understand why Wanda is now Evil in Doctor Strange 2? Go and buy another product to fill in the lore" The project FAILS on its own two feet. Thats not hate, thats a fact.
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u/Prixster 18h ago
The specific post you're talking about has mostly positive comments. Was it necessary to scroll far down and point out the criticism?
People like you are why Snyder's fans are kinda looked down upon. You could have just enjoyed your Christmas but no, you decided to make a collage to point out some folks didn't like a movie you like. What a waste of Christmas.
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u/OpenRoadMusic 1d ago
And they come to this sub to argue with you about loving Snyder's movies. A bunch of sad haters.
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u/Kek_Kommando_88 1d ago
Bruce was mainly inspired (in-universe) by Zorro. There is absolutely no way that there were somehow NO other fictional characters whatsoever for Clark to look up to. Come on man.
Also, what's with so many people coming into a sub specifically for Snyder fans to praise and talk about Snyder's work exclusively to shit on said work and fans? Are they just coming from other subs looking to pick fights and troll for fun? Doesn't make any logical sense to me either way.
Anyway. Sometimes, overthinking make head hurty. Don't worry too much about the little things, it's a neat little scene. Superman as a kid wearing a red cape and pretending to be a superhero before becoming one. Aww. Boom. Done. Move on. Next.
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u/pbx1123 1d ago
Also, what's with so many people coming into a sub specifically for Snyder fans to praise and talk about Snyder's work exclusively to shit on said work and fans? Are they just coming from other subs looking to pick fights and troll for fun? Doesn't make any logical sense to me either way.
Thank you
Think the same
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u/Emergency-Bonus-7158 21h ago
Frankly people have way more of a problem with his annoying ass fans acting like everyone is out to get them. Let me be clear, it’s not all of them, but this post right here is what I’m talking about. Culling a bunch of random comments from a thread where I can guarantee they are not the majority, and whining as if everyone is out to get them. And this will probably get removed. Wonder why.
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u/Due_Ad2052 16h ago
so true. I once just causally posted "i wasnt keen on this scene" and his crazy fans went to town insulting me, essentially saying "your a hater if you dont like it."
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u/Tricky-Afternoon6884 1d ago
Capes were common throughout history, from military to common wear. In the 20th century capes were more common in circuses and while inspired by Zoro, Superman IS the first hero to wear a cape. So the question does make sense, who inspired Superman in this iteration to wear a cape if the person who inspires others to have worn a cape is Superman
Whether you realize or not, as kids, when we ran around with capes it was us being inspired by heroes. If the hero that inspired all other heroes doesn’t exist, then who or what was the inspiration
All that being said, it goes back time suspension of belief for a movie, if you question everything nothing will make sense
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u/Sad-Appeal976 1d ago
Why do you assume comic books don’t exist in this world?
You don’t NEED the proof of existence of superheroes to have comic books exists
Obviously
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u/Tricky-Afternoon6884 1d ago
Idk if you had read my second post on this but Im in agreement with you and I mention comics existing and saying that we have to assume it’s a generic hero that he looked up to and that’s where the suspension of belief comes in
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u/FootPrince1 1d ago
The whole point of the movie is that Clark was never forced to be a hero by his parents. In fact they actively disuaded him from being one because they feared for him. They cared more about their son than they did the rest of the world. So when Clark chooses to be a hero it is completely of his own free will.
This scene comes as a flashback when Clark tells his mother "I wish Dad could see what I've become" and Martha tells him "He did see it".
The Kents saw their child become Superman while he was still a child, they watched him choose to be a hero in that moment and throughout the rest of his life. Whether he was inspired by his kryptonian DNA (capes being from kryptonian culture), what he saw on TV or the circus or history or whatever is irrelevant. The point is Clark invented Superman, he chose to be a hero, he wasn't copying anyone else and he wasn't doing anything he was coerced into doing.
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u/Tricky-Afternoon6884 1d ago
My last point about suspension of belief ties into this
In this universe there is no Superman, Clark is the hero (as you said) but the idea of him wearing a cape as a hero would is clearly inspired by something, if there is no Superman what inspired him? That’s the question people are asking, so yes while he may have gotten it from whoever he was inspired by (which btw can’t be kryptonian culture as he didn’t know if it at the time of the flashback) the question still stands
And that’s where the suspension of belief comes bc we’re left to assume that the inspiration for Clark (in the movie) was tv or generic heroes and comics in this universe that Clark looked up to
We can’t assume that this world is so similar to ours but there aren’t any comics at all, that wouldn’t make sense given the impact comics had on society in the 40s onward (e.g. bond sales)
I’m not disagreeing with you btw, just saying that some of the people who are bringing up the question do have a valid point—many are likely just trying to find a reason to hate I’m not denying that
Another thing is, in that scene (iirc) he talks about being meant for greater things, before Martha says John “saw it.” He never actually says the word hero, just allude to it with the flashback which I always thought was a good choice
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u/National_Maximum_103 1d ago
…but those either have low upvotes are none at all and are at the bottom of the post.
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u/pbx1123 23h ago
I love this part
Like Gunn has a lot of it
The kid can play with a cape, doesn't mean he knows how exactly is a cape, heck I see kids 2-3 years old, doing that without watching Superman cartoons or comics
But anyways, the Lord Gunn "knows everything" and everything he does is "cool and new (give me a break , new) and automatically aprove by his fans now in this sub trying to ignite discussions
the pose it's his pose that he would use later on in life so he has to start from any given moment in his life posing because he felt is good period
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u/Spider_Monkey_Test 23h ago
Honestly I don’t know what’s with the MoS hate.
Ok, the Dia de Muertos scene where the guys with the skull masks touch him after saving a kid is too much, but other than that the movie had a nice take on Superman: he was inspiring, a goody-2-shoes with a love for humanity and sort of humble.
Superman was never meant to be a jokester throwing comedic one liners like Spider-Man is, nor was he meant to be a an uber-cool ladies man like Tony stark.
And let’s face is, the whole red underwear over the pants thing looks good in comics but not in live action.
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u/Zestyclose-Pick-6348 21h ago
Most of the comments don’t care or are just joking. Sorry if the post hurt your feelings
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u/SeaPossible1805 1d ago
Petition to change the name of the sub to r/SnyderCope
You made a collage of comments and posted it and you're sorry for THEM? Wild.
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u/Mediocre_Fig3548 19h ago
I keep getting posts from this sub in my feed. It may be the saddest sub I've ever seen
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u/LwSvnInJaz 1d ago
It’s not senseless? Some people truly despise Snyder over the top and edgy adaptions. We grew up on JL unlimited and told stories of hope and beauty. Not despair and hopeless. Just cause you liked it doesn’t mean everyone has too
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u/ThomasGilhooley 1d ago
This came up a few weeks ago, but Snyder seems so much for of a fit for early 90s Image adaptations.
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u/Mr-Slinky753 1d ago
Maybe not completely senseless, but it’s definitely unnecessary and uncalled for. That post was asking a simple question and people used it as an excuse to bash snyder.
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u/JediJones77 This may be the only thing I do that matters. 1d ago
I grew up on ALL of DC, where dark stories were much more common than they were over at Marvel. Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, Death of Superman, death of Jason Todd, Killing Joke, Gotham by Gaslight, Knightfall (Bane breaking Batman's back), Hal Jordan as Parallax, Aquaman losing his hand and getting a hook, etc. To pretend that dark stories are not appropriate for DC canon is severely out of touch with DC history. DC's dark movies mostly did FAR better at the box office than their attempts to do cartoony or comedic stuff, like they've been doing for 5 years in the DCEU with Shazam, Blue Beetle, Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, etc, so your opinion is far out of the norm.
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u/LwSvnInJaz 1d ago
I’m just saying the criticism from other communities makes sense. Do understand people didn’t like the happier side stories because of how much they didn’t like BvS and MoS. People were not invested in the Syderverse so they didn’t give them the benefit of the doubt for the Birds of prey. It’s makes sense why others do not like the synderverse. So desperate to put Gunns film down just to make yourselves feel superior for liking Synderverse, it’s childish. It’s awesome we got two different Superman movies.
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u/Sad-Appeal976 1d ago
Despair and hopelessness?
Watch Jor Els speech in MOS
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u/LwSvnInJaz 1d ago
I’ve seen it a dozen times just like all Snyder’s films. One speech doesn’t change the tone and direction of the films. The dark Saturated color palate and writing for BvS and JL are pretty hopeless. Snyder cut was better at this, but Synder films are all dark and dreary. Justice league and Superman are symbols of hope
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u/JediJones77 This may be the only thing I do that matters. 1d ago
Hope is a spoken theme in Snyder's movies. "It's not an 'S.' On my world it means hope." Superman's smile as he says good-bye to Lois, saying Earth is his world, knowing he is going to die when killing Doomsday, is all about him discovering hope. Batman being inspired by what Superman did is all about him rediscovering his faith in humanity. Hope is meaningless when characters just automatically have it all the time. When they sink to the depths of despair and then regain their hope and faith, that's when the theme REALLY means something. Because all of us have been in a dark place and needed to dig our way out of it to get back to who we really are.
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u/LwSvnInJaz 1d ago
Spoken theme is different from tone and direction. The world and portrayal of the characters is deeply cynical and cold feeling. I’m not arguing there’s not themes of hope exist or not. I’m talking why general audiences do not like it
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u/henadzij 21h ago edited 21h ago
Maybe you shouldn't perform in front of a wide audience? The film performed well at the box office. Clips from the film have garnered tens of millions of views, hundreds of posts on Reddit so far, 11 years after the release, we are still discussing this film as if it came out yesterday. So it's very silly to say that a wide audience doesn't like him.
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u/TehGremlinDVa 1d ago
That was the post immediately above this for me and you are ignoring that you screen shotted the bottom comments while the top comments are talking about how he's probably mimicking how his Dad looks at tractors when he's trying to fix them
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u/SwordfishNo7670 1d ago
I mean I definitely understand that criticism.. in our world if a kid wore a towel as a cape they would be pretending to be Superman. In man of steel logic sure he’s pretending to be Zorro or the shadow etc. but… why even put that in the movie? It definitely made me think about the film’s internal “logic” way too much.
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u/Original_Release_419 1d ago
I don’t get it at all. He’s just doing a heroic pose. Examining it beyond that is just over thinking it.
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u/SwordfishNo7670 16h ago
If Clark Kent took yoga classes what would the Superman pose be called? The Mighty Mouse pose?!?!?!
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u/nikgrid 1d ago
If those morons paid attention they would have noticed that there are COMICS IN THAT WORLD.
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u/FootPrince1 1d ago
They think Superman is the first person to wear a cape.
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u/Sad-Appeal976 1d ago
They think superheroes came before comic books
Which is so obviously ridiculous
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u/JediJones77 This may be the only thing I do that matters. 1d ago
Superman is the first superhero, but Batman-like heroes with no powers existed before. It's arguably a misnomer to call Batman a superhero at all. His antecedents weren't super either, like Zorro, Shadow, Phantom, etc.
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u/Super_Candidate7809 1d ago
Miserable people, they come negative on anything Snyder in a sub for Snyder
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u/Pinolillo006 1d ago
I saw tha post! and my comment was : Roman Soldiers, 3Musketeers, I think I think they wore capes in LotR, Zorro.
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u/gecko-chan 1d ago
It was clear to everyone that he was a kid pretending to be any superhero.
Maybe one that we know of. Maybe one that only exists as a comic book character in the movie. It doesn't matter at all.
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u/Sad-Appeal976 1d ago
Bc Superman is from THiS world
Complete with comic books and cartoon characters that wear capes
They look for things to hate
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u/Tbard52 1d ago
But if Superman is from this world… who is he pretending to be? Superman. You can’t exist in the (real world) when the character you’re portraying is a legitimate pop culture figure who would be that person he’s playing as. I love Snyder’s movies and work. It was a dumb scene
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u/Sad-Appeal976 1d ago
Does Superman or any super powered being exists in this world?
No?
Yet , we have comic books
Perhaps he is pretending to be any comic book character from the DCEU version of his world
Doing what kids do, playing
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u/Cursed1978 1d ago
Too many people take away the right to say anything because they feel so important. Less negative and insulting words would help people a little more.
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u/hardgour 1d ago
To be fair — I’m not sure who kid Clark is mimicking. But attacking Snyder isn’t the correct move.
It’s a plot hole tho
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u/direwolf106 1d ago
So there’s no zorro comics in that world? Every kid wants to be a superhero. And we almost always put capes on our heroes.
That’s not a plot hole. It’s just a recognition of our culture and what every young boy does.
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u/hardgour 1d ago
I guess you could be on to something. Not sure if it was Bale or Ben’s Batman that they were leaving a mask of zorro play/film when is parents were gunned down.
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u/Kek_Kommando_88 1d ago
Comic Batman was watching Mark of Zorro. Bale's Batman was watching a bat scene of an opera and Affleck's Batman was watching Excalibur. I don't know what Keaton's Batman was watching, I don't think it's ever mentioned. But comic Batman was absolutely watching Zorro. Also fun fact, his dad mentioning that they'd "throw someone like Zorro in Arkham" is what inspired the name "Zur-En-Arrh" in the modern version of Z.E.A. Batman.
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u/JediJones77 This may be the only thing I do that matters. 1d ago
Miller did the Zorro reference in Dark Knight Returns. It doesn't sound like that was in Batman's canon before that. Pop culture was not heavily self-referential in the days when Batman was created, so it would have been unusual to see Zorro mentioned. Just like I don't think they advertised a connection to The Man Who Laughs when Joker was introduced.
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u/iLLiCiT_XL 1d ago
One would assume that Clark had comic books growing up and fictional (in-world) heroes he would’ve read about. This took me 0.2 seconds to think up. It took me longer to write this than to draw this conclusion.